anyone else have video proof of making this shot?

SpiderWebComm said:
Who knows if Bob's balls were polished like a marble or dirty from days of play? Throw some balls in a Diamond polisher with some ball cleaner and buff them like a mirror and that video could have been 10x longer.
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dirty from days of play is fine.

show a video with you simply wiping the inside of the pocket and the ball with a cloth (polish not necessary...just making sure it's not chalked up)....then put it on table...shoot until you make it without a cut in the tape or anything going out of view....then when made...pull the ball out of the pocket...click it against the cue ball and show that both are normal balls. i'd call that minimal evidence. a trusted witness would add to it.

i'll bet.
 
8pack said:
This is pretty much the same shot.I have over cut the pocket a few times.
Its easy,anyone can do it .;)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFjpRjIJCo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

I hit it a little thick but it still went.
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I just did the math....(sorry...I'm a 20 year engineer...I can't help it)

Though that shot is nice,
and cutting it to CENTER of the side pocket (since the distance to the object ball is shorter) would be about 1° tougher,
cutting it to simply make it (accounting for the wider side pocket) make's it almost 1/2° EASIER of a shot than Bob's cut shot.

In the same ballpark...but not quite the same level of difficulty since the cueball is out in the open, allowing a lower and more level cueing, and the distance is shorter allowing more accurate and consistent aiming, and the resulting cut angle to make it is less.

Granted, both are over 90° and I can't make either....but there is a slight difference between the two.

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so here's my totally speculative and dangerously uninformed analysis of the shot:

since I figure most people can strike the cue ball at least 20mph...and I would think the object ball would need to be going a minimum of 1mph to make it to the pocket....

AND assuming the cut angle is a geometric approximation of the exhange of speed (0° or full hit with 20mph cue ball results in object ball at 20mph, 90° cut with 20mph cue ball results in 0mph object ball)then 93° would be the approximate sharpest contact angle allowed at 20mph to achieve the 1mph speed necessary to reach the pocket.

That would mean that the throw adds over 7° of cut angle on the shot Bob cut to the center of the pocket!!
 
jigmoore said:
dirty from days of play is fine.

show a video with you simply wiping the inside of the pocket and the ball with a cloth (polish not necessary...just making sure it's not chalked up)....then put it on table...shoot until you make it without a cut in the tape or anything going out of view....then when made...pull the ball out of the pocket...click it against the cue ball and show that both are normal balls. i'd call that minimal evidence. a trusted witness would add to it.

i'll bet.
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Explain the construct of your bet and I might be in.

Are you saying no one can make it but Bob?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Explain the construct of your bet and I might be in.

Are you saying no one can make it but Bob?
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no, i'm saying noone can make it with even cleanish balls and no other trickery (unlevel table, mispotted, camera parallax error, or cheating of any other sort)

I'm gonna say the closest you can come unaided by any trickery is around 3 inches up the rail (on a 9 foot table), which is almost exactly what I showed in the video of my attempt earlier in the thread.

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8pack said:
This is pretty much the same shot.I have over cut the pocket a few times.
Its easy,anyone can do it .;)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFjpRjIJCo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

I hit it a little thick but it still went.
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one other comment about this shot that 8pack posted. judging from where the cueball went after contact, and knowing the angle between the object and cue balls after contact is always 90°, then you can approximate that the cut angle was only approx 107°...throw accounted for over 17° of additional cut angle. definitely some trickery going on there.

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jigmoore said:
no, i'm saying noone can make it with even cleanish balls and no other trickery (unlevel table, mispotted, camera parallax error, or cheating of any other sort)
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So you are saying Bob cheated to make that shot?
 
Watch the second clip and notice which side of the corner pocket the CB is located.

Move the CB to the center of the pocket, shot can not be made.

It's hard to tell where the CB placement is in the first clip.

Where the CB is placed is the key to this shot.
 
abs said:
So you are saying Bob cheated to make that shot?
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cheating is a harsh word. cheating would be not following the rules of a game or bet. i'm saying that shot cannot be simply cut into the corner within any rules allowed in a normal pool game.
 
duckie said:
Watch the second clip and notice which side of the corner pocket the CB is located.

Move the CB to the center of the pocket, shot can not be made.

It's hard to tell where the CB placement is in the first clip.

Where the CB is placed is the key to this shot.
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yeah, i had noticed that too....and though it helps...until you go fire at this shot for an hour....i'd still let you fire at it with a little variation off perfect center of pocket.

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duckie said:
Watch the second clip and notice which side of the corner pocket the CB is located.

Move the CB to the center of the pocket, shot can not be made.

It's hard to tell where the CB placement is in the first clip.

Where the CB is placed is the key to this shot.
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I've always shot the shot with the cue ball centered but moved directly towards the object ball to avoid being so elevated. Moving the cue ball along that line towards the object ball makes the shot a harder cut angle. I did not shoot the shot from the side of the pocket.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I've always shot the shot with the cue ball centered but moved directly towards the object ball to avoid being so elevated. Moving the cue ball along that line towards the object ball makes the shot a harder cut angle. I did not shoot the shot from the side of the pocket.
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i agree. those pockets look pretty narrow for reference sake...any off center was minimal if any and could probably be just blamed off on parallax error.

also, the amount you move it towards the spot probably negates any side to side variation.

i shot it some more today, bob. i hate you. :D

frustration defined
 
$TAKE HOR$E said:
I was just talking about this exact shot the other night. I have seen this shot made many times, on a tight GC. I also recall seeing someone set that shot up but cut it back into the side pocket, not for sure on that one though.
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I have seen Vernon Elliot make it both ways with the cue ball in the jaws.
 
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