All around best american player??
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Real late to this thread but....
One Pocket-Shannon Daulton
Banks- Shannon Daulton
10 Ball- Push.....No, I'm gonna give the edge to Daulton. He has 2 DCC 9 Ball titles in his credentials against huge monster feilds.
Now seriously Chris, if you stack up Daulton's wins against Chohan's wins in 1P and Banks, can you honestly say you would say Chohan is better at those 2 games? Not without giggling you can't!
Can't rate players on what coulda been, shoulda been. Got to rate them on what they DID. Just on Derby City Classic titles alone, Shannon has 4 and Chohan has zero. Wait a minute, let me double check....yep, he still has won none!
And what about Shannon's "Legend of One Pocket" championships?
If they both never shoot another game of pool, Daulton is still a lock for the Hall of Fame. Chohan would never be considered for the H.O.F., based on what he's accomplished so far in his career. Too many greater players who've accomplished more than he did.
One Pocket-Shannon Daulton
Banks- Shannon Daulton
10 Ball- Push.....No, I'm gonna give the edge to Daulton. He has 2 DCC 9 Ball titles in his credentials against huge monster feilds.
Now seriously Chris, if you stack up Daulton's wins against Chohan's wins in 1P and Banks, can you honestly say you would say Chohan is better at those 2 games? Not without giggling you can't!
Can't rate players on what coulda been, shoulda been. Got to rate them on what they DID. Just on Derby City Classic titles alone, Shannon has 4 and Chohan has zero. Wait a minute, let me double check....yep, he still has won none!
And what about Shannon's "Legend of One Pocket" championships?If they both never shoot another game of pool, Daulton is still a lock for the Hall of Fame. Chohan would never be considered for the H.O.F., based on what he's accomplished so far in his career. Too many greater players who've accomplished more than he did.
One Pocket-Shannon Daulton
Banks- Shannon Daulton
10 Ball- Push.....No, I'm gonna give the edge to Daulton. He has 2 DCC 9 Ball titles in his credentials against huge monster feilds.
Now seriously Chris, if you stack up Daulton's wins against Chohan's wins in 1P and Banks, can you honestly say you would say Chohan is better at those 2 games? Not without giggling you can't!
Can't rate players on what coulda been, shoulda been. Got to rate them on what they DID. Just on Derby City Classic titles alone, Shannon has 4 and Chohan has zero. Wait a minute, let me double check....yep, he still has won none!
If they both never shoot another game of pool, Daulton is still a lock for the Hall of Fame. Chohan would never be considered for the H.O.F., based on what he's accomplished so far in his career. Too many greater players who've accomplished more than he did.
terry tony is like me at tourneys he is going to gamble all night.
terry dont giggle but they played one pocket even and tony won for money.
and banks tony would be a bigger fav.
10 ball shannon is the fav.
i respect shannons game but i feel tony is the best all around we have .
One Pocket-Shannon Daulton
Banks- Shannon Daulton
10 Ball- Push.....No, I'm gonna give the edge to Daulton. He has 2 DCC 9 Ball titles in his credentials against huge monster feilds.
Now seriously Chris, if you stack up Daulton's wins against Chohan's wins in 1P and Banks, can you honestly say you would say Chohan is better at those 2 games? Not without giggling you can't!
Can't rate players on what coulda been, shoulda been. Got to rate them on what they DID. Just on Derby City Classic titles alone, Shannon has 4 and Chohan has zero. Wait a minute, let me double check....yep, he still has won none!
If they both never shoot another game of pool, Daulton is still a lock for the Hall of Fame. Chohan would never be considered for the H.O.F., based on what he's accomplished so far in his career. Too many greater players who've accomplished more than he did.
Shannon was supposed to play tony an all around but he got scared. Then later on tony and shannon played a 1 pocket set and it wasn't even close. Too bad Shannon got scared to play that all around, it woulda been fun to watch!
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One Pocket-Shannon Daulton
Banks- Shannon Daulton
10 Ball- Push.....No, I'm gonna give the edge to Daulton. He has 2 DCC 9 Ball titles in his credentials against huge monster feilds.
Now seriously Chris, if you stack up Daulton's wins against Chohan's wins in 1P and Banks, can you honestly say you would say Chohan is better at those 2 games? Not without giggling you can't!
Can't rate players on what coulda been, shoulda been. Got to rate them on what they DID. Just on Derby City Classic titles alone, Shannon has 4 and Chohan has zero. Wait a minute, let me double check....yep, he still has won none!
If they both never shoot another game of pool, Daulton is still a lock for the Hall of Fame. Chohan would never be considered for the H.O.F., based on what he's accomplished so far in his career. Too many greater players who've accomplished more than he did.
Terry, Chris is talking about gambling here, which is a little different animal. Tony was/is a notorious gambler for high stakes and not such a noted tournament player. He was really just starting to get more active in tournaments when he got sent on vacation.
If I had to bet on this match, I would be forced to bet on Tony too. Shannon might be a small dog in all three games. At least a year ago he was. No telling if we will ever see Tony out here playing again. Tony had developed one of the most powerful strokes in the game. Too bad.
Daulton was playing money games before he could tie his shoes. He's never been ascared of anybody that I ever heard of, yet now, he's "scared" to play Chohan?
How do you know he was "scared"? I don't remember reading any posts on that proposed match up. You heard Daulton say he was "scared"? No way I believe that unless you can link me to a YouTube that has him saying that.
Tony- "Shannon let's play some pool"
Shannon- "No way Tony, I'm scared!"
Yea, right!
D-D, I'm a long time fan of yours and you're usually pretty accurate. But this was just silly. "Scared"......stop it!
its about time someone knows what im saying i always talk about the action thats all.
if shannon is better in tourneys i dont care just if they play for money.
Jay,
I got mad respect for you and Chris. (Even D-D too!
) But I just don't see it like you guys do. Not just because Daulton's one of my favorite players either. I really believe in SD's skills that much. Did everybody forget that Shannon also gambles and has since he was chewing Gerber's!Tony was on a real hot streak for a while. But there was no longevity there. And the part about a better money player than tournament player, I never understood either. Don't they play for cash in tournaments??? He don't try as hard to win a tournament, with it's money and potential sponsorship if he can win enough, but he does try hard for back room money matches? That never makes any sense to me. Lassiter tried just as hard in tournaments as he did gambling. He may have LIKED money games more, but he tried just as hard. There was money to be won. And I could name dozens of other great players that try just as hard in tournaments as they do in gambling. Does SVB try less in tournaments or money matches? How about Johnny Archer? Efren? Orcollo? Parica?
Sure, many players prefer money matches to the tournament grind, but the great ones are great at both.
Money won in a tournament is still money, right?
And Jay, you mentioned that Tony was "not such a noted tournament player" Why not? Did he have chinks or weaknesses that the other players who won didn't have? So if he wasn't noted for winning or doing well in major tournaments, why should someone who DID do well in major tournaments (Daulton) be thought of as bridesmaid? Both can gamble high and win, and one also produces in the thick of tournament tension.
Some things in pool, I just can't grasp!
Jay,
I got mad respect for you and Chris. (Even D-D too!
Tony was on a real hot streak for a while. But there was no longevity there. And the part about a better money player than tournament player, I never understood either. Don't they play for cash in tournaments??? He don't try as hard to win a tournament, with it's money and potential sponsorship if he can win enough, but he does try hard for back room money matches? That never makes any sense to me. Lassiter tried just as hard in tournaments as he did gambling. He may have LIKED money games more, but he tried just as hard. There was money to be won. And I could name dozens of other great players that try just as hard in tournaments as they do in gambling. Does SVB try less in tournaments or money matches? How about Johnny Archer? Efren? Orcollo? Parica?
Sure, many players prefer money matches to the tournament grind, but the great ones are great at both.
Money won in a tournament is still money, right?
And Jay, you mentioned that Tony was "not such a noted tournament player" Why not? Did he have chinks or weaknesses that the other players who won didn't have? So if he wasn't noted for winning or doing well in major tournaments, why should someone who DID do well in major tournaments (Daulton) be thought of as bridesmaid? Both can gamble high and win, and one also produces in the thick of tournament tension.
Some things in pool, I just can't grasp!
terry when tony is at a tourney there is a good chance he stayed up all night if not playing someone pool then craps or something.
he is not in bed at 11 pm to get up with the right sleep.
alex is the same way .
Chris,
I gotta admit, that actually makes sense. That's a good explaination.
You "telled" me a good piece of info there!
Still, my money is on Shannon if they ever match up in the future.
Jay,
I got mad respect for you and Chris. (Even D-D too!
Tony was on a real hot streak for a while. But there was no longevity there. And the part about a better money player than tournament player, I never understood either. Don't they play for cash in tournaments??? He don't try as hard to win a tournament, with it's money and potential sponsorship if he can win enough, but he does try hard for back room money matches? That never makes any sense to me. Lassiter tried just as hard in tournaments as he did gambling. He may have LIKED money games more, but he tried just as hard. There was money to be won. And I could name dozens of other great players that try just as hard in tournaments as they do in gambling. Does SVB try less in tournaments or money matches? How about Johnny Archer? Efren? Orcollo? Parica?
Sure, many players prefer money matches to the tournament grind, but the great ones are great at both.
Money won in a tournament is still money, right?
And Jay, you mentioned that Tony was "not such a noted tournament player" Why not? Did he have chinks or weaknesses that the other players who won didn't have? So if he wasn't noted for winning or doing well in major tournaments, why should someone who DID do well in major tournaments (Daulton) be thought of as bridesmaid? Both can gamble high and win, and one also produces in the thick of tournament tension.
Some things in pool, I just can't grasp!
Let me try to help you out my friend. By the way, I'm glad to see you posting on here again. YOU WERE MISSED!
It's true there is money to be won in tournaments, if you can fade all the tough players who specialize in tournament play. Plus the guys who do both well, like Shane. A guy like Tony might have a shot to win five or ten thousand if he can go deep in a big tournament (like first or second). Or he can win that much gambling in one night (or more). That's the reality of professional pool today. Unless you are a great 9-Ball or Ten Ball player and can hang with the likes of SVB, Ralf and Mika good luck to you. There are some damn good players who barely eke out a living playing professional pool.
All that said, Tony was getting more and more into the tournament circuit in his last year or so out there. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him win a big one. Maybe he will some day. When it comes to playing for money, Tony was on a roll and becoming recognized as one of the most feared money players on Earth. Not too many wanted to tangle with him. His rep was growing as a money player and Shannon's was not. In pool we want to bet on how someone is playing now, not on their reputation from the past. In this regard Tony was probably the betting favorite over Shannon, but not by much. Maybe 6-5. Shannon has too much heart and talent to ever count him out. If he gets fired up, he could put a dose on a player like Tony. Don't think he hasn't done it before.
And that is why I and so many others have such great respect for you!
If I don't get something, I'm not afraid to say so. And your post (and Chris's) made good sense as to why so many people are on Tony's bandwagon. Your post was well thought out with crystal clear logic.
I understand now how people can feel as they do when betting on "lesser accomplished" players over a bonafide "legend". You're saying that in pool, you're only as good as your last set, and that the see-saw was begining to tilt some here. And really, I knew all that before. I just hadn't seen the see-saw tilt as much as you guys did!
Thanks for the nice greeting Jay! And a special thanks for an insightful and well thought out reply. I learned some more today.
PS-Me and Marge and probably Ktown are still gonna bet on Shannon!
Daulton was playing money games before he could tie his shoes. He's never been ascared of anybody that I ever heard of, yet now, he's "scared" to play Chohan?
How do you know he was "scared"? I don't remember reading any posts on that proposed match up. You heard Daulton say he was "scared"? No way I believe that unless you can link me to a YouTube that has him saying that.
Tony- "Shannon let's play some pool"
Shannon- "No way Tony, I'm scared!"
Yea, right!
D-D, I'm a long time fan of yours and you're usually pretty accurate. But this was just silly. "Scared"......stop it!
Were still buds! Its just my opinion that Shannon got word what he was up against and just got a lil scared. I know "scared" might seem like a strong word for this scenario, but to me it fits better than any other word i can think of!
Very cool post! You guys make it fun to be here.
best overall
larry nevel period. plays all games very well.
larry nevel period. plays all games very well.
Ha ha I love this shit..Probably just cause my man got in an argument with Johns wife on ustream..No hard feelins..Go Juice Go...
I would take who looked the best that nite, who appeared to look the most relaxed, least tired, ready to go, good mood. etc. Its gambling for sure, nobody is stealing in that game.
Svb
My pick for the best all around player in America right now today 5-5-10 is Shane, He gets no credit for his bank game because his 10 ball over shawdows it, his 1P is weaker than the other games but its come way up inthe past year, he was my partner in a 1p Match a month ago we played for 4-5 hours, he is moving good not just shooting at his hole-but he cant beat scott, gabe, tony. his rotation games are his best. and he is a great bar box player 8ball and 9ball. I dont know about his Straight pool game-has he ran 250?, 200?
There are better players than Shane in every game(guys who are specialests), except 10 ball I would say there are a couple guys that are equal to him, when he had his break going like when he played Cory then he was the #1 Ten ball player period. But that break aint working as good right now-he told me this, so dont get mad at me, I aint knocking him.
Its really hard to answere this question because the specialests are awalys a bit better at one game than a all aroud player.
Shane is improving too, he might not have his 10 ball break where it was at, but he will find it again and in the mean time he will keep plying better and better. He is very smart a "Big picture" guy, he thinks 5 years ahead not living week to week. And that is wht he plays all games well.
i'm done, Shane paid me 25 cents to sa:wink:y this
My pick for the best all around player in America right now today 5-5-10 is Shane, He gets no credit for his bank game because his 10 ball over shawdows it, his 1P is weaker than the other games but its come way up inthe past year, he was my partner in a 1p Match a month ago we played for 4-5 hours, he is moving good not just shooting at his hole-but he cant beat scott, gabe, tony. his rotation games are his best. and he is a great bar box player 8ball and 9ball. I dont know about his Straight pool game-has he ran 250?, 200?
There are better players than Shane in every game(guys who are specialests), except 10 ball I would say there are a couple guys that are equal to him, when he had his break going like when he played Cory then he was the #1 Ten ball player period. But that break aint working as good right now-he told me this, so dont get mad at me, I aint knocking him.
Its really hard to answere this question because the specialests are awalys a bit better at one game than a all aroud player.
Shane is improving too, he might not have his 10 ball break where it was at, but he will find it again and in the mean time he will keep plying better and better. He is very smart a "Big picture" guy, he thinks 5 years ahead not living week to week. And that is wht he plays all games well.
i'm done, Shane paid me 25 cents to sa:wink:y this
In an all around format consisting of Banks, 1 pocket, 14.1, 8 ball, and 9 ball, Danny is best american. Next thread!