Alex being Alex
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Just to disagree with some who have posted here. While Alex is definitely fun to watch; he is NOT in any way a gentleman; at least by commonly held criteria. He also is NOT in any way a true "professional." He is a great player, no doubt; but really disgraced himself.
Maybe he'll change, but he's not a kid; just really immature.
Ralf Souquet = a true professional.
Alex Pagulayan = an immature clown (who can REALLY play).
In my view there is more to greatness than just playing ability; Ralf has it, Alex does not. JMO.
Maybe he'll change, but he's not a kid; just really immature.
Ralf Souquet = a true professional.
Alex Pagulayan = an immature clown (who can REALLY play).
In my view there is more to greatness than just playing ability; Ralf has it, Alex does not. JMO.
I watched the match for awhile. It was funny and he had the crowd laughing for a few minutes. But then. Glad to know that he was just drunk on his ass. Somebody should have done something, but at least he seemed to try to be quiet when DA got down. I quit watching when it was eighty something to twenty something. The play was bad. I had enough of pool and the attempts at humour. It was like a terrible comedienne who wouldn't shut up or get off the stage. I dont think anybody should do or say anything to the poor guy. His own shame and embarrassment should be enough...... By the way . Whats the use of pool tournaments if everybody is just going to chop up the winnings?
I agree with Mikey. I thought the match was a bit fun to watch, while getting old at the same time. Its a good thing Daz played well and kept running out to keep the match short.
I think everyone is being too hard on him. Big deal, he got drunk, and was a bit crazy, and had a good time with himself. I bet that the people who saw it in person laughed about it, smiled, and then forgot about it. We are the ones dragging on about it online. Just let it go.
My opinion of course...
No one should be surprised, Alex has always been this way from the first day he hit the Pool scene. As the title says-Alex being Alex.
I don't know, Alex got a 1st, a 3rd, and a 9th, strong finishes in all three events.
SVB got a 1st, a 2nd, and a what? 96th? Maybe? 2 strong finishes and a complete fail on the third.
So the 1st place finishes should be a wash, you have SVB with a second compared to Alex's 3rd, and then you compared Alex's 9th with SVB's second round and gone in the Banks. IMO Alex's strong finish of 9th should be worth more then the difference between 2nd and 3rd given Shane's other event was almost as low as he could be.
It is not Shane's fault he got the prize, he is certainly not going to turn it down, but the people who manage the points might want to look into it because this result was pretty goofy.
I definately don't want to see AZB tar and fearher Alex and make him figure poker and chickens are a much more relaxing life and have this the last time we see him.
The guy got drunk, 1 week ago everyone was saying Alex is one of the most friendly and well respected ambassadors in the sport and now he should be banned, suspended, have his fingernails ripped out, ect.... Try to be a little more balanced on the highs and lows people.
Dud,
Truer words were never spoken.
This was an often discussed subject this week at DCC; I was trying to get the opinions of as many pro's as possible on the subject. I was quite distressed that the vast majority were in favor of splitting the winnings - all in favor gave the same "excuse" that "there's just no money in the game, and they have to make a living."
To me, such behavior is a major REASON why there's no money in the game. Who wants to watch (or bet) on a match that means nothing to the contestants.
Several pro's claimed they would play just as hard even with a 50/50 split agreement; but it rang VERY hollow. There is no pressure in such a situation; and the majority of fans want to see their favorites perform under pressure - EVERYBODY's game falls a bit under pressure, even the pro's. With a split, we are just watching them play for "funsies" - and we will NEVER see true greatness in such a match.
Well, from the stories I've heard, Greenleaf was usually drunk and carried a pint in case the bar was closed.
As for the referee, I think Bill was in a very difficult position since the match was being broadcast. I've been in a similar situation myself, and it's no fun.
It is unfortunate that the 14.1 final was again postponed to the end of the DCC. It would have been much better if it could have been scheduled for Friday. The problem is that with the 9 ball finishing, both players and the table are unavailable until everything else is done.
Welp, now we know how he got drunk.
I'll assume then that you don't wager on pool.
That perspective might cause you to change your mind.
Best,
Brian kc
On that note Alex has NO responsibility towards people who decide to wager on his matches. He is not playing those matches for the sake of people betting on the side, he is playing them for his own reasons and if you decide to jump onto his bandwagon and hitch a ride on his coat-tails then you better be ready to be taken whereever he decides to go. In this instance it is better beware, you have NO contract between Alex and yourself and he has no responsibility to protect your interests in his match whatsoever.
Duck city classic
Well well, here we are again and again and it never changes. No matter what is said and done, everyone will support this year after year no matter what happens. What does anybody expect when a TD does nothing. That's what your gonna get when you let certain people in charge of overseeing that are incompetant to say the least. They're wearin me out with all the asshalf stuff that goes on. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Well well, here we are again and again and it never changes. No matter what is said and done, everyone will support this year after year no matter what happens. What does anybody expect when a TD does nothing. That's what your gonna get when you let certain people in charge of overseeing that are incompetant to say the least. They're wearin me out with all the asshalf stuff that goes on. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Absolutely true.
But Alex also SHOWS no responsibility. A pro should work towards improving the sport. Low class behavior hurts him, and hurts the sport. He could benefit greatly by cleaning up his act.
Lee Trevino was able to exhibit a fun loving personality without jeopardizing his performance and while still being a true professional. Alex could be GREAT for the game with some help.
I didn't just, nor have I ever, bet on Alex. So there are no sour grapes here.
Of course, I agree that if someone bets on Alex, or anyone else for that matter, they should be prepared to accept going wherever their horse takes them. And track records should be considered for sure.
That said, I do believe someone who is competing in a prestigious event like DCC, let alone a DCC final, has a responsibility to themselves and their fans to give their best effort to win. And yes, that means not showing up for their match drunk.
So I respectfully disagree with you that Alex has no responsibility. I believe on that stage he does.
What he did wasn't funny, it was rookie nonsense, and he's no rookie.
Too bad, really, with all that talent and charisma.
Best,
Brian kc
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So, if pool had a bunch of Ralph Souquet's, it would be better? No way! Guys like Alex and Keith keep people interested and entertained! Alex always has a smile on his face, and is always fun to be around. Pool is just like life... there are all types of personalities in it, and that makes it interesting.
There is no "fix" to pool's declining popularity. Its just the way it is unfortunately for us diehards. The varied personalities and actions of our sport are no different than the personalities of any other sport. Its just looking for a scapegoat blaming pool's declining popularity on the personalities of its players.
There is no "fix" to pool's declining popularity. Its just the way it is unfortunately for us diehards. The varied personalities and actions of our sport are no different than the personalities of any other sport. Its just looking for a scapegoat blaming pool's declining popularity on the personalities of its players.
He had a bad night. We have ALL had a bad night here and there. The only difference is when I have a bad night and act like an ass I don't have cameras on me and a bunch of people watching because I am a famous pool player or anything else.
And the pool fans will focus on those negatives with a microscope and make them front page news every bloody time, as if THAT is somehow "helping" the sport to put the rare instances like this right in the spotlight such as is now taking place on AZB? People worried about this damaging the sport? Give me a break, this is an excuse to gossip and rant about something on AZB for a while. If they were worried about it hurting the sport they would not be shouting the event out from the rafters making sure EVERYONE knows the juicy details.
Alex is generally great for the sport when he is actually competing in it. He has charisma up the wazoo, is very personable towards the fans, quite humble given his astonishing talent. The sport did better when Alex was getting 2nd and 1st in the world championships (both times conducting himself very well), people generally like to watch Alex.
He had a bad day, had a odd match, sounds like he was talking while Daz was shooting but that Daz was in relatively good spirits and Alex was not trying to shark and beat him and never had a prayer in the match given his state.
It would be great to hear Daz's side of the story, since he was the most directly affected, he might have wanted a better match against a sober Alex from a competitive standpoint, but being gifted a title is not too bad as a alternative at the tail end of a very long week of competing. At the end of the day I am sure he will let it slide as Alex is a peer, a generally good guy, and only really hurt himself in the whole situation.
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Ralf Souquets vs Johnny Archers, nothing else, match after match, forever. Oh My God that would be some awesome golf I would be watching!
Yes, we've all had a bad night and made asses of ourselves.
But I believe there is a big difference when comparing having a few too many beers at APA league night with showing up drunk for a final at DCC.
Most of us would trade a left nut for the chance to make a DCC final.
To squander such an opportunity, IMHO, is shameful.
And didn't I read earlier in this thread, this wasn't the first time he has done this?
Best,
Brian kc
But I believe there is a big difference when comparing having a few too many beers at APA league night with showing up drunk for a final at DCC.
Most of us would trade a left nut for the chance to make a DCC final.
To squander such an opportunity, IMHO, is shameful.
And didn't I read earlier in this thread, this wasn't the first time he has done this?
Best,
Brian kc
Yeah the difference there is he is Alex Pagulayan, World 9-ball Champ, US Open Champ, DCC banks champ, 3rd in DCC 1-pocet this year, former Louis Roberta Award winner, Canadian 9-ball champ, ect....
And you are Joe APA player.
Alex's DCC straight pool final is the equivalent of your APA match in Vegas. And I have seen a slew of amature players acting like complete asses down in Vegas during both the BCA and VNEA singles and team events.
Alex does not play APA, he plays pro pool, and on any given day he can beat the world. When he has a bad day it is GOING to be in this type of event because THAT IS how good he is and that is his world.
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