Am I wrong?

My opinion is to let it go. Any discounts you get are perks. Even if you've been comped every single day for the past 10 years you have zero rights to complain if they charge you full fare. I like what someone else posted too, that particular guy may have gotten in trouble for giving free time or drinks or whatever and he's making sure to cross his T's and dot his I's.

Yeah, *IF* you were to complain you would be totally out of line. I would just let it go.
MULLY
 
One other thing, here in Japan, you can buy a membership in your favorite pool hall. I think the membership fee, one time, was like 3 bucks or something, and as a member you get like a buck and a half cut off per hour. American rooms should do the same for it's regular customers.
MULLY
I still pay something like 6 bucks per hour though
 
Loyalty is a two-way street

As a former Pool Room owner I know it is a tough balancing act between keeping the loyal customers happy and getting the bills paid. Good room owners are aware of what they need from the loyals to keep the doors open and do their best to collect without running them off. Giving breaks to regulars is a lot like running loss leaders, sales or tournaments. It is just like advertisement; the money spent hopefully will pay off in the end. The best room owners understand the loyals' concern and make it standard policy to give the loyals a break. So I would look at it like you do any other business that you frequent. Sometimes the sale runs out or there is no special on the menu. I hope you still frequent the place when there is no sale, or if on one occasion or another you are charged regular (full) fare.

Another issue that perturbed me greatly as a room owner was when my employees would give away pool time to induce a larger tip. To me this is a kin to inviting a friend over to another buddy's house and handing out tools or money found at the buddy's house to your friend. If you have a buddy to whom you want to give a hook up, then check with the boss. I am sure he/she would be okay with it, but if not, please don't reach into another man's wallet and take something that does not rightfully belong to you and give it to another. Buy your buddy a beer, or contribute to his table time, but taking from the owner, without the owner's approval or knowledge is morally wrong at best and criminally wrong at worst.

I understand that this happens all the time, and who doesn't like to get the hook up, but in the end, it is what it is. You'd be surprised what the owners would go along with if given the chance to hear your concern and to respond. Most of the owners I have met over the years aren't in this business strictly for the money, they want to do what's fair and they do enjoy giving back to the pool community. As others have suggested, loyalty is a two-way street.
 
One other thing, here in Japan, you can buy a membership in your favorite pool hall. I think the membership fee, one time, was like 3 bucks or something, and as a member you get like a buck and a half cut off per hour. American rooms should do the same for it's regular customers.

I like the idea of room membership if it makes economic sense for the pool room owner.

Playing as a league member in my home room of Maxamillian's in Tyngsboro, Mass. gets you the following:
* free table time after league matches (which finish around 10 p.m.)
* a dirt cheap fixed rate on for the whole day on Sunday (was $5)
* a discount on table time during regular hours
* the chance to win prizes of free or discounted table time and food

These same perks may not make sense in a big city with higher rental rates and a different mix of clientele, but the discounts together with a friendly atmosphere are a great combination.
 
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to you guys before now. Busy day at work. I honestly appreciate everyone's feedback on the matter.

Beav99_4Life:
I may have been irked a bit, but not complaining. Just asked for opinions not judgement.

ShootingArts:
I think you're right. I may just have gotten used to the perk and shouldn't take it personal. I am conflicted though. If everyone including the owner takes care of the regulars, why do I stand out?

To answer your question, I am one of those players that will help out if needed. I correct others to respect the place and its equipment. I put cues away, and put cues and balls away whenever needed. I even spent 15-20min giving a table a complete cloth and rail wipe down that same day.

Master-Cueist & i need somethin:
Are you serious?? Why the hell would I bother to post this for a paltry $5 after playing there on an all day session?

FranknCali:
You're right I am letting it go. That's my decision right from the jump. Just interested in others' opinions on the matter.

CtyHntr:
I honestly don't want anyone in a fix over it.

JDB:
I don't believe I'm entitled to anything. Just as I don't have to frequent this establishment either. If you're going to set a standard for regulars, then stick to your guns.

MikeyFrost:
Thx!

JesPiddlin:
Think you need to dial the pills down a bit old-timer. I've already stated that I love the place and most people there. But I do agree that a poolroom without regulars is a church with no followers. I don't think any owner wants that.

Scottyr44:
Catch up on your meds buddy, no one's making a stink. Well, except posts like yours anyways. If you get away with speeding, that only means the fuzz are interested in doing their job to well. I can see your room having zero respect or loyalty and shouldn't complain if a place like that goes belly up.

MullyMan:
That's a nice thought on the membership idea.

SlopStroke & Neil: I completely understand that its a business, I do. It really is a 2 way street and I as a regular always try to help out whenever possible. I'm not above picking up a broom or giving equipment a wipe down when its busy and staff can't get to it.


Once again everyone, thx for the feedback. Its appreciated!
 
sounds like you are a great regular

I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to you guys before now. Busy day at work. I honestly appreciate everyone's feedback on the matter.
ShootingArts:
I think you're right. I may just have gotten used to the perk and shouldn't take it personal. I am conflicted though. If everyone including the owner takes care of the regulars, why do I stand out?


It does sound like you are a great "regular" that understands that things are a two way street. I think I would make a point of turning in the balls to the owner when the guy that charged you full price is behind the counter and just make a comment that you can't afford to let the counter guy ring you up or something light like that to let the owner know you are paying extra to that guy without making a big deal out of it.

Hu
 
My first instinct is to find out what days he's working so I avoid getting screwed every time he's there. I figure there are plenty of players out there that this has happened to, so I'm just looking for opinions on the matter. Thx AZ'ers!

Based on what you said, I get the impression you are more pissed because the guys seems to be "targeting" you.....ie, he knows that you usually get a deal, but he doesn't like you, so he is playing tough guy.....yeah, I'd be pissed, if this is in fact the case.....

If someone didn't know or it was a newbie, I can see where you need to be understanding....but if the guy was just being a jerk because he can, that would piss me off too....if I always pay $2 an hour as a repeat customer, and then somebody jacks it up to $5 just to be an azz, I'd be pissed.....

IMHO, just avoid the days he works......
 
Same Here

When I owned my poolhalls, I was the one that gave a price break to a customer...not my employee's;)

Glen


Glen, I was going to say the same thing. That is something for the owner only I believe,
It has happened to me a few times and I tell the customer, that what deals I make are my business and not part of my helpers duties.

Highrun55
 
I like the idea of room membership if it makes economic sense for the pool room owner.

It would definitely make economic sense for the owner. He wants to charge, for example, 7 bucks an hour for table time so he raises the per hour charge up to 8 or 8.50, offers a room membership for 10 bucks a year or what have you, and members pay $7.00 an hour instead of $8.00. Not only does he still get to charge what he originally wanted to charge, he also gets 10 bucks per person out of it....yearly.........and everyone thinks they're getting a good deal by saving a dollar an hour on table time.
MULLY
not to mention that the people that don't buy memberships are paying a buck or a buck fifty more per hour

Another thing here in Japan is that ladies and students, across the board, don't pay as much as men.....that's every day
 
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Glen, I was going to say the same thing. That is something for the owner only I believe,
It has happened to me a few times and I tell the customer, that what deals I make are my business and not part of my helpers duties.

Highrun55

I see what you're saying. I would imagine if its a once in a while hookup for the player, then yes. The owner has the right to charge whatever the hell he wants from the player. My point is if its common practice for the owner and the employees to pro-rate regulars all the time, why should this character decide to be different?
 
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Just my opinion, but I think you're wrong. I've been a die-hard regular at 3 different pool halls throughout my 9 years or so of playing. While every once in a while i wont get charged for an hour or so here or there, or they might stay open an extra half hour to let me finish a set while gambling, i've never expected regular "deals" or "specials" on pool time. Thats how the owners make their income and I've always had enough respect to never complain about pool time, especially if its reasonable to start off with. And how are you getting "screwed" by paying the posted pool time?

BUMP BUMP this thread, as i have owned a room for 12yr, and give breakse when possible, but the LIGHT bill and LEASE must be paid in order for us to keep you a place to play[ or do you want us to up the price???] o wont as long as i can get by!!!!! STICK:confused::confused::confused:
 
Should I just shrug my shoulders and say, "hey, I get hooked up all the time, I'm not gonna b*itch about it."? Or should I be urked at the thought of this guy deliberately being a p*rick to me, knowing better?

Everyone gets a bad roll now and then.

I would politely speak to the owner about it so next time you will be charged what the owner wishes you to be charged.

Willee
 
I see what you're saying. I would imagine if its a once in a while hookup for the player, then yes. The owner has the right to charge whatever the hell he wants from the player. My point is if its common practice for the owner and the employees to pro-rate regulars all the time, why should this character decide to be different?

You're in the wrong.
 
I used to have a special- $7 afternoons $10 at night. You had to pay that up front. If you didn't you had to pay full price. Everyone knew the program. I used to offer it to everyone and explain the rules. I can't tell you how many times I used to have to fight with a regular because he was going to play a "quick set" then get hooked and I would make him pay the full price.

Bob
 
BUMP BUMP this thread, as i have owned a room for 12yr, and give breakse when possible, but the LIGHT bill and LEASE must be paid in order for us to keep you a place to play[ or do you want us to up the price???] o wont as long as i can get by!!!!! STICK:confused::confused::confused:

I'm not looking to bring down business for any room owner. As I've said repeatedly, I love the place and most people in it. I guess my topic really has more to do with "business practice" sort of speak. You know to take care of the regulars because their loyalty has a lot to do with your business staying a float at the end of the year. I don't see why that's a bad thing.
 
We're very lucky, we get full sponsorship for our 2 teams. My wife and I don't pay for table time. Mainly because we spend a fair amount on beer and food. They have told us that we are they're best customers. There has been times when a new waitress has charged us. We just pay and consider that a very small contribution for all we get. In lieu of table time, we try and leave out waitress at least an hr or more in wages to make up.
And also, I'm like Hu. I pick up unused cues and return them, pick up empties from tables and take them to the bar, pick up garbage, etc.
Myself and a few others kind of police the place against abuse.
 
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I'm not looking to bring down business for any room owner. As I've said repeatedly, I love the place and most people in it. I guess my topic really has more to do with "business practice" sort of speak. You know to take care of the regulars because their loyalty has a lot to do with your business staying a float at the end of the year. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

You are not a bad guy. You are just confused because you are not clear on the rules. Talk to the owner about what you can expect to pay in the future and why you are confused. I think (I hope) he would understand. He certainly could help himself by offering "specials" to the regulars.

Bob
 
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