Good post. I think Alex's finish in all three tournaments was equal to Shane's finish in all. How are the points given? Does amount of entries play a part? I'd sure like to know.
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Good post. I think Alex's finish in all three tournaments was equal to Shane's finish in all. How are the points given? Does amount of entries play a part? I'd sure like to know.
As I stated above that is apples and oranges. Pro golfers and pro tennis players are members of player organizations. They sign contracts that not only require them to follow certain codes of conduct but ALSO act to protect those players and their investments into the sport. Alex and the rest of the professional pool players have NOTHING like that, they are not members of any professional organization that states a specific code of conduct and the tournaments they play in and in turn they lack the protection of fair play and the guarenteed purses that the professional golf and tennis players enjoy.
You want pool players treated like golfers and tennis players? Great, the pool players want that too. Get an actual tour, guarentee the rights of the players, put in a code of conduct to play on the official professional tour, the players will sign happily. Until then you are asking the players to be held at the same standards of other sports, yet those other sports treat their own professionals WAY better then this sport EVER has.
From another thread where this was explained, it seems the points are very top heavy, so the difference between SVB's 2nd and Alex's third was bigger than the difference between Alex's 9th and Shane's zilch, thereby giving Shane more total points. My understanding is that a player gets very few points for a 9th place finish so it is not much better than no points in that event (compared to the difference between 2nd and 3rd).
But it's not like the MOTT honor is bestowed by decision in some smoke filled back room. To the extent it is a points system and the players are aware of the system beforehand, then it is what it is. It does seem the points system could perhaps use a little massaging though.
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How many points was given for this DCC final?
BS (hey, great initials to use for your post),
Isn't that YOUR opinion...hmmmm...
Worst post in AZB history...I think...errr, wait...that's my opinion...my head is beginning to hurt...someone direct me to the proper forum where no one expresses opinions....www.absolutequiet.com
P.S. - I think this forum EXISTS for the sharing of information AND opinions; even those that you may not happen to agree with.
P.P.S. - I support your right to your opinion that I shouldn't have an opinion. JMO.
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Serenity now!
Ya, that being a further kick right to Alex's nuts, a little bit more salt in that wound. And now he gets to play in the finals of that oh so prestigious 14.1 event that is not even worth a point for MOTT. No wonder he got drunk.
Singing "Cold Cold Coronaaaaa, stay close to meeeeeeee, make me forgeeeeet that I, got screwed over soooooooo....."
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Pro in pool only means he has superb skills. Those skills allow him to make money at it. If you want Professional then pay them as such and get a players agreement a contract. Other than a players sponsors he owes no one. All the other sports have contracts and they still have people being busted for drugs, dog fighting, drunk driving, head butting in boxing. Has it hurt any of the other sports? No not at all What about the tennis player who use to throw fits (mcanroe?) He either cheated DAZ out of a win or gave him one.
Ask 10 people who are sports fans but do not play pool if they have heard about the Alex at DCC and I bet you will be lucky to find 1. So his act didn't hurt the future of pool to any of them.
I paid for last night ppv at my pool hall and most of the people didn't even know who the players were of where DCC was being held a mere 3 1/2 hrs away. Hell most of them didn't know how 14.1 was played. They were even more lost when they showed the 14yr old beat piggy banks in 1 pocket.
Exposure is what is needed for pool to grow. Some times bad press works as well as good press. Look at Hollywood. People who are not on any team for them there is no such thing as bad press. Any press is good press as it means more exposure.
Am I right? yes, no, maybe But I am new to this game after 25 years of being away from it. I forgot I loved it. It was only when exposed again I remember how much I love it.
just one mans ramblings
Ask 10 people who are sports fans but do not play pool if they have heard about the Alex at DCC and I bet you will be lucky to find 1. So his act didn't hurt the future of pool to any of them.
I paid for last night ppv at my pool hall and most of the people didn't even know who the players were of where DCC was being held a mere 3 1/2 hrs away. Hell most of them didn't know how 14.1 was played. They were even more lost when they showed the 14yr old beat piggy banks in 1 pocket.
Exposure is what is needed for pool to grow. Some times bad press works as well as good press. Look at Hollywood. People who are not on any team for them there is no such thing as bad press. Any press is good press as it means more exposure.
Am I right? yes, no, maybe But I am new to this game after 25 years of being away from it. I forgot I loved it. It was only when exposed again I remember how much I love it.
just one mans ramblings
Alex screwed up. Just bar him from the event and move on. Whoever was in charge of making the final call should of listened to Bill and not allowed Alex to play. Whose fault is it that the whole thing became a spectacle? Alex showing up popped or the people who knew he was popped and decided to put him under the lights and on camera and make the spectacle as widely seen as possible ?
Alex deserves his share of heat but he isn't the only one. In "big time" sports the producers would of seen his condition and before you know it an announcement made that "due to last minute issue Alex has withdrawn from the finals"
But then no one would get to laugh and judge someone on the internets. And what fun would that be?
Some of the holier than thou comments in these threads about sullying the sanctity of the game really crack me up though.
Alex deserves his share of heat but he isn't the only one. In "big time" sports the producers would of seen his condition and before you know it an announcement made that "due to last minute issue Alex has withdrawn from the finals"
But then no one would get to laugh and judge someone on the internets. And what fun would that be?
Some of the holier than thou comments in these threads about sullying the sanctity of the game really crack me up though.
I disagree and think people need to lighten the hell up. If anyone in this thread has not ever gotten drunk and made a fool of themselves then somethjng is wrong.
I was eating with alex within a hour before Shanes match with Niels. He wad 100% sober and respectful. Winning an all around means a lot to him. He fought hard to win and honestly should have with his overall preformace. While eating he said "if I don't win I'm glad Shane win. I like him." yea... No class............
Yea he made a mistake and was bad timing. Oh well, but saying he's not a gentalman makes me question anyone who feels that way. Sorry for being rude but Alex is a good guy and we have all made mistakes and I hope someone stands up for me when I make em.
I agree they could have cleaned the whole thing up by saying "the delay in the 14.1 tournament ran into Alex's flight schedule therefore he would be unable to participate in the final."
But then we wouldn't have this thread.
Cleary I agree with everything you said OTHER than the first line. IF you've never made a fool out of yourself from a drunken escapade there is NOT something wrong...lol. BUT, a mistake is a mistake, BIG freakin deal. Some folks that are being uber judgmental over this do need to get over themselves. And, I too think Alex is a great guy, has fun (making it fun for everyone watching), and is class 99.9% of the time. He made an error in judgment (which EVERYONE is guilty of)....give the guy a break!
HAHAHAHA. OMG, I love this game. I love the people who play it. He should have been called on a sharking foul and that would have been the end of it. I wish I saw it................................. Forgive the guy, how much good has he done for the classy sport of pool?
C-man,
I hope that you will apologize for your mistake if and when you make one; rather than rely on someone to "stand up for you."
"Sober and respectful" are not good descriptors of Alex's behavior as witnessed. "Gentleman" is not a good description of his behavior as televised.
But it is good to know that he is capable of good behavior; no medals from most of us for behaving nicely before drinking. "Gentlemen" behave well at all times; not just among friends; not just while sober. "Gentlemen" do not talk while their opponents shoot. JMO. I admire you sticking up for a friend; I hope we won't be discussing such behavior in the future.
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I wrote 3 different replies to this thread trying to say the same things you just said but the wording never came out right , thank you!
P.S. - My last word on the subject. The gentlemen who contributed the cash, dedicated the time, and ran the event were the ones who were "pissed on" (and THEY ARE gentlemen). It could have been a great event...maybe next year...if there is one thanks to AP.
Maybe some of you do not care for 14.1; but there were plenty who would have taken his place if he didn't care. I care deeply, and I will miss this event if it can't continue. Out.
Maybe some of you do not care for 14.1; but there were plenty who would have taken his place if he didn't care. I care deeply, and I will miss this event if it can't continue. Out.
I agree with you. I didn't see the drunk incident, but every time I watched a match in which Alex was playing, the "Alex the Clown" act got a little more overbearing.
It used to be referred to as the "little man's syndrome". The guy is a great pool player, but to me his tournament play would be more enjoyable if he stopped trying to show everyone how wonderful and funny he is.
He should limit the shenanigans to non-tournament play. Even Ronnie Allen and Keith McCready --two of the funniest guys to have played pool-- never acted that way in tournament matches.
Doc
I too posted that Alex made and fool of himself. Just a question. Seeing as he's not operating heavy equipment or driving he should be allowed to play? Once he started yapping he should have been given a warning and then deducted a point, followed by forfeit of match.
Game set match. Now what if Alex was loaded and still won even though he was hopped up on hops? He still seemed capable of hitting some nice shots. Just made silly decisions.
The problem here is that it was handled poorly. The match should have been stopped after 10 minutes.
Game set match. Now what if Alex was loaded and still won even though he was hopped up on hops? He still seemed capable of hitting some nice shots. Just made silly decisions.
The problem here is that it was handled poorly. The match should have been stopped after 10 minutes.