At the End of the 14.1 World

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I can't wait to see how many 100 and over runs the 9-ball players get in this tournament. I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn. I feel any top tier pro will run over a hundred the first week he plays it if he really tries. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I can't wait to see how many 100 and over runs the 9-ball players get in this tournament. I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn. I feel any top tier pro will run over a hundred the first week he plays it if he really tries. Johnnyt
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You're putting the cart before the horse, son. If you wanna be a top tier pro, you have to run 100 balls first. If you haven't, you're not in the top tier.
 
Terry Ardeno said:
"Son"??? :eek:

Oh WW, if you only knew.....


Yikes :D
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Well, I'd be surprised if an older gentleman would say something so naive. Perhaps it's my own downfall but I thought it was only youth we needed to educate.
 
Wyoming Will said:
You're putting the cart before the horse, son. If you wanna be a top tier pro, you have to run 100 balls first. If you haven't, you're not in the top tier.
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I got your son swinging. Johnnyt
 
It's like calling John Wayne "son"....it just don't fit.

Wyoming Will said:
Well, I'd be surprised if an older gentleman would say something so naive. Perhaps it's my own downfall but I thought it was only youth we needed to educate.
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W.W.,
Age is not the issue here w/ JohnnyT.
Let's see if I can put this "delicately"....JohnnyT is a very knowledgeable, street savvy, honest to you know who "tough guy" who is much revered here at AZB. Calling a man of his caliber "son" is sort of like the guy who sings the jing-a-ling for "Free Credit Report.com" (the one where they're playing guitars in the seafood joint and the old couple gives them a dirty look as they're eating) calling Frank Sinatra 'son".

I know you meant him no dis-respect, as I mean you none with my replies. It's just awful funny to read somebody calling a man of his status "son."

As one of JohnnyT's tush-hogs in good standing, I'll offer an explanation for his initial post. His thinking is if great 9 ballers like Archer and Reyes can run 100 after only a few tries at the game, then possibly other greats can follow suit.

Your point is that with all the nuances of shot selection and key ball and break angles, etc, that such a premise is ludicrous at worst and highly unlikely at best.

It has been done before, so it's possible for others to accomplish the 100+ goal. Something else to consider....14.1 is experiencing a renaissance of sorts and more & more pros have been trying their hand at that particular game. I'm sure that they've been practicing the weak areas of their 14.1 games, and I guess that when they break the rack in the tournament, we shall all find out soon enough who's capable of what.

And W.W., I sent you some good rep as a "welcome token" in lieu of the wrapped in newspaper carp that somebody may have slipped a biker chick a 50 spot to toss thru your window at 0400! :smile:
 
Terry Ardeno said:
W.W.,
Age is not the issue here w/ JohnnyT.
Let's see if I can put this "delicately"....JohnnyT is a very knowledgeable, street savvy, honest to you know who "tough guy" who is much revered here at AZB. Calling a man of his caliber "son" is sort of like the guy who sings the jing-a-ling for "Free Credit Report.com" (the one where they're playing guitars in the seafood joint and the old couple gives them a dirty look as they're eating) calling Frank Sinatra 'son".

I know you meant him no dis-respect, as I mean you none with my replies. It's just awful funny to read somebody calling a man of his status "son."

As one of JohnnyT's tush-hogs in good standing, I'll offer an explanation for his initial post. His thinking is if great 9 ballers like Archer and Reyes can run 100 after only a few tries at the game, then possibly other greats can follow suit.

Your point is that with all the nuances of shot selection and key ball and break angles, etc, that such a premise is ludicrous at worst and highly unlikely at best.

It has been done before, so it's possible for others to accomplish the 100+ goal. Something else to consider....14.1 is experiencing a renaissance of sorts and more & more pros have been trying their hand at that particular game. I'm sure that they've been practicing the weak areas of their 14.1 games, and I guess that when they break the rack in the tournament, we shall all find out soon enough who's capable of what.

And W.W., I sent you some good rep as a "welcome token" in lieu of the wrapped in newspaper carp that somebody may have slipped a biker chick a 50 spot to toss thru your window at 0400! :smile:
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How delicate of you Terry. :grin:
 
jay helfert said:
How delicate of you Terry. :grin:
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I would do the exact same thing for you, my west coast comrade! Or Blackjack, Smorg, Hu, JoeyA, SJM,etc, etc.

I also suspect that W.W. is going to like it here and be a good contributor. He'll catch on what we mean soon enough. :wink:
 
Johnnyt said:
I can't wait to see how many 100 and over runs the 9-ball players get in this tournament. I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn. I feel any top tier pro will run over a hundred the first week he plays it if he really tries. Johnnyt
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I have to disagree that 14.1 is the easiest game to learn. The top pro 9 ballers will certainly run 100 balls in their first week if trying/practice, but that won't make them a great straight pool player. It will take tons more than that to play 14.1 at the top level.
 
Johnnyt said:
I can't wait to see how many 100 and over runs the 9-ball players get in this tournament. I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn. I feel any top tier pro will run over a hundred the first week he plays it if he really tries. Johnnyt
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I mostly agree with you since we've already seen this with so many professional players that didn't grow up with 14.1 shoot big numbers. At the Amsterdam 14.1 in NYC (National 14.1 CHampionship won by Ginky in 1999), there were so many odd 100+ ball runs it was scary. Odd meaning that they weren't typical 14.1 runs. Warp speed break shots. Banks and kicks.

But, the table is the big key. On some relatively big pockets (4 3/4" or bigger!) it doesn't seem to be a big deal for pro 9-ball players to break 100. But, at the 4 1/2", I think the going word is that even Shane hasn't broken a 100 yet, and he's been trying. The 14.1 Challenge at the DCC has IMO become the benchmark for what straight pool runs are about.

Also I just noticed that the games are to 100 (at least in the early rounds). So, the chance of running 100 is lessened, while running over a 100 becomes nearly impossible (but not impossible).


Fred <~~~ wonders what kind of 14.1 tournament goes to 100?
 
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Terry has SO much class, he probably steps out of the shower to piss in the toilet.

Reading Terry's soothing, passive aggressive reply was as enjoyable as getting your knees busted up by a hot porn star.

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You're my favorite Terry! Obama should pick you to be the head ambassador to the U.N.

Edit: I agree with Johnnyt.... if you never miss a ball, such as the top 9-ballers, running a 100 isn't as wishful as one would think. I know bunch of local nobodies who no one ever heard of than can run 100--- and they're not Bustamante.
 
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selftaut said:
I have to disagree that 14.1 is the easiest game to learn. The top pro 9 ballers will certainly run 100 balls in their first week if trying/practice, but that won't make them a great straight pool player. It will take tons more than that to play 14.1 at the top level.
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Kevin, I think you're mincing JohnnyT's words a bit. I don't think he even hinted that they would be "great straight pool players."

And it is the easiest game to learn. Or one of the easiest. To run a hundred, that's not easy. But running a hundred is different than learning to play it. But he specifically said "At their level." I think you're thinking amateurs and neophytes.


If you're already a world class pocket billiard player, which game is hardest and easiest to learn: 14.1 or one pocket, banks, snooker? I'd say one-pocket is the hardest. 14.1 probably the easiest.

Fred
 
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WW is absolutely correct. Who was it that only recently started playing straight pool? I think Mike Davis, but I'm not sure. Then he ran 100 on his first try or something (maybe at DCC?). The guy was famous before, not as "top tier" but as "top amateur." But then, as soon as he ran that hundred, everybody suddenly started saying he was a top guy.

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Wait, that was in bizarro world. Sorrry.
 
arsenius said:
WW is absolutely correct. Who was it that only recently started playing straight pool? I think Mike Davis, but I'm not sure. Then he ran 100 on his first try or something (maybe at DCC?). The guy was famous before, not as "top tier" but as "top amateur." But then, as soon as he ran that hundred, everybody suddenly started saying he was a top guy.

...

Wait, that was in bizarro world. Sorrry.
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Oh, and I forgot completely about Johnny Archer. Nobody really gave him any respect AT ALL before his first straight pool event where he ran 150 and out, having only started playing 14.1 a week or two before. But afterwards, the world was abuzz.

That's what it took for Johnny, yup!
 
I completely agree with Fred's post. The shotmakers will always have an easier time with 14.1 than they would with 1-pocket.

Johnny Archer may be known as a 9 ball player, but when he practices - he plays 14.1.

The game of straight pool is challenging to everybody that plays it, and the champions thrive on that challenge.

As the tournament goes on, the 14.1 elite (Hohmann, Harriman, Feijen, See,Sigel, Hopkins, Ortmann, Souquet, Engert, Schmidt, Hunter) will always rise to the top due to their experience.

As a high run goes on, the mind grows weary. The elite have strengthened their minds to go and go and go - and that is what will separate them from the players that mostly play rotation games.

As far as this tournament goes, myself and many others have picked Niels Feijen to win this thing. He is simply PHENOMENAL - and unstoppable when he gets into the balls and starts and starts to dissect layout after layout. He ran a 91 and out against Danny yesterday. Pretty strong! I hope Niels can finally win HIS FIRST World Championship. He is long overdue!

For those of you that want to watch some 14.1 played by the best players in the world, I have several videos posted on Google and Veoh and Youtube.

Niels Feijen - 116 Ball Run

Niels Fejen - 130 Ball Run

Thorsten Hohmann - 98 Ball Run

Johnny Archer - 41 & 50 Ball Run

Johnny Archer - 56 Ball Run
 
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Cornerman said:
Kevin, I think you're mincing JohnnyT's words a bit. I don't think he even hinted that they would be "great straight pool players."

And it is the easiest game to learn. Or one of the easiest. To run a hundred, that's not easy. But running a hundred is different than learning to play it. But he specifically said "At their level." I think you're thinking amateurs and neophytes.


If you're already a world class pocket billiard player, which game is hardest and easiest to learn: 14.1 or one pocket, banks, snooker? I'd say one-pocket is the hardest. 14.1 probably the easiest.

Fred
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Thank you Fred. I in no way said or meant that a top 9-ball player will be a 14.1 champ in a week. I just meant that they could make high runs of a 100 or more in a week. If you run a 100 in a tournament you are going to win a lot of matches. I played all the games. Three cushion, 14.1, 6,8, and 9-ball. One of my favorites was 15-ball rotation, but I played 14.1 for years and know there are a lot of moves and shots in it that even a top pro won't learn in months much less a week. Johnnyt

I also agree that 100 points is too short for 14.1 tournaments. This is a World 14.1 championship:rolleyes:
 
Johnnyt said:
Thank you Fred. I in no way said or meant that a top 9-ball player will be a 14.1 champ in a week. I just meant that they could make high runs of a 100 or more in a week. If you run a 100 in a tournament you are going to win a lot of matches. I played all the games. Three cushion, 14.1, 6,8, and 9-ball. One of my favorites was 15-ball rotation, but I played 14.1 for years and know there are a lot of moves and shots in it that even a top pro won't learn in months much less a week. Johnnyt

I also agree that 100 points is too short for 14.1 tournaments. This is a World 14.1 championship:rolleyes:
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I agree 100 points is too short, but as I recall... When I was a kid 14.1 was king and the typical tournament was only to 100. Am I mistake or was that the case?
 
Steve Ellis said:
I agree 100 points is too short, but as I recall... When I was a kid 14.1 was king and the typical tournament was only to 100. Am I mistake or was that the case?
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I didn't play in many 14.1 tourny's Steve but I believe it was 125 in the NY area. Johnnyt
 
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