Aiming System

darrenpool said:
I saw this video and curious about are there many people using this aiming system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fR6BZ5TDs

I use ghost ball aiming system. However, the video says it will present problems as you become a more advanced player. I'm trying to think how to improve my shooting. Is this aiming system worthy to learn? Anyone have the experience about learning this aiming system? I tried to find more videos on Youtube but couldn't find any. Any information appreciated. Thank you! :)
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Contact point to contact point is a very old method of aiming. Used by many of my students, they swear by it. Then again, so do the Ghost Ball aimers.

This is one of the exciting journeys a pool player takes in their life. Finding an Aiming Method that their brain will accept.

Good travels
randyg
 
336Robin said:
The straight stroke and proper stance is essential. In my way of looking at things your aiming method should ask you to get in perfect, natural alignment to the shot as well. Approaching and setting up on a shot line is a very natural thing to do. How you perceive it can be complex or simple. I like simple and easy to do.
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I took a couple years of martial arts when I was younger which helped my stance and stroke.
I forgot to mention the most important thing I had to relearn was my Pre Shot Routine.
This is where I do most of my aiming and stroke alignment.
After watching the 1st part of the Pool's Biggest Secrets Revealed 3 (Rough Edit Live for 24 Hours) video yesterday, I checked my foot alignment a couple times and I was doing it just like the video.
 
darrenpool said:
I saw this video and curious about are there many people using this aiming system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fR6BZ5TDs

I use ghost ball aiming system. However, the video says it will present problems as you become a more advanced player. I'm trying to think how to improve my shooting. Is this aiming system worthy to learn? Anyone have the experience about learning this aiming system? I tried to find more videos on Youtube but couldn't find any. Any information appreciated. Thank you! :)
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Nothing new.

http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/pdf/tucker_system.pdf

I use it sometimes for thin cuts, but I think it's harder to visualize both contact points than it is to visualize the ghost ball position, so on cuts up to or around 30º, I use primarily ghost ball.
 
Alignment Help

SilverCue said:
I took a couple years of martial arts when I was younger which helped my stance and stroke.
I forgot to mention the most important thing I had to relearn was my Pre Shot Routine.
This is where I do most of my aiming and stroke alignment.
After watching the 1st part of the Pool's Biggest Secrets Revealed 3 (Rough Edit Live for 24 Hours) video yesterday, I checked my foot alignment a couple times and I was doing it just like the video.
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SilverCue,
Alignment is a big issue. So what do you align to? I have some ways I do it in my book to a more defined target but one of the best suggestions I ever had came from a poster here. There is alignment to a target and there is personal alignment. I like what this guy said his screen name here is One Pocket John.

I was complaining to him about being left eye dominant. Even though he knew that he told me that the next time I played to line up my right eye above the cue. I was normally doing it under my nose due to my left eye vision.

I did it and the man was right, It got my right foot in place in a line under my right eye and my elbow in a straight line and Im telling you that is pretty strong. I had a hard time not hitting those straight ins.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
The bottom line is that aiming systems are used by many folks, as they don't naturally see the angle to shoot cut shots. They have not developed the right picture for their brain of what is right and what is wrong.

Thus, an aiming tool, in most cases, puts the "right" picture in the brain, and when you make the shot, the brains stores the info. Eventually, you begin to start recalling specific angles and how much of the object ball to hit.

Eventually, it becomes natural and you know where to "hit" the shot as soon as you take a look at it. Thus, the folks that hate aiming systems are usually the "naturals" who can just look at an object ball and know precisely where to hit it. Maybe they were born with this gift, maybe from trial and error after shooting the mythical "million" balls, who knows for sure.

Bottom line, whatever helps you play better, and enjoy the game even more, just do it ;)
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Hey Robert, how goes it?

One thing to keep in mind when trying to import an, 'Aiming System' into one's game.

"The ONLY piece of equipment you have TOTAL control over is the CUE TIP, (hint), this is the 'sight' like on a rifle you have in your hand to have the rest of the shaft point down that line at the target, (OB)." How you determine what the 'Correct' line of sight, is another entirely different subject!
 
BY FAR the best way to aim, and it can be learned in a matter of minutes

Ron Swanson said:
If you cannot work out how to aim after 6 months, knock yourself out and try as many aiming systems as you like.
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I recommend the same "aiming system" used by NBA basketball players and PGA golfers.....it's BY FAR the best way to aim, and it can be learned in a matter of minutes.

Then, of course it's time for an "overall playing system" like TOI or TOO. ;)

'The Game is the Teacher'

Jim-Jackson.jpg
 
mr3cushion said:


Hey Robert, how goes it?

One thing to keep in mind when trying to import an, 'Aiming System' into one's game.

"The ONLY piece of equipment you have TOTAL control over is the CUE TIP, (hint), this is the 'sight' like on a rifle you have in your hand to have the rest of the shaft point down that line at the target, (OB)." How you determine what the 'Correct' line of sight, is another entirely different subject!
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Going good Bill. But I suspect since you played at an elite level, you were more of a natural than most amateur players. But you are right, the cue is what u control, but for many amateurs they don't have the right picture in their brain of where to hit the OB, and it's thus the aiming helps them see the picture more often, and eventually it becomes automatic, hopefully, See YA, RJ
 
CJ Wiley said:
I recommend the same "aiming system" used by NBA basketball players and PGA golfers.....it's BY FAR the best way to aim, and it can be learned in a matter of minutes.

Then, of course it's time for an "overall playing system" like TOI or TOO. ;)

'The Game is the Teacher'

Jim-Jackson.jpg
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I am curious how you "think" PGA Golfers aim (I played pro golf back in the 90's). I bet it is way different than you think..
 
IMHO, the cues games and Golf are the 2 MOST difficult 'single person' sports to play!

Can someone tell me, "What is the one common denominator BOTH these sports have, that makes them so difficult!"

I'll check on replies In a couple of hours.
 
mr3cushion said:
IMHO, the cues games and Golf are the 2 MOST difficult 'single person' sports to play!

Can someone tell me, "What is the one common denominator BOTH these sports have, that makes them so difficult!"

I'll check on replies In a couple of hours.
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You're hitting a ball with an object ( club or cue ) to sink the ball to a hole.
 
darrenpool said:
I saw this video and curious about are there many people using this aiming system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fR6BZ5TDs

I use ghost ball aiming system. However, the video says it will present problems as you become a more advanced player. I'm trying to think how to improve my shooting. Is this aiming system worthy to learn? Anyone have the experience about learning this aiming system? I tried to find more videos on Youtube but couldn't find any. Any information appreciated. Thank you! :)
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I'm not sure anybody really directly addressed an important point you wrote (in bold above). If so, I apologize. The video is essentially telling you not to use the ghost ball method because it will not be good enough as you get better. This, of course, caused you concern because you use the ghost ball. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is complete BS that you will limit your ability to play at a high level with the ghost ball method. For that reason I would be suspicious of anything else the video has to say.

I can tell you without reservation that as you play long enough, you will just "know" where to aim the ball. You can train yourself for this. Just put a ball 3 or 4 diamonds away from the cue ball and at a shallow angle. You can even put hole reinforcers under the balls for repeatability. Set up the shot and hit it over and over until you can make it one after the other. You are training your brain. Make the shot harder or easier based on your ability.

Aiming is easy, getting your stroke straight is the real trick.

Good luck!
 
Allison Fisher, a world champion billiard and snooker play says it best. Viualize the aiming pont as the point on the object ball farthest from the pocket. It's then up to your stroke fundamentals to hit that point. Using english and speed control for position comes later in a player's time spent practising. Good position is pointless without making the shot....except when you're playing cueball shape for safeties. Mitch
 
mr3cushion said:
IMHO, the cues games and Golf are the 2 MOST difficult 'single person' sports to play!

Can someone tell me, "What is the one common denominator BOTH these sports have, that makes them so difficult!"

I'll check on replies In a couple of hours.
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Stationary sport where you aren't reacting to the action but pattern solving to work around obstacles while keeping perfect form and alignment to get through the ball properly and correctly in order to achieve success.
 
bwally said:
I am curious how you "think" PGA Golfers aim (I played pro golf back in the 90's). I bet it is way different than you think..
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CTE? Ghost ball? There are TOO MANY names for something SIMPLE!

There are so many threads about aiming, it is no wonder nobody can make a ball!

People make it too complicated! Just point the fvcking ball, will you?

On any given shot, to make the object ball go where you "intend" to, you only have to hit the correct spot on it.

To make the object ball go left, you have to hit it on the right with the left side of the cue ball. Since a cue ball is 2 1/4 inches wide, that means you have less than 1 1/8 inches of object ball to hit. Of that 1 1/8 inches, there is only a small "fraction" of that area that you can hit and make it travel along the intended line. The closer the pocket and the wider the angle, the greater the margin of error, even though quite small.

The spot on the cue ball to hit is the same spot as you need to hit on the object ball. That ain't hard, is it? Everybody worries about English when they hit the inside of the cue ball. The first thing you need to learn is to QUIT worrying about is English. Just SHOOT the ball. You can worry about English after you learn to aim and pocket balls.

When you hit every shot like this, your "learning" of English will come along with it. Everybody is TOO hung up on trying to spin the ball.

Once you play "naturally", the rest will fall into place.

Aloha.
 
nine o nine said:
Viualize the aiming pont as the point on the object ball farthest from the pocket. It's then up to your stroke fundamentals to hit that point.
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I think visualizing the OB contact point is the best "reference" you can have, but even that doesn't solve the hardest part of aiming: estimating what part of the CB to hit the OB contact point with. If we could see the other side of the CB this would be much easier...

pj
chgo
 
darrenpool said:
I saw this video and curious about are there many people using this aiming system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fR6BZ5TDs

I use ghost ball aiming system. However, the video says it will present problems as you become a more advanced player. I'm trying to think how to improve my shooting. Is this aiming system worthy to learn? Anyone have the experience about learning this aiming system? I tried to find more videos on Youtube but couldn't find any. Any information appreciated. Thank you! :)
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This system is a more in depth, elaborate explanation as to why the system I have preached forever works. SVB uses this type system.

BTW, I like to think of this as an alignment system as well.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5988W41mgcY
 
itsfroze said:
Isn't there an aiming sub-forum ? ;)
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Is this thread bothering you for some reason?

Maybe it is time you relax and get your mind off something as "stressful" as a thread in the "wrong" place.

I hate when people get so "uptight" about this place and what should be where. Is this thread taking up space that could be used for posting APA league scores or something more important?

Aloha.
 
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