BCA Hall of Fame 2008 nominations?
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There are obviously qualifications to enter any legitimate Hall Of Fame. The following is a direct quote from the BCA website:
"Two categories have been established in BCA's Hall of Fame. The Greatest Player category shall be reserved for outstanding players who have been active in national or international competition for at least 20 years and have won at least one national or international championship. The Meritorious Service category shall be reserved for those who have made lasting, memorable and important contributions to billiards."
This may explain why some of the names mentioned in this thread have been passed over so far.
"Two categories have been established in BCA's Hall of Fame. The Greatest Player category shall be reserved for outstanding players who have been active in national or international competition for at least 20 years and have won at least one national or international championship. The Meritorious Service category shall be reserved for those who have made lasting, memorable and important contributions to billiards."
This may explain why some of the names mentioned in this thread have been passed over so far.
Lets look at who is eleigible to be inducted.
I believe that Hopkins and Parica should top the list - we also Grady Mathews, David Howard (come on, Little David won 2 US Opens and he's never mentioned) Billy Incardona, Danny Diliberto, Louie Roberts, Mike Lebron, DON WILLIS, Kim Davenport, Johnny Archer, Jeanette Lee, and I believe that Allison Fisher will soon be eligible for induction (I think next year).
Also for promoting our sport - Joe Kerr - Pat Fleming - and definitely PEG LEDMAN.
I believe that Hopkins and Parica should top the list - we also Grady Mathews, David Howard (come on, Little David won 2 US Opens and he's never mentioned) Billy Incardona, Danny Diliberto, Louie Roberts, Mike Lebron, DON WILLIS, Kim Davenport, Johnny Archer, Jeanette Lee, and I believe that Allison Fisher will soon be eligible for induction (I think next year).
Also for promoting our sport - Joe Kerr - Pat Fleming - and definitely PEG LEDMAN.
Allison Fisher
My vote goes to Allison Fisher, the formal WPBA president for many years when women players have successfully helped to bring pool to the large public audience under her leadership.
In addition, she has won over 50 titles, inspired all players and embraced a large fan base from all over the world. We want a positive role model like herself to promote our sport at large.
This is a pure personal opinion from myself.
My vote goes to Allison Fisher, the formal WPBA president for many years when women players have successfully helped to bring pool to the large public audience under her leadership.
In addition, she has won over 50 titles, inspired all players and embraced a large fan base from all over the world. We want a positive role model like herself to promote our sport at large.
This is a pure personal opinion from myself.
Terry Ardeno said:
I could be mistaken, but I have always been under the impression that there just weren't a whole lot of tournaments, compared to what we have today, when those guys were in their primes. It would be very tough to compare Ronnie's tournament record to someone a little younger who had far more tournaments to play in when they were in their prime.
rossaroni said:
Ross,
Yes, personally, I would have RA in the HOF if I had a vote.
Sounds funny, but I have my own HOF in my pool notes that I collect. I have a seperate page for all the ones who I think should be in the HOF if I were in charge of it. Nobody sees it or cares about it but me. My own odd hobby, these pool stats.... Anyway, I already have Ronnie Allen, Don Willis, Vernon Elliott, Oliver Ortmann, Ralf Souquet, Johnny Archer and some others already "enshrined"
Here is a link to some of Ronnie Allen's titles at Onepocket.org. But this list is not all inclusive......http://www.onepocket.org/records.htm
Jimmy M. said:
I couldn't agree with you more Jimmy.
Much of Ronnie Allen's legacy (and men like Cornbread & Bugs, etc) were forged in the backroom gambling matches that they excelled in. The true fans know and appreciate these heros of pooldom. For now at least, that's about all they have....
Terry Ardeno said:
I wonder if it would make any sort of difference at all if we formed some sort of petition to get some of the guys from this generation on the HOF ballots. For the reason you just mentioned, that only the true fans know and appreciate these guys, it's just that much more important that they SHOULD be in the HOF so that, when everyone is gone who actually saw these guys, the new generations will know who they were and be able to appreciate them as well.
Yes, I agree. This is why Maurice Daly should be in the BCA Hall of Fame.Jimmy M. said:
I am a member of the HOF committee, and we are sent a preliminary ballot months in advance. We can suggest names to add to the ballot at that time. I think there are about 30 people on the committee, and player must be named on 75% of the ballots to get in. Somewhat like the baseball HOF. We can vote for as many players as we want.
I will continue to vote for Parica until he gets in. Johnny and Allison have to get my vote if they are on the ballot. Ronnie has to get in line behind them. Yes, he was one of the greatest One Pocket players ever, but at other games he was just good, not great. He played in most of the major tournaments from the 60's through the 80s, with only average results.
I staked Ronnie the year he won the Red's One Pocket event (1984 or 85). His best 9-Ball showing was finishing second to Mike Sigel in the 1982 Caesar's Tahoe Classic.
I will continue to vote for Parica until he gets in. Johnny and Allison have to get my vote if they are on the ballot. Ronnie has to get in line behind them. Yes, he was one of the greatest One Pocket players ever, but at other games he was just good, not great. He played in most of the major tournaments from the 60's through the 80s, with only average results.
I staked Ronnie the year he won the Red's One Pocket event (1984 or 85). His best 9-Ball showing was finishing second to Mike Sigel in the 1982 Caesar's Tahoe Classic.
jay helfert said:
WOW! There is hope after all!
PS-Don't forget Allen Hopkins
vagabond said:
In the MERITORIOUS SERVICE area, not player's section. Plus, poor guys like me can't afford to travel to the US Open or DCC, so it's "almost" like being there. The commentary provided by Billy Incardona, Grady Mathews, Nick Varner, Buddy Hall, Danny DiLiberto, etc is "almost" like you're getting your own private lessons with these world beaters.
My 300+ Accu-Stats have kept me entertained for literally thousands of hours. Up until this post of yours, I thought my wife was the only one who didn't appreciate them!
Vags, don't be a hater! Thousands of pool fans are all the much better and smarter in poolology because of the things they've learned watching these tapes. In the "old days", players learned by watching the other great players. That still bodes true today.
While we're on meritorious service, Mr Simonis deserves a tip of the hat as well.
Terry Ardeno said:
what is that to do with hate? I am saying that we should not trivialize the coveted title of BHF.
I understand yore situation and u want to thank him for giving an opportunity for you to sit in yore living room and watch the champions playing.That is fine and he deserves yours and many others thanks but not induction into hall of fame.
vagabond said:what is that to do with hate? I am saying that we should not trivialize the coveted title of BHF.
I understand yore situation and u want to thank him for giving an opportunity for you to sit in yore living room and watch the champions playing.That is fine and he deserves yours and many others thanks but not induction into hall of fame.
Vags,
I know you're not a hater of PF, that's just an expression and my weak attempt at using "hip-hop" lingo.
I'm grateful that you esteem the HOF as high as you do. Wish everyone respected it like that!
Terry Ardeno said:WOW! There is hope after all!
PS-Don't forget Allen Hopkins
I also voted for Allen last year and Sang Lee, but thanks for reminding me. I would probably vote for Pat if he were nominated. To me, what he has done is memorialize the greatest players of the last 20 years. Fifty years from now, pool fans will be able to see just how good Efren played, or Buddy, or The Miz etc. etc. I wish he had started 20 years sooner.
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jay helfert said:
That's a very good point.
How can you deny Pat Fleming being nominated in the meritorious service section of this ballot? In my opinion,not because I worked with him for 20 years but because I know him for the person that he is.His relentless efforts in keeping our game in the eye of the public for the past 20 plus years should be recognized for what it is,not for some self serving reason. Pat has been struggling financially for the better part of this time but has not allowed that to deter him in his vision. Pat is one of if not the finest person in pool period, everything he has done has been done in the most dignified fashion. If he has fallen short in any criteria for this award I would like to know where.vagabond said:
Bill Incardona
Well said Billy,he isnt getting rich doing this,its for the love of the game and for the fans to see players they might never see.I wish the game had been covered better and alot more in the past,thanks Pat!wincardona said: