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French Housewives have a saying allegedly "You dont look behind the door unless you have been there"
When we were out to dinner last night, Rodney and I were talking and it was brought up plain and simple about late fees and also because of a remark Sunny posted on my Facebook picture otherwise the comment Sunny made would never have been mentioned. Rodney is my friend and if you say something about my friend then just know I will be relaying the information if I feel like it and would expect my friends to do the same for me. I did not run back to tell the guy right away especially since we were around one another for days and it was not mentioned and might not have but it came up in conversation just last night. Whether it was wishing he had never won or not wanting to see him win is little difference and Orcollo was never mentioned, either way it should not have been said and was wrong. What was mentioned was that you felt that way because of his posting on Facebook where Rodney was unhappy with the late fees that some promoters charge.
I thought Mark and Sunny were okay with me as we were always friendly but since I am affiliated with Bonus Ball all I got was cold shoulders at the event which I guess should not have surprised me one bit that it really has all been taken personally. Justin did buy me a beer and we bullshitted for a few minutes steering clear of Bonus Ball talk and I respect him for that because things on this forum got stupid but in all reality it is just a forum.
To be honest all the drama and pool politics is a bit disgusting, it is okay to have your personal opinions and even state them if you like but it appears many are taking this all personally from top to bottom in the industry. The thing I hated most was if you think Bonus Ball was going to bury itself then just let it do it and not cast stones because Bonus Ball never threw the first one and was not even on here posting threads, that was lead by forum members and many are just the same people in every thread. The only thing that was asked was to be open minded, patient and give it a chance if your a fan of the pro players.
If you all knew what the players really thought about things you would all be stunned because not all the crap and drivel you hear by respected and long time members is true and some of it lacks any real substance, it is purely opinion and gossip if you did not know with not much fact to back it up. I have seen more misinformation posted on here in the past few months then all the years I have been on the forum or maybe all the other crap in the past was misinformation too but I just had no clue until now.
The BS about scheduling on top of events is a joke, it did not affect Tunica negatively and the US Open events in Vegas before the BB hiatus were on course to do the same or better numbers as last year. The BS about possibly barring players or making events invitationals is sad too because the players should be allowed to have opinions on things and not be penalized for it. I do hope if BB gets back at it that they do take more events into consideration with scheduling but ultimately it is their choice as a business.
Trust me when I say I do not think Mark, Sunny, Justin or anyone involved with CSI is a bad person or anything like that, I actually liked all of them. It was just not professional though for Mark to go on a podcast and put down others in the industry or bash others efforts. Bonus Ball did not come on here talking crap about others first and putting down others efforts and events. I cannot believe how blind people are to not see that or to think just because it is a respected industry leader that its okay to act that way and support that type of behavior. Get players on the podcast and pick their brains instead because that is what people want to see, we have enough gossip, negativity and rumors on this forum as it is.
I do respect Mark and the fact that he pays the players, he could do like the APA and not have pro events which to me makes the BCA a better league that is geared towards real players and fans. The event was fantastic and I enjoyed watching some great pool. I support everyone in the industry that pays the players period but I do not support the bashing of others who are trying to do something positive. If all the promoters and top dogs in this industry got together they could support 32 of the top pro players because the money is there to do it and also they have the business sense to make it profitable too, it does not have to be one guy being the savior when it could be a collective group. Good luck to everyone in the industry, remember the players need it the most. I try not to take it personally about these pool politics but it is why pool is where it is at today. Signing off now.
I thought Mark and Sunny were okay with me as we were always friendly but since I am affiliated with Bonus Ball all I got was cold shoulders at the event which I guess should not have surprised me one bit that it really has all been taken personally. Justin did buy me a beer and we bullshitted for a few minutes steering clear of Bonus Ball talk and I respect him for that because things on this forum got stupid but in all reality it is just a forum.
To be honest all the drama and pool politics is a bit disgusting, it is okay to have your personal opinions and even state them if you like but it appears many are taking this all personally from top to bottom in the industry. The thing I hated most was if you think Bonus Ball was going to bury itself then just let it do it and not cast stones because Bonus Ball never threw the first one and was not even on here posting threads, that was lead by forum members and many are just the same people in every thread. The only thing that was asked was to be open minded, patient and give it a chance if your a fan of the pro players.
If you all knew what the players really thought about things you would all be stunned because not all the crap and drivel you hear by respected and long time members is true and some of it lacks any real substance, it is purely opinion and gossip if you did not know with not much fact to back it up. I have seen more misinformation posted on here in the past few months then all the years I have been on the forum or maybe all the other crap in the past was misinformation too but I just had no clue until now.
The BS about scheduling on top of events is a joke, it did not affect Tunica negatively and the US Open events in Vegas before the BB hiatus were on course to do the same or better numbers as last year. The BS about possibly barring players or making events invitationals is sad too because the players should be allowed to have opinions on things and not be penalized for it. I do hope if BB gets back at it that they do take more events into consideration with scheduling but ultimately it is their choice as a business.
Trust me when I say I do not think Mark, Sunny, Justin or anyone involved with CSI is a bad person or anything like that, I actually liked all of them. It was just not professional though for Mark to go on a podcast and put down others in the industry or bash others efforts. Bonus Ball did not come on here talking crap about others first and putting down others efforts and events. I cannot believe how blind people are to not see that or to think just because it is a respected industry leader that its okay to act that way and support that type of behavior. Get players on the podcast and pick their brains instead because that is what people want to see, we have enough gossip, negativity and rumors on this forum as it is.
I do respect Mark and the fact that he pays the players, he could do like the APA and not have pro events which to me makes the BCA a better league that is geared towards real players and fans. The event was fantastic and I enjoyed watching some great pool. I support everyone in the industry that pays the players period but I do not support the bashing of others who are trying to do something positive. If all the promoters and top dogs in this industry got together they could support 32 of the top pro players because the money is there to do it and also they have the business sense to make it profitable too, it does not have to be one guy being the savior when it could be a collective group. Good luck to everyone in the industry, remember the players need it the most. I try not to take it personally about these pool politics but it is why pool is where it is at today. Signing off now.
Lenny - does that mean my story with the ambassador of pool will be relayed?
Here was verbatim the conversation -
Me - hey Rodney remember when your ID had to be sent back to you from Missouri last year?
Rodney - yes
Me - well that was me that sent it back to you. Just wanted to introduce myself
Rodney - thanks I appreciate it. (He turns to leave never extending his hand for even a handshake)
Me - (attempting to prolong the conversation). Congrats on your win in the 10 ball
Rodney - yeah, I was due for a victory after 18 years (he whirls to go sit back next to the BB kingpin).
Here was verbatim the conversation -
Me - hey Rodney remember when your ID had to be sent back to you from Missouri last year?
Rodney - yes
Me - well that was me that sent it back to you. Just wanted to introduce myself
Rodney - thanks I appreciate it. (He turns to leave never extending his hand for even a handshake)
Me - (attempting to prolong the conversation). Congrats on your win in the 10 ball
Rodney - yeah, I was due for a victory after 18 years (he whirls to go sit back next to the BB kingpin).
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You are right I was trying to be humorous. Perhaps I should go back to lurking.
BB If you get advertisers, I will watch especially if you focus on team play. Faster play with teams vocalizing is a whole new thing for pool I think it could go in the mainstream build it and get eyes on the product people will watch especially if it is ever on TV live.
Good luck Bonus Ball players, company and hopefully new investors.
Probably not since I believe he reads the forums and you posted this publicly. :wink:
Lenny,
I did not give you cold shoulders OR I would not had talked to you about Rodney business in the first place! We chat very often on fb even after you joined BB, so I don't know what you mean that I gave you cold shoulder.
The comment that I posted on your facebook picture, I meant every word of it. Fact one, CSI's checks are always good and good to cash on the spot! You cannot deny that.
Fact two, at the time you guys were saying the Bonus Ball would resume 1 August and no one had gotten paid yet. So I said it should hold you guys over until Bonus Ball picks up.
Quote by Lenny: If you all knew what the players really thought about things you would all be stunned
And maybe, we do hear lot more than you think. Certain pro players complained that Mark should had added more money, Mark makes too much money (which is non of their business or they should try to do what Mark does!), that our staff was rude, complaints about tables not being cleaned after EVERY match... and get this...no special pro lounge with special banquet spread... And by the way, none had the decency to come to talk to Mark themselves but post it on facebook or some medial form when Mark always had an open door policy! He always was glad to talk to players and improve. He did not become where he is today without making changes or two.
So do you blame Mark when he says he's tired of dealing with it? All I know is no one loves pool more than Mark! He is the only one who digs into his own pocket to put on Pro Events that most don't even appreciate.
It blows my mind, Bonus Ball is the one who lied to all the players and fail to pay them but who's under the heat?
Mark added total of $60,000 ($10,000/ one pocket, $25,000/ 10 ball, $25,000 8 ball), to Pro Events which ALL have been cashed already and it's Mark who's the bad guy? Do you see any other League Owners doing anything to support the pro pool?
S. G.
I did not give you cold shoulders OR I would not had talked to you about Rodney business in the first place! We chat very often on fb even after you joined BB, so I don't know what you mean that I gave you cold shoulder.
The comment that I posted on your facebook picture, I meant every word of it. Fact one, CSI's checks are always good and good to cash on the spot! You cannot deny that.
Fact two, at the time you guys were saying the Bonus Ball would resume 1 August and no one had gotten paid yet. So I said it should hold you guys over until Bonus Ball picks up.
Quote by Lenny: If you all knew what the players really thought about things you would all be stunned
And maybe, we do hear lot more than you think. Certain pro players complained that Mark should had added more money, Mark makes too much money (which is non of their business or they should try to do what Mark does!), that our staff was rude, complaints about tables not being cleaned after EVERY match... and get this...no special pro lounge with special banquet spread... And by the way, none had the decency to come to talk to Mark themselves but post it on facebook or some medial form when Mark always had an open door policy! He always was glad to talk to players and improve. He did not become where he is today without making changes or two.
So do you blame Mark when he says he's tired of dealing with it? All I know is no one loves pool more than Mark! He is the only one who digs into his own pocket to put on Pro Events that most don't even appreciate.
It blows my mind, Bonus Ball is the one who lied to all the players and fail to pay them but who's under the heat?
Mark added total of $60,000 ($10,000/ one pocket, $25,000/ 10 ball, $25,000 8 ball), to Pro Events which ALL have been cashed already and it's Mark who's the bad guy? Do you see any other League Owners doing anything to support the pro pool?
S. G.
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I like how the BB cheerleaders are putting blame on people who had the crazy notion to actually know how to add expenses and subtract from potential market revenue then were just so terrible as to say "Two plus two does not equal four million. Maybe you guys should see some money here."
Then after being attacked and ridiculed by new usernames popping up with an interesting fascination with the balls of bonus those people are proven to have an idea what the hell they were talking about and now get labeled as "Whats wrong with pool."
This is such a sweetheart of an industry.
By the way there is so much bullshit going on behind the scenes the last two weeks it would stagger your bonus ball loving mind. I won't air any of it here though. I also will not forget any of it.
<-------whats wrong with pool
Sunny's shoulders are what's wrong with pool.
If the guys that really actually pay out, could just really actually pay out as good as the people that don't pay out promise, then things would be great. Problem is, as we are seeing, those that promise so much better than the people that actually pay, don't pay so good.
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All these threads have to go there by Federal law. Just wanted to get it over with early so we could bring on the dog pictures and video links.
Your efforts and Mark's ARE appreciated and do not go unnoticed! Despite cry's from the peanut gallery from time to time!
Sincerely,
KD
You sound just a little frustrated. I wonder why.
Thanks for what you do man and please don't let them get you down.
Kevin
Tap Tap Tap
The solution will be like the Pledge of Allegiance, it starts with "I"
It's like in the consulting business, if we want to know what the problem is in a company or association we simply look up the ladder, the top "rung" is usually "it".
The solution will be like the Pledge of Allegiance, it starts with "I", and ends with "All".
The Pro players have very little to do with anything that happens in the world of pool, including the prize funds, equipment, rules, accommodations, scheduling, etc. Then, when there's a problem with one of these components the "fingers" quickly point at the Pros???
This all makes perfect sense. :thumbup:
It's like in the consulting business, if we want to know what the problem is in a company or association we simply look up the ladder, the top "rung" is usually "it".
The solution will be like the Pledge of Allegiance, it starts with "I", and ends with "All".
The Pro players have very little to do with anything that happens in the world of pool, including the prize funds, equipment, rules, accommodations, scheduling, etc. Then, when there's a problem with one of these components the "fingers" quickly point at the Pros???
This all makes perfect sense. :thumbup: