I got scolded/hammered earlier for my comments about BB. It never ceases to amaze me how people migrate to the Open like it's some kind of pool Mecca knowing full well that the prize money is iffy at best. You think the pro snooker players would fade this crap? Not for one second. They'd hire(because THEY actually make $) a pitbull lawyer and sue big-time. Pro pool in the U.S. is a joke.
2014 us open unpaid prize money
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I wonder if the WPA will continue to sanction it next year, makes it pretty hard with all the money issues.
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Try post on his facebook https://www.facebook.com/usopen9ballchampionships
Last time in Nov2014 when Ernestos check bounced BB let everyone on facebook know he was remedying it https://www.facebook.com/usopen9ballchampionships/posts/751485778234664
I find it miraculous that this "promoter" hasn't been awarded a Free Face Lift ...
or two, by the group of players who (unbelievably) trusted him yet again.
or two, by the group of players who (unbelievably) trusted him yet again.
You have been given a possible phone number and address. Call him up. Also send a certified letter stating the situation and let him know if the check is not honord in a timley manner then you will call the Virginia Beach, VA Police Dept and provide them with the bad check to have charges filed.
That $3,000 bad check is a felony charge. Hope it all works out for you.
That $3,000 bad check is a felony charge. Hope it all works out for you.
Yeah, where are all the Barry nut huggers after the tournament?
"Oh the money is all there."
"Stop picking on Barry, he's done a lot for the game."
"I've spoke with Barry and I believe all monies will be paid on time."
"T believe this will be the best OPEN yet."
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Johnny, it's a shame that Barry continues to pull stunts like this every year. The 2014 U.S. Open was a great tournament with a terrific field of players, most of whom got paid in a timely manner. For some reason there always seem to be a few guys that get caught up short (usually the top finishers). There is no sensible reason for Barry not paying these last few guys on time and I truly don't understand what motivates him to repeatedly damage his own reputation this way. It just doesn't make sense when he has already paid over 90% of the field in full.
I'm beginning to think all you guys are right about him and I got fooled again. Shame on me!
Jay, you are a trustworthy stand up guy. Perhaps if he put the monies into an account you only had control of then maybe that would make things go smoothly. Not sure if you want that kind of responsibility, might be more of a headache then its worth but I know the players would appreciate it. Anyone have an idea of what he roughly owes?
That's okay, I deserve it for trusting him to keep his word. I should know better by now. Just for the record my main motivation this past year was to make sure the U.S. Open was run properly for the sake of all the players, many traveling long distances to get there. I think I succeeded in making that happen. I was given assurances that there would be no problem with prize money payouts this year, just like last year when everybody was paid fairly promptly. All seemed to go well on this account also, until I began to get e-mails regarding a player who is a close friend of mine and who remained partially unpaid.
You and Lou can knock me to your heart's content if it makes you feel any better. I did what I did in the interest of our sport and I won't make excuses for being there. I lost more money that week (in the stock market) then I made by working there. :frown:
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That is exactly what happened in 2013 when Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins had control of the bank account with all the prize money in it. This year we lost such oversight and you can see the result.
Sadly I think it needs to be done every time with Barry. I know people who just should not handle money and its always a story when its time to cut it up or settle up.
Like I said earlier I did purchase a few nights of PPV for the open last year.
And to think I watched Barry rant for 5 minutes about making the open bigger and better next year through corporate sponsorship: rolleyes:. I can't imagine any sponsors wanting to get involved in this racket. I will also never purchase another PPV of this event unless the players prize money is escrowed prior to the event.
There is no reason this player nor any other player should have to go through this crap. It's even worse this player is a foreign player who would probably have to get a visa to get back into the country if they would have to resolve this though the US courts.
It's absurd to think Barry and Roberta knew nothing about this issue until now. I know posters had requested Roberta come to the forums to explain this. I would be ashamed ( Roberta ) if I came on defending this situation and informing the public it will be addressed in the near future. This situation was guaranteed it would not happen in the first place.
And to think I watched Barry rant for 5 minutes about making the open bigger and better next year through corporate sponsorship: rolleyes:. I can't imagine any sponsors wanting to get involved in this racket. I will also never purchase another PPV of this event unless the players prize money is escrowed prior to the event.
There is no reason this player nor any other player should have to go through this crap. It's even worse this player is a foreign player who would probably have to get a visa to get back into the country if they would have to resolve this though the US courts.
It's absurd to think Barry and Roberta knew nothing about this issue until now. I know posters had requested Roberta come to the forums to explain this. I would be ashamed ( Roberta ) if I came on defending this situation and informing the public it will be addressed in the near future. This situation was guaranteed it would not happen in the first place.
It didn't get misplaced, it bounced. Big difference. Johnnyt
Thank you guys for chiming in and supporting us.
Pls be noted that international players who came to the States to join the US OPEN tournament have to pay up front entry fee (which is, I believe, $750), airfare, hotel, foods, transportation, Visa fee (more than a hundred dollars) etc. Quan actually incurred a loss taking into account $3,000 supposed to be paid.
Pls be noted that international players who came to the States to join the US OPEN tournament have to pay up front entry fee (which is, I believe, $750), airfare, hotel, foods, transportation, Visa fee (more than a hundred dollars) etc. Quan actually incurred a loss taking into account $3,000 supposed to be paid.
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I have noticed the same thing. He tends to stiff foreign players as well as those who place high.
Why foreign players? Because he knows there isn't much they can do from around the world. Too hard to try to collect, too easy for Barry to avoid their contact efforts. Zero chance they show up on his doorstep, and zero chance they can take him to court. Also, the ones he stiffs often have a language barrier and also tend to be fairly isolated from the US pool community, so he doesn't have to worry much about bad publicity from them either. He doesn't have to worry about them posting on AzBilliards or Facebook and such. His misdeeds go largely unheard of.
Why the higher place finishers? Two reasons. First is simply numbers. There is less chance for bad publicity and damage if only ten higher finishing players are stiffed, as opposed to say one hundred lower finishing players, even though total money could be similar. Less people that might complain, and it doesn't look as bad if fewer are stiffed (even if money totals are the same). And most importantly, someone who is owed thousands is going to tend to not make too many waves for fear of never getting paid. They just don't want to chance it. Too much to lose. Whereas people that are owed only a few hundred bucks wouldn't think twice about raising all kinds of hell because they don't have as much to lose and if they never end up seeing a penny it is a smaller loss and worth the risk.
Not that Barry doesn't screw everyone at times, foreign or domestic, large or small prizes, because he most certainly does. But usually he is more strategic about it.
Why people continue to support Barry and have anything to do with any of his productions when this thief pulls his same stunts year after year after year is beyond me. He is a thief of the highest order whose word is meaningless. No, make that beyond meaningless. Fact is you could actually place even money bets against anything that comes out of Barry's mouth and be very rich in short order.
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There are only two good reasons for being unwilling to post a prize fund in some type of escrow that is in someone else's control. The first would be if you simply don't have the money. The second would be if you already know that you may not want to pay out the money whether you have it or not. In other words, you would refuse escrow only if you want to retain the option to stiff players.
I tried to tell you this right after you accepted the position of running this event. You chose to "take his word on it" instead, even though you as well as the rest of the world know through many years of his track record that his word is meaningless. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.
I know you say you wanted to do what was best for the players, and I agree that having you run the event was a definite plus. However, if truly looking out for the players, considering Barry's track record, you should have insisted upon and it should have been conditional upon the prize fund being in an escrow beyond Barry's control. That would have been looking out for the players.
I'm not saying you didn't have good intentions or are a horrible person or anything like, as we all make mistakes. But I also want to call a spade a spade. You dropped the ball on this one, badly. Live and learn (hopefully).
See this thread and particularly my posts 5, 8 and 13 for where this was discussed previously.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=377531
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No that is not right to say
"But I also want to call a spade a spade. You dropped the ball on this one, badly. Live and learn" (hopefully).
Jay gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and like many of us "Wanted" to believe all was going to be fine. However, Jay was the TD not financial Manager or CFO. So saying Jay dropped the ball isn't the way I would have put that. Please remember that over the past few years Jay has been a BIG part of making sure that players got paid when they were stiffed by promoters so that alone tells you that Jay is on the side of the RIGHT THING TO DO team.
I agree that Jay is one of the good guys in the industry, one of the very best. But when you know someone is a liar and a thief with a long and proven track record of such, you don't support them. And working for or with them is supporting them. It was a big mistake.
Had he insisted on an escrow for the prize funds then it would have been ok, because the great risk for thievery would have been removed. And it would have been doing a great thing for the players at the same time, so win/win all the way around. But he chose to "take Barry's word" on it contrary to what ALL evidence and common sense says you should do. It was a mistake, a big one. He already more or less owned up to it above, so not sure why you feel the need to defend what was clearly a horrible choice that he even acknowledges to a great extent.
I was not in any way trying to run Jay into the ground, and was mostly trying to say that we all collectively have to stop supporting Barry and any other thief, and we collectively have to stop "taking their word" when their track record is suspect to the say the very least, and we all collectively have to start insisting on prize funds being escrowed. Jay is still one of the best there is, and like the rest of us, he sometimes makes mistakes, even big ones. Hopefully this was a good learning moment for us all that we stop supporting these thieves in any way.