A none murdered animal cue please.

seb9 said:
Don't you guys realize that they kill animals to make these cues....

They kill elephants to make your precious ivory cues... elephants are the most peaceful animals on this planet... they are herbivores and they don't harm other species... and yet humans kill them to make cues that could be made even more beautiful with out having to kill a utopia animal like an elephant.

Does no one care about this at all?

Poor elephants...

very sad.


Anyone knows good cues that aren't made with dead elephants? can you please suggest me a few if you don't mind? Thanks.

By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone, i was just wondering if I'm the only one who cares?
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i have almost been killed 2 times by elephants in Africa, you been there?


in Asia your correct they are usually calm, in Africa they kill 100's of people a year, i have lived a fair bit of time in the bush in Zimbabwe, your very misinformed, i understand your feelings and its not your fault that the media has fed you a bunch of BS. the WWF uses these tactics to raise $$$, additionally in the 200+ years they have been doing game counts there are moe elephants in Africa than ever before, Serria Leone dosent because of war, Bushmen and their familys have to eat as well, you can feed a village on a elephant, and the oil rendered from its intestional tract is the only cooking oil they have in most cases, they leave that off the TV here in america,

Elephant meat tastes good too, and no protein goes to waste in Africa they are hunger y over there, do you wear leathr shoes, something had to die for those, and the elephant leather that is harvest is awalys sold, What is a crime is when the ivory poachers kill a bull chop out thetusks and leave the rest for the vultures to eat, also the ivory in cues has been shot many years ago as it needs to age many years before it wont split.

i'll end it there, until you have lived in Africa you'll never see the whole picture to pass judgment, perhaps like going to war for a solider.
 
cuejoey said:
I don't think it is a sport to kill them now crocks or gators free season anytime... What about elephants that die of NATURAL causes ????
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the game scouts that work for Parks (the Govt agency that runs the safari biz and anti-poaching efforts) confincates that ivory and its auctioned off to china, or more often piled in whearhouses to the ceilings to sit for ever, i have had friends see it, they wont let it be photographed, sometimes they burn it???? and they need $$$ things in Africa are a bit different than anywhere in the world. back asswards more often than not.


it is legal to import ivory into America with CITIES permits etc, i have about 500 pounds. from elephants I have shot over the years. Elephant hunting is very dangerous-client of professional hunters and PH's get killed almost every season-and there arnt alot of people doing this,


Crock hunting isnt dangerous, you lay in wait 75 -100 years away and snipe it when it comes out of the water, the danger s recovering it should you not brain shoot it correctly and have to go into crock infested waters to recover the body, the meat is ok, I have seen it done, i have no interest in shooting a crock.

the desire to hunt is a primitive drive some people have like hunger, sex, breathing, fighting for some men, or women to have kids.

Hunting is most south african countries main source of FOREX its a industry and the guys controlling it arnt gonna cut down the tree to get the last peach off the top, they do game counts and make sure there is pelany of game for many seasons to come, if a species numbers get low they take them off quota until there are enough left to hunt again, Blavk rhino's will never hunted again because they reporduce slowly, its legal to use lethal force against armed poachers who are after elephant and rhino, snare poachers are meat poachers and they get cited and released, they are hungery and want the bush meat. i could go on on this topic for hours but I made my point. i'll answer questions if there are any.
 
seb9 said:
Anyone knows good cues that aren't made with dead elephants? can you please suggest me a few if you don't mind? By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone, i was just wondering if I'm the only one who cares?
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Yes, there are quite a few cue-makers that care about this issue, for instance, the Italian cue-maker Longoni comes to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longoni

-- peer
 
Did you know that it was the game of POOL that saved the Elephants during the turn of the century. It was either a cue ball importer or a citizen of this great country for I cannot remember who it was, that put up a REWARD of $25,000. for the first company to manufacture a Cue Ball made up by a material other than ivory. To this day, we play with the balls we have on the table for one great man choose to do something to save the elephant which was being hunted for his tusks alone, to satisfy the hunger we had in the USA to play pool.

If I still have the picture I will post it tomorrow, it is a cargo ship net as large as a house full of ivory cue balls being shipped from overseas to the USA. It is a vey cool picture of early years in this country and the story behind the cargo net and cue balls made of pure ivory.
 
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too much waiting

Fatboy said:
[...]Crock hunting isnt dangerous, you lay in wait 75 -100 years away and snipe it when it comes out of the water, [...]
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Too much waiting for me. Hell, I don't know where I'll be in 75 hours. :)

Just playin' around... No offense intended... :)

I hope you actually take my reply in humor, AND as a compliment proving I read every word!
 
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oh yeah

I recently learned that some crocodiles watch you the first time, when you visit a "drinking hole", and then the second time...

And, that it is obviously not a good idea to camp near one..
 
seb9 said:
Don't you guys realize that they kill animals to make these cues....

They kill elephants to make your precious ivory cues... elephants are the most peaceful animals on this planet... they are herbivores and they don't harm other species... and yet humans kill them to make cues that could be made even more beautiful with out having to kill a utopia animal like an elephant.

Does no one care about this at all?

Poor elephants...

very sad.


Anyone knows good cues that aren't made with dead elephants? can you please suggest me a few if you don't mind? Thanks.

By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone, i was just wondering if I'm the only one who cares?
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Seb, I am in the boat with you. I won't have a cue with ivory in it and I can't figure out why people want it.
 
Fatboy said:
i have almost been killed 2 times by elephants in Africa, you been there?
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Ya, we had to wait for nearly an hour for a few to decide to move off the road we wanted to drive on, somewhere out on the Serengeti. I much prefered playing snooker at the Mount Kenya Safari Club :)

Dave
 
This cue and case contains Elephant Ivory and Elephant Ear from an Elephant that died, naturally.


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hangemhigh said:
You might want to re-read my statement.
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And like I said, you can say it died naturally all you want, there is no way to prove it.

Using the excuse that elephants are dangerous to justify using ivory in a cue is a crock too. Grizzly bears are dangerous yet they are protected in most jurisdictions in North America because they're a threatened species.
 
supergreenman said:
And like I said, you can say it died naturally all you want, there is no way to prove it.

Using the excuse that elephants are dangerous to justify using ivory in a cue is a crock too. Grizzly bears are dangerous yet they are protected in most jurisdictions in North America because they're a threatened species.
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Re-read my statement again with proper emphasis where the comma is placed.
 
I've seen videos of elephants attacking people. On the other hand, I've never seen a video of a tree attacking anybody and yet we make cues from poor innocent trees.

Oh, the horror of it all. These poor trees, home to squirrels, birds and other critters, being slaughtered simply for the selfish pleasure of pool players. I hope this doesn't give anyone nightmares.
 
Seb 9,

For you to start this thread I thank you. You are a wonderful person in my book. All the very best to you and yours. The pool world and the world in general need more like you.

All the best!!!
 
hangemhigh said:
Re-read my statement again with proper emphasis where the comma is placed.
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You'd think a nature lover would want the elephant to be dead (naturally!) before he contributed to the case... I'm appalled at the insensitivity!
 
VKJ said:
Seb 9,

For you to start this thread I thank you. You are a wonderful person in my book. All the very best to you and yours. The pool world and the world in general need more like you.

All the best!!!
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Seb 9 left AZbilliards 2 days after he started this thread (LAST YEAR). So, I doubt he even remembers he wrote it.

Anyway, I'm sure everything has been said multiple times, but I see nothing wrong with Mammoth ivory. It's plentiful, the animals are already extinct, it's been used for hundreds of years in all kinds of sculpture, it's absolutely no different from extant elephant ivory, so there should be no objection to that.

I do think it is preposterous to say that there are more elephants now than ever before. The unbelievable growth of human population and destruction of natural habitats (elephants need A LOT of space) simply makes that statement sound like some unfounded press release from the NRA.

That being said, I would place elephants rather low on my list of species to protect, if we had to make a choice on which species to save first. Elephants are notorious for destroying large tracts of land while they forage. If the natural ecosystem weren't so out of balance due to uncontrolled human overpopulation, ecosystems would survive in harmony, even with the biological needs of the elephant; but now elephant populations must be carefully managed under the current conditions.
 
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