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the scorpion

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As far as I am concerned this whole kevin trudeau and the ipt is the best thing to happen to pool is utter crap, I mean look at it this way first of all you have a man that just because he had a battle of the sexes match and won he gets an automatic spot in the final and secondly the players who participate are having to pay 1000 dollars a pop to play in the tournament for a so called "Guaranteed" payday.

This is utter S**** no pro pool player should have to pay those sorts of fees to play in tournaments granted fees have to be payed but not those sorts of prices just to play in a tournament held whether it be once a month or once a year.

Matchroom Sport in conjunction with WPA put on the better tournaments that have respect attached to them instead of some shonky (British term) publicity stunt money making monkeys like Trudeau and Seigel, and I for 1 will always support Matchroom and the WPA.

Sorry I ranted but I had to get this off my chest.
 
the scorpion said:
As far as I am concerned this whole kevin trudeau and the ipt is the best thing to happen to pool is utter crap, I mean look at it this way first of all you have a man that just because he had a battle of the sexes match and won he gets an automatic spot in the final and secondly the players who participate are having to pay 1000 dollars a pop to play in the tournament for a so called "Guaranteed" payday.

This is utter S**** no pro pool player should have to pay those sorts of fees to play in tournaments granted fees have to be payed but not those sorts of prices just to play in a tournament held whether it be once a month or once a year.

Matchroom Sport in conjunction with WPA put on the better tournaments that have respect attached to them instead of some shonky (British term) publicity stunt money making monkeys like Trudeau and Seigel, and I for 1 will always support Matchroom and the WPA.

Sorry I ranted but I had to get this off my chest.
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LOL you're a funny guy. The US Open is $500 to enter, and how much is 1st place? The UPA Championship is $400 to enter, and 1st place last year was what, $20,000? Hmmm now think about it, $1000 entry fee and 1st place pays $300,000 or more? It doesn't matter whether I mentioned WPA tournaments or not, they are roughly the same thing. An entry fee that is a few hundred dollars (not including expenses) and 1st prize is jack squat. Now tournaments come along that are double the average entry fee, but pay TEN TIMES MORE. THINK ABOUT IT, GENIUS.
 
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Huge payouts.

The reason for the exorbitant entry fees is that with payouts that high, you would have unmanageable numbers of players with a low entry fee. By making the entry fee that high you limit the field to people who feel they have a better chance. It's not like they can just charge 125 like at the reno open when first place is 350K or 500K. Hell everyone and their sister would be playing even if they had no chance.

The reason for Mike Sigel's seeding is to set the precednt of the king of the hill being seeded, because it is KOTH? duh. Like boxing you don't have an open tournament for the belt and make the reigning champ compete from the bottom.

This is all because it is the first year. That's what the LJJ MS match was about to establish a reigning champ. They had to and he chose the two people with the combination of looking the best on paper and that he would be able to get the best draw from. To establish the credibility of the IPT in the public's eye, NOT the pool community.

There are a lot of things about the setup that don't make sense to pool players, but from a marketing stand point make perfect sense.
 
what?

I really didn't understand any of this post at all.

Someone has to be the king of the hill to start out. So he took the 2 most winning of the hall of famers of both sexes. Sounds fair to me. It is just the first one. They will have to earn it from here on out anyway. So yeah I think letting the hallof famers get a big piece of the pie in the first one was an honorable thing to do. That's just me I guess.

And this thing about $1000? I will pay you $1000 if you pay me $6200 for just showing up and not winning a single match any day of the week. Hell, that takes care of their travel expenses and let's them take some home with them. What other tournament has done that?

PLUS, just think how cool it is that they can take the money that used to go to all that sanctioning stuff and give it to the players instead. Hmmm, NOW THAT SOUNDS FAIR TO ME!
 
No it's more than that.

First if you're entering the opens you're not guaranteed 6200 or anything for that matter. Second, if you enter the qualifier and end up in the top fifty you're guarnateed more than 6200. If you are on the tour and make the top 100, they're saying that you're guaranteed 100,000 or more. If you have a chance, that's worth a 1k entry fee to go for it.

The only problem I foresee, which I hope KT will fix by having other IPT tours with different games, is the same problem with the WSOP. I.E. texas hold'em is the only game you see any more. If we end up only getting to play eightball in tournaments and stuff, that will suck. I love nineball. That, golf, 14.1, and even one pocket are great games. Eightball though, Man I'd go insane if all I could play was eightball.

I think that once the fan base is there and we spread off into nineball or 14.1, we will be able to get nineball to be the texas hold'em of pool. It's a more difficult game in many respects and funner to play in my book than eightball.
 
the scorpion said:
no pro pool player should have to pay those sorts of fees to play in tournaments .
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No pro pool player has to pay those sorts of fees.....they choose to do so for the chance to win some very big bucks. It's their decision whether or not to participate....and judging from the names I see on the list...a whole lot of them consider it a pretty good deal.
Steve
 
I agree...

Jaden said:
The only problem I foresee, which I hope KT will fix by having other IPT tours with different games, is the same problem with the WSOP. I.E. texas hold'em is the only game you see any more. If we end up only getting to play eightball in tournaments and stuff, that will suck. I love nineball. That, golf, 14.1, and even one pocket are great games. Eightball though, Man I'd go insane if all I could play was eightball.

I think that once the fan base is there and we spread off into nineball or 14.1, we will be able to get nineball to be the texas hold'em of pool. It's a more difficult game in many respects and funner to play in my book than eightball.
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Man I can't agree more. The other games need to come up. eventually. I really think if people learned how one pocket, 14.1, and golf worked, it would catch on. But the rules seem to evade people and they think those are too tough. Uggg. Oh well, At least this is a starting point.
 
the scorpion said:
As far as I am concerned this whole kevin trudeau and the ipt is the best thing to happen to pool is utter crap, I mean look at it this way first of all you have a man that just because he had a battle of the sexes match and won he gets an automatic spot in the final and secondly the players who participate are having to pay 1000 dollars a pop to play in the tournament for a so called "Guaranteed" payday.

This is utter S**** no pro pool player should have to pay those sorts of fees to play in tournaments granted fees have to be payed but not those sorts of prices just to play in a tournament held whether it be once a month or once a year.

Matchroom Sport in conjunction with WPA put on the better tournaments that have respect attached to them instead of some shonky (British term) publicity stunt money making monkeys like Trudeau and Seigel, and I for 1 will always support Matchroom and the WPA.

Sorry I ranted but I had to get this off my chest.
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nothing is perfect in life..but IPT is trying...it's just too bad some people want to tear it down when at least this organization is trying and puting up ALOT of money doing it....................
 
the scorpion said:
no pro pool player should have to pay those sorts of fees to play in tournaments
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I didn't do a lot of research but here are some tidbits I found (which may or may not be representative of the whole sport, but heah, neither is the IPT):

Entry fees for poker tourneys reach $10,000.

I found this info for pro golf U.S. open qualifying: first-stage qualifying is $4,500, second-stage qualifying is $4,000 and finals is $3,500.

And this for tennis: Non dues-paying members who get into a Championship event will need to fork over $200; a World Series event, $100; and $20 for a Challenger event.

Here is a chess entry fee schedule: Entry Fee: $345 before 1/1/05; $345 from 1/1/05 through 1/30/05; $375 from 2/1/05 through 5/1/05; $400 from May 1 to noon, May 17.​

It's just a fact, people pay to get into tournaments, and if you are good enough, a sponsor pays for you anyway.

-td <-- believes $1000 is ok for a pro tournament
 
The whole squawk about this first IPT tournament is getting old already...I believe it's just to promote the tour that KT has started...the rest are being ran like a "normal" tournament, so I read somewhere else...

And it's true if you want fat paychecks from pool, then you're going to have to pony up a bigger entry fee...
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To the Scorpion:

Please read the FAQ's on the IPT site. Your information is completely wrong:

1. The King of the Hill tournament entry fee was ZERO DOLLARS.
2. The Tour Membership Fee is $1.
3. Each "regular tour event" has an entry fee of $199.
4. Each "open tour event" has an entry fee of $199 for tour members, and $1000 for non-tour members who have qualified by some means (I don't know what the qualifying criterion is, or if its open to anyone).
5. The qualifying tournament for next years 50 vacated tour spots has an entry fee of $1000.

So given the above facts, the IPT events, either taken individually or as a whole, have the best payback ratio of any tournament, and by a very large margin.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
To the Scorpion:

Please read the FAQ's on the IPT site. Your information is completely wrong:

1. The King of the Hill tournament entry fee was ZERO DOLLARS.
2. The Tour Membership Fee is $1.
3. Each "regular tour event" has an entry fee of $199.
4. Each "open tour event" has an entry fee of $199 for tour members, and $1000 for non-tour members who have qualified by some means (I don't know what the qualifying criterion is, or if its open to anyone).
5. The qualifying tournament for next years 50 vacated tour spots has an entry fee of $1000.

So given the above facts, the IPT events, either taken individually or as a whole, have the best payback ratio of any tournament, and by a very large margin.
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Add to that the worst you can do guaranteed without winning a match will be $7K for the year 2006, enough to pay for expenses. Also, in this KOH tournament, last place was guaranteed $6200.
 
The reason I saw for the $1000 entry for non-tour members was to keep out the bangers. KT is putting together a tour for the best players. As a league 7, I would definitely throw in $200 for a chance to play against the best. $1000 entry however, would keep me in the stands watching.

I think he addresses this in his Q&A on the IPT website.
 
This thread is an absolute farce. Way to flaunt your ignorance "the scorpion".
 
Linda,

If I understand you, you are saying that in each tournament even if you don't win a match you get $7000? Or is that yearly?

If it's per tournament then KT is paying the lowest 50 players at least 28 grand each just for participating. That's 1.4 million going to the weakest performers on tour. And a promise of a minimum of $100,000 each in 2007. How strong is that?

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Linda,

If I understand you, you are saying that in each tournament even if you don't win a match you get $7000? Or is that yearly?

If it's per tournament then KT is paying the lowest 50 players at least 28 grand each just for participating. That's 1.4 million going to the weakest performers on tour. And a promise of a minimum of $100,000 each in 2007. How strong is that?

John
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It is $7000 per a year. She explained it in the King of the Hill section in some other thread. One tourny is $2000 guarenteed and another is $5000 I think for the 2006 season.
 
td873 said:
I didn't do a lot of research but here are some tidbits I found (which may or may not be representative of the whole sport, but heah, neither is the IPT):

Entry fees for poker tourneys reach $10,000.

I found this info for pro golf U.S. open qualifying: first-stage qualifying is $4,500, second-stage qualifying is $4,000 and finals is $3,500.And this for tennis: Non dues-paying members who get into a Championship event will need to fork over $200; a World Series event, $100; and $20 for a Challenger event.

Here is a chess entry fee schedule: Entry Fee: $345 before 1/1/05; $345 from 1/1/05 through 1/30/05; $375 from 2/1/05 through 5/1/05; $400 from May 1 to noon, May 17.​

It's just a fact, people pay to get into tournaments, and if you are good enough, a sponsor pays for you anyway.

-td <-- believes $1000 is ok for a pro tournament
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I think you talking about Q-school stages for a PGA tour card.

The US Open Qualifying is $100.00 for the local qualifier. Anyone that has a 1.5 handicapp or better can qualify...


That being said.. I agree with your overall statement...I doubt the top players in the world will have a problem with a 1K entry fee...If you really are good enough to play, you probably either have sponsors that will front the money for you, or feel confident enough in your ability that you would not have a problem posting 1K

What I was really wondering when I looked at the players in attendance for this first real IPT event is....How many side games were going on and where?...I saw many faces and names that would post up 1K on a regular basis for some action....
 
Obviously, in purely objective terms, Mike Sigel has done nothing to warrant the enormous advantage that comes with being the king of the hill in the first IPT event...................or has he? When a business venture is put together, it is quite common for founders having names that give the business instant credibility to get something for it.

Donald Trump can lend his name to any business venture and get shares of stock even if he makes no investment in the venture. That's because his association with the venture makes it more likely to succeed, giving it instant credibility, and thereby making proudcts and/or services easier to sell.

Mike Sigel must be viewed as one of the founders of the IPT, and it's easy to argue that his favorable placement as king of the kill is KT's reward for lending his name to the IPT venture.

In short, I'm totally cool with this one-time preferential treatment, becasue of what sigel is giving to pool as one of the founders of the IPT venture.

No farce here!
 
Jaden said:
I love nineball. That, golf, 14.1, and even one pocket are great games. Eightball though, Man I'd go insane if all I could play was eightball.

I think that once the fan base is there and we spread off into nineball or 14.1, we will be able to get nineball to be the texas hold'em of pool. It's a more difficult game in many respects and funner to play in my book than eightball.
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Interestingly, I've heard quite a few of the top pros talking about how much they prefered 8-ball to 9-ball and how 9-ball as it is now played is a luck out game, moreso than 8-ball...and also that 8-ball requires a wider range of skills to be highly developed.

I must say I went from 8-ball fan, to 9-ball fan and back to 8-ball fan.

The matches have been great to watch, especially the break and runs, as many times the out becomes trickier as it progresses, which is opposite to 9-ball where it becomes almost a certaintly once a player has an open shot with 6 balls remaining.

Only a select few in this IPT event have managed decent run and out percentages. And even with those players, the outs rarely look certain until the 8-ball goes down.

Not saying you're wrong, but I think if you get a chance to watch the IPT matches, you may be pleasantly surprised at how interesting 8-ball is under these conditions.

Anyway, different strokes for different folks:D
 
Watching IPT matches?

Colin Colenso said:
Interestingly, I've heard quite a few of the top pros talking about how much they prefered 8-ball to 9-ball and how 9-ball as it is now played is a luck out game, moreso than 8-ball...and also that 8-ball requires a wider range of skills to be highly developed.

I must say I went from 8-ball fan, to 9-ball fan and back to 8-ball fan.

The matches have been great to watch, especially the break and runs, as many times the out becomes trickier as it progresses, which is opposite to 9-ball where it becomes almost a certaintly once a player has an open shot with 6 balls remaining.

Only a select few in this IPT event have managed decent run and out percentages. And even with those players, the outs rarely look certain until the 8-ball goes down.

Not saying you're wrong, but I think if you get a chance to watch the IPT matches, you may be pleasantly surprised at how interesting 8-ball is under these conditions.

Anyway, different strokes for different folks:D
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I don't give a crap about being able to watch the IPT matches, I plan on being able to PLAY in IPT matches.
 
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