You gotta make up your mind.
In one post you say "I will bet he didn't even know about it" and in the next post you say "Of course he knows by now!" Hopefully, JA will respond to this thread when the US Open is over.
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You gotta make up your mind.
In one post you say "I will bet he didn't even know about it" and in the next post you say "Of course he knows by now!" Hopefully, JA will respond to this thread when the US Open is over.
ABP press release
Poolsharkallen-
PLEASE read my original post. It clearly says 'I will bet he DID not even know about it'.
It did not not say 'he DOES not know about it!'
Please do not try to twist what I said. Maybe go back and read post #213 again.
I was (obviously) referring to my feelings that I feel JA did not know about the press release when it was released- which was 7 days ago.
I will agree that e knows by NOW!
Mark griffin
You gotta make up your mind.
Hopefully, JA will respond to this thread when the US Open is over.
Poolsharkallen-
PLEASE read my original post. It clearly says 'I will bet he DID not even know about it'.
It did not not say 'he DOES not know about it!'
Please do not try to twist what I said. Maybe go back and read post #213 again.
I was (obviously) referring to my feelings that I feel JA did not know about the press release when it was released- which was 7 days ago.
I will agree that e knows by NOW!
Mark griffin
Clearly, you are kidding!
ABP press release
Hi Joel,
We have never met - but mutual acquaintances have told me about you. BTW they spoke highly of you.:smile:
One thing you should probably know about me is that I rarely BS anyone.
So ------ no, I am not kidding!
Mark Griffin
(just boggles the mind - ya know??)
Hi Joel,
We have never met - but mutual acquaintances have told me about you. BTW they spoke highly of you.:smile:
One thing you should probably know about me is that I rarely BS anyone.
So ------ no, I am not kidding!
Mark Griffin
(just boggles the mind - ya know??)
would like to meet up someday
I imagine we have a number of things in common, boggled minds being among them
Hi Jay...I know was just keeping my comments focused more as to why pool in general is not on TV in the US. Didn't think it was relevant to go into that level of detail about how it is with Sky. The US is a pool island living on nuts and berries while Asia and Europe are a different situation. Comparing the two is literally apples to bananas these days. The mainstream sports media has zero interest in pool at this juncture...sure they'll put it on, but on our dime and an expensive dime it is. So...back to my second paragraph about alternatives in technology being used in an expanded way...that might have merit. If we keep beating a dead horse and a horse that's shown no interest...are we really that masochistic as a group? That is just energy wasted, time to spend our energies more creatively and hopefully productively.
Holly, I like your posts, so I regret to inform you:
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Hate to say it Justin, but you're a business minded person among many of the opposite type. Your logical conclusion doesn't make sense to emotionally controlled individuals. That's just not how they work odd as it may seem to people like us.
I got a big question here, and I'm sure it's been answered in some way shape form w/e..
If pool is so so amazing over there, than how come someone doesn't show some big time potential sponsors some serious numbers about what it CAN be over HERE? Has there just not been someone with enough diplomatic skills to pull this off?
I think its just around the corner, in the next couple yrs or less. Too many great players in Asia that haven't even ''come out'' because of cost and no real need too yet. Once the template for it's success on tv is in place, I've always said, then ironically, we will Copy them, like they have been doing to us for years with product and design. How ironic if it plays out that way.
It's not feasible to do so.
In Brazil, the sports fans love their soccer, but soccer doesn't have as strong a following here in the United States. I would predict that soccer is shown on live television broadcasts much more so in Brazil than in America.
In Asian countries, the sports fans love their pool. Pool does not have as strong a following here in the United States. Pool shown on live television broadcasts here in America would be a loss of revenue since mainstream America does not fancy pool as a sport.
It is quite different, however, in America when it comes to baseball, football, college sports, golf, tennis, and even lawn more racing contests. Pool takes a back seat to these so-called "sports events."
Again, you can put whipped cream on a hot dog, but not everybody likes hot dogs. It doesn't matter how much you dress it up. If Americans don't like hot dogs, they ain't eating 'em.
What may work in America television for pool is an entertainment approach a la Willie Mosconi versus Minnesota Fats. Their battles on a field of green drew a lot of attention. There is nothing like that in existence today.
Mainstream America sees pool today as emotionless tournament soldiers shooting like robots. There's no color, no emotion, nothing exciting about it to the average Joe or Jane.
Of course, I agree with you, Island Drive.
That said, I cannot see ESPN or any other broadcast media willing to have the Mosconi Cup televised in the United States, whether it is live or pre-recorded, due to the lack of interest the non-industry sponsors have.
It takes money to broadcast on American national television. Who's going to foot the bill?
does this sound familiar?
JAM,
I used to be very interested in all types of roundy-round racing, watch occasionally now. I was flipping between a ball game and the indy car race the driver was killed in last weekend. Senseless death and could have easily been foretold. Many many years ago they tested an indy car at Daytona and realized that the indy cars and high banks were a recipe for disaster.
Anyway, reading about this I saw that the people running indy car racing had actually leased the track because the normal owners and promoters weren't interested in the race. An end of the year championship race with the championship still on the line, a five million dollar bonus up for grabs, cars racing at over 200 mph inches apart, the slightest mistake, mechanical failure or just a little "bad air" and a multi-car horrendous crash was just a given; naah not enough interest. Watching the footage I saw the truth, the stands were 80-90% empty at a generous estimate. The promoter was struggling to achieve a 0.8 market share on TV too.
I hate to say it but when today's blood loving audience won't even come to the arena or watch on TV to see gladiators get killed in crashes that put most special effects to shame I don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell of persuading them to watch pool. Can't really blame them, pool players as a whole don't watch pool either. I rarely watch a few minutes of streaming myself anymore, free or PPV. No audience, no sponsors. No sponsors no money and no real pro sport.
Pool doesn't have the novelty or excitement to compete with the hundreds of things fighting for people's attention and the sponsorship dollars now. Aside from everything else, what little appeal pool has is to the demographic that sponsors are least interested in.
The one small hope is somebody tying the amateur game to the pro sport and taking money from the amateur game to the pro sport with the pro's giving back to the amateurs for the cash they receive and the amateurs having a path from the game to the sport. I can't imagine anyone trying to work with the disorganized mess and competing personalities that makes up pro pool as a sound business decision though. Somebody taking on the project would have to be guided more by their heart than their head and that isn't too far from the billionaire sugar daddy many daydream will come along to make things work for pro pool.
My best guess, we see pro pool continue to lose ground in the US, replaced by professional eating contests and bean bag throwing competitions. Nothing but a fluke will cause a rebirth of pro pool. It could be rebuilt from the inside but people who can't eat today have a hard time taking a long view and doing what is good for pool five, ten, even twenty years down the road. Of course we could have started down that path decades ago and be reaping the benefits now. Decades from now I suspect somebody else will be saying, "if only somebody would have acted back in 2011 things could be so different now" but they aren't going to do anything for the future of the sport either. They too will be too busy scheming how they are going to pay this month's bills or stall off enough of them to survive another month.
Hu
JAM,
I used to be very interested in all types of roundy-round racing, watch occasionally now. I was flipping between a ball game and the indy car race the driver was killed in last weekend. Senseless death and could have easily been foretold. Many many years ago they tested an indy car at Daytona and realized that the indy cars and high banks were a recipe for disaster.
Anyway, reading about this I saw that the people running indy car racing had actually leased the track because the normal owners and promoters weren't interested in the race. An end of the year championship race with the championship still on the line, a five million dollar bonus up for grabs, cars racing at over 200 mph inches apart, the slightest mistake, mechanical failure or just a little "bad air" and a multi-car horrendous crash was just a given; naah not enough interest. Watching the footage I saw the truth, the stands were 80-90% empty at a generous estimate. The promoter was struggling to achieve a 0.8 market share on TV too.
I hate to say it but when today's blood loving audience won't even come to the arena or watch on TV to see gladiators get killed in crashes that put most special effects to shame I don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell of persuading them to watch pool. Can't really blame them, pool players as a whole don't watch pool either. I rarely watch a few minutes of streaming myself anymore, free or PPV. No audience, no sponsors. No sponsors no money and no real pro sport.
Pool doesn't have the novelty or excitement to compete with the hundreds of things fighting for people's attention and the sponsorship dollars now. Aside from everything else, what little appeal pool has is to the demographic that sponsors are least interested in.
The one small hope is somebody tying the amateur game to the pro sport and taking money from the amateur game to the pro sport with the pro's giving back to the amateurs for the cash they receive and the amateurs having a path from the game to the sport. I can't imagine anyone trying to work with the disorganized mess and competing personalities that makes up pro pool as a sound business decision though. Somebody taking on the project would have to be guided more by their heart than their head and that isn't too far from the billionaire sugar daddy many daydream will come along to make things work for pro pool.
My best guess, we see pro pool continue to lose ground in the US, replaced by professional eating contests and bean bag throwing competitions. Nothing but a fluke will cause a rebirth of pro pool. It could be rebuilt from the inside but people who can't eat today have a hard time taking a long view and doing what is good for pool five, ten, even twenty years down the road. Of course we could have started down that path decades ago and be reaping the benefits now. Decades from now I suspect somebody else will be saying, "if only somebody would have acted back in 2011 things could be so different now" but they aren't going to do anything for the future of the sport either. They too will be too busy scheming how they are going to pay this month's bills or stall off enough of them to survive another month.
Hu
Well said, Hu. I tried to green-rep you, but this doggone forum software said I have to spread it around some more. Sheesh!
Thanks for the great read! :smile:
I still say Jay Helfert is right about showing the MC in the US live. People will watch and cheer for their country. To push the envelope a bit further I believe six pro teams (to start with) of five players each from six different states or regions would get some viewers to watch tv and back/root for their teams. Johnnyt
What you're asking is a completely legitimate question.
A viewship has not been built in the US to date. There have been several attempts to bring pool to the televised masses, both traditional games and matches and some quirky formats. Unfortunately they did not find an audience. Until it can be proven that pool has a broader viewership, the networks and stations understandably steer clear.
In the 90's pool was on the rise in the US. While now there may be more tournaments locally, regionally and nationally than before, the US pool community is becoming more insular.
There are however those that do try very hard to build up the sport. Several do work together for the betterment of the sport and undustry all the while trying to avoid the bombs being lobbed at them here and there from others with more personal agendas. I've seen first hand throughout the years when those offers to work together (the proverbial olive branch...let's all work together) to the bomb throwers and seen the branch rebuked out of either fear, selfishness, or greed.
Until as an industry we have our act together more consistantly, then we can tackle some of those other issues such as broadening the sports appeal in the US.
Jam also made a great analogy with Soccer in another post on this thread, which is very true.
I think the software is rigged!
JAM,
I'm pretty sure the software is rigged. It won't let me rep you most the times I try either.
Wish I could put up a great read about the future of pool. That is a pretty bleak outlook I posted. Unfortunately I can't see anything sustainable happening to make pool a viable pro sport.
Hu
Well said, Hu. I tried to green-rep you, but this doggone forum software said I have to spread it around some more. Sheesh!
Thanks for the great read! :smile:
JAM,
I'm pretty sure the software is rigged. It won't let me rep you most the times I try either.
Wish I could put up a great read about the future of pool. That is a pretty bleak outlook I posted. Unfortunately I can't see anything sustainable happening to make pool a viable pro sport.
Hu
Couldn't agree with you more johnny. The American sports fan likes the dynamics of team sports and can relate. A professional pool league of teams could create a more compelling TV event.