BCA "OPEN" in Vegas
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I couldn't even find it on the website. Please post a link.
I would think if it is an open event they would have an entry form available on the site.
I would think if it is an open event they would have an entry form available on the site.
I didn't know the BCA organization was still investing money into professional pool. That is good to hear.
If you go back as far as 1960, many a prominent pool player has written about their disappointment that the industry did not support professional pool more. Lou Butera wrote a great letter to the editor about this very topic in his heyday. Somehow things have not only NOT changed, but they have gotten worse.
The BCA's Open is not open and is invitation only, supposedly based on a ranking system each year. Of course, the ranking system changes each year, it would seem, for the men in America.
Oh, that's another thing. The BCA, the organizational entity that is supposed to represent North America, requests players from around the world to compete in their BCA Open. This is probably the greatest contribution they make to professional pool in these United States of America, IMO.
I'm sure the print media folks and industry members, to include the people who get paid by industry members, will disagree with my opinion, but that's how I see it from the rail.
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Jerry Forsyth
Well-known member
There is no BCA Open scheduled for 2011. I hope to see this event come back in a few years when the economy begins to treat the billiard world a little better. Hard to do much when pool rooms, cue companies and pool table makers keep going belly up. This is beginning to turn around now, but the economy offers no guarantees for continued improvement. Lots of hope, but there was lots of hope in 1931 as well.
With all due respect Jerry, one thing I've learned after owning a dozen small businesses (pool rooms, bars, pizza joints etc.) is that the time to promote is when business is bad. You just have to bite the bullet and spend the money to get customers though the doors. Or you do go belly up! This is actually a time when the BCA should be most pro-active imo.
Jerry Forsyth
Well-known member
Jay,
"With all due respect?" Where the hell did that come from? Every time we see each other we slap one another upside the head, man!
In normal times I would agree with your thesis. But businesses are not in a mood at the moment to deficit spend, and that is what the BCA would have to do to hold the Open again at this moment. Plus, they really need to analyze whether a tournament is the best vehicle to use to promote the game. They may have more viable options.
Deficit spending is what just clobbered the democrats last Tuesday. I do not see the BCA taking that route in the current environment. All this said, of course, with all due respect.
"With all due respect?" Where the hell did that come from? Every time we see each other we slap one another upside the head, man!
In normal times I would agree with your thesis. But businesses are not in a mood at the moment to deficit spend, and that is what the BCA would have to do to hold the Open again at this moment. Plus, they really need to analyze whether a tournament is the best vehicle to use to promote the game. They may have more viable options.
Deficit spending is what just clobbered the democrats last Tuesday. I do not see the BCA taking that route in the current environment. All this said, of course, with all due respect.
Jay,
"With all due respect?" Where the hell did that come from? Every time we see each other we slap one another upside the head, man!
In normal times I would agree with your thesis. But businesses are not in a mood at the moment to deficit spend, and that is what the BCA would have to do to hold the Open again at this moment. Plus, they really need to analyze whether a tournament is the best vehicle to use to promote the game. They may have more viable options.
Deficit spending is what just clobbered the democrats last Tuesday. I do not see the BCA taking that route in the current environment. All this said, of course, with all due respect.
With all due....bulls-t! I wasn't necessarily talking about tournaments in my earlier post. Just promotions in general. Other viable options sounds good to me. I've always felt that pool would make a great interscholastic sport - low cost to the school, no shortage of interested players and a great benefit to the sport in general. But what do I know? I'm not rich or famous. :frown:
Here's what "Machine Gun Lou" Butera said about the state of pool in America in the 1960s:
You've got five companies doing over $10 million a year in this game. Yet, the amount they spend on the promotion of the game is peanuts, ridiculous. Now, if those companies can't put a quarter of a million of that into the promotion of the game, something is very wrong. There should be a Brunswick Open, an Ebonite Open, a Fisher Open, a National Open, just to name a few...all the big manufacturers should be promoting the game through tournaments.
You've got five companies doing over $10 million a year in this game. Yet, the amount they spend on the promotion of the game is peanuts, ridiculous. Now, if those companies can't put a quarter of a million of that into the promotion of the game, something is very wrong. There should be a Brunswick Open, an Ebonite Open, a Fisher Open, a National Open, just to name a few...all the big manufacturers should be promoting the game through tournaments.
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You got an AMEN there brother! :groucho: :groucho: :groucho:
BCA or BCAPL 'OPEN'
If you need info on the US Open 10-Ball, you need to contact the CSI (CueSports INternational). www.playcsipool.com or www.Playbca.com.
They hold the event in conjunction with the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championship - in Vegas in May.
The event is 'Open' - however, we need to invite previous winners, and the top 20 US point players. Also the top 16 WPBA players should be invited also. After that, it is open. We will have the packages available in late December and start with signups in early Jan. Signups are not taken without payment. Last year we filled up the 96 man field and extended to 128. Not sure if we will do that this year or not.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - USAPL - BCAPL
If you need info on the US Open 10-Ball, you need to contact the CSI (CueSports INternational). www.playcsipool.com or www.Playbca.com.
They hold the event in conjunction with the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championship - in Vegas in May.
The event is 'Open' - however, we need to invite previous winners, and the top 20 US point players. Also the top 16 WPBA players should be invited also. After that, it is open. We will have the packages available in late December and start with signups in early Jan. Signups are not taken without payment. Last year we filled up the 96 man field and extended to 128. Not sure if we will do that this year or not.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - USAPL - BCAPL
Mark, I went to the first one earlier this year and it is one hell of a tournament, with all the world beaters in attendance. I imagine someday (probably soon), you will be holding qualifiers for the 256 player field. :grin-square: I don't know if I would consider past champs and top of the rankings players as invitations as much as exemptions - similar to the USGA's US Open golf championship.
BTW, somewhere I saw this tournament listed as an invitational. I'll try and find the link.
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Just imagine where things could be now. Too bad they cared more about making money in the short term and controlling the players rather than truly building a system that could have changed everything.
It's amazing that players still listen to the rules the BCA tries to impose... What has the BCA done to earn the respect that some players give them? Can anyone enlighten me?
Pool, like anything else will follow the laws of a free market. If there is a demand for the product and people see value in it, it will be OK. If not then it wont. You cant force it. Times change and industry evolves. Pool will naturally evolve too. Very simple.
No, you can't force it. But when you're the self appointed governing body, you can do something positive and constructive to help it, rather than try to manipulate and constrain it for your own personal gain.
Professional Pool could be in a much better place today.
No Enlightenment,
Dear Mark,
I shouldn’t do this but the more I read the letter from Bill Stork the more I don’t care what you do to me! You were sneaky and unprofessional in your attempt at stopping me from 1) proving that I had a case by petitioning the league for 54.17% in favor of changing the rule. 2) Your dealing with the www.juandefucapoolleague.com and their unprofessional attempt at de-sanctioning of me 3) Their fraudulent use of the CODE OF ETHICS 4) Their fraudulent use of the League Operator Rules 5) Their commitment to change the Rules Handbook 6) Their commitment to be untruthful about everything that has happened. But I simply can not resist. So here goes, please continue to read this.
1) During the petitioning of the league not one player was disturbed by our discussion with them and no one was bothered during their game. I have a witness to this, ready and willing to testify. I received a 54.17% in favor of changing back to the BCAPL rules immediately. I had received all but two of those votes by Jan 14, 2011 while Trish and Kevin were on a bye week. The following week I received one vote from another player who was not playing (+) myself. How does that give Trish the right to claim interference with her league since she was't even there? If any of her players were reading the items on the bulletin board that’s their prerogative I can’t be held responsible for that.
2) Check their web-site it shows 24 players with 5, 4 man teams and no subs in fact see the bottom of the page that covers week #17 high lighted in yellow is this statement “If you need a sub, either reschedule the match or call someone from the bye team.” That’s not enough players for sanctioning a league and constitutes fraud if she didn’t make you aware of it before the beginning of the league year and to you also if you were aware. It’s a violation of the League Operator Manual & the League Sanctioning Rules.
3) Read the CODE OF ETHICS :
We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in
connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL
We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport other BCAPL-sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL
We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, LIKE TRISHES REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF LEAGUE MEMBERS DURING 2009/2010 & 2010/2011, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior. SEE THE LAST COMMENT #2 ABOVE.
League Operator_________________________________________________Date____________________
Well She has broken 5 out of 6 of those.
4) 30 players with 6, 4 man teams, where are they. Were You Aware? Your Web-Site States this at least TEN TIMES?
5) She has committed to polluting the Rules Handbook by a game called call pocket 9-Ball.
Under the BCAPL Rules Book USA Pool League Match Playing Rules.
BCA PL Rules: Unless contradicted or amended in these regulations, The Official Rules of the BCA pool league will govern play. By these Rules we are talking about the Players Handbook.
THE CREATION OF THE BCAPL RULES
When Mark Griffin purchased the BCAPL, he realized that roughly 65,000 players had no set of rules to specifically govern league play. The prior organization had been using World Standardized Rules for many years – rules which were predominantly written for professional play and often criticized for their inconsistency. Mark realized the only way to rectify the situation was to create “The Official Rules of the BCAPL”.
In late 2006, Mark put together a team to begin this massive project. Leading the group was BCAPL Rules Administrator Bill Stock. National Senior Referees Buddy Eick and Ken Shuman served as Technical Editors. Over the next 6 months, the team solicited input from its league operators and players. They researched the history of league play, consulted with their current referee staff, and reviewed rule books and formats produced by other sports organizations. Mark provided the necessary policy guidance on behalf of the National Office.
By August 2007 a final draft was ready and the first edition of the Official Rules of the BCAPL became effective on October 1, 2007. The second edition was released on June 1, 2008, and will be updated on June 1 of each year.
We believe our product is the most complete, detailed, and easy to understand set of rules in the industry today. Others seem to share our opinion. World-renowned billiard historian, author, and rules expert Mike Shamos agrees that the BCAPL has taken a major step in improving the game. The following article, reprinted here with his permission, appears in the July 2008 edition of Billiards Digest:
Bills problem here is that he is not an attorney and didn’t seek out the advise of one before placing the Oct. 1st, 2007 rules into effect. Therefore he didn’t know that they were in direct conflect with rules already in effect and that by creating the new rules, by date, he would automatically make those old rules of non-effect and should have removed them, so they just sat there waiting for conflect
6) She wants to complain that I interfered with the teams in the league, Never happened I have witnesses!
Who was it that told you that the Juan De Fuca Pool League had 32 members? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Is this fair and honest? Does it expand Pool Leagues? Please see their Web-Site and then go to week #17 and read the item highlighted in yellow.
And who was it that told you that I had interfered with the League Play while they weren't even there? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit & misrepresentation! We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
How was my de-sanctioning done with respect and courtesy, it was done impersonally by mail. Without mention of petitioning or of hearing by a jury of my piers just presumed guilt. So much for the misrepresenting or availability of sanctioning for me. What about your obligation for in a “fair and honest manner”? What happen to”dignity, respect and courtesy”?
And what about reflecting discredit upon the sport the BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL when others hear about this? Sounds self-fullfilling to me!
And what about this? Effective June 1, 2010
Rules Changes for 2010-2011 Edition of the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League
Please email Bill Stock at bills@playcsipool.com with any questions regarding these and any BCAPL Rules. I did this and now he’s complaining.) From the de-sanctioning letter from Bill Stork. "Equally bothersome is the time and effort our office has spent to explain our policies to you." What a statement as one of the causes of this letter.
There is oh so much more that I would like to post from your Web-Site and E-Mails but room will not permit it.
As much good as you do for the game of pool you are equally destroying it by your position on your own rules, hence your recent lack of growth. Get a clue Mark Griffin! Once again make me a member in good standing and include a letter of apology.
Thank You,
C. Carl McConnell
Dear Mark,
I shouldn’t do this but the more I read the letter from Bill Stork the more I don’t care what you do to me! You were sneaky and unprofessional in your attempt at stopping me from 1) proving that I had a case by petitioning the league for 54.17% in favor of changing the rule. 2) Your dealing with the www.juandefucapoolleague.com and their unprofessional attempt at de-sanctioning of me 3) Their fraudulent use of the CODE OF ETHICS 4) Their fraudulent use of the League Operator Rules 5) Their commitment to change the Rules Handbook 6) Their commitment to be untruthful about everything that has happened. But I simply can not resist. So here goes, please continue to read this.
1) During the petitioning of the league not one player was disturbed by our discussion with them and no one was bothered during their game. I have a witness to this, ready and willing to testify. I received a 54.17% in favor of changing back to the BCAPL rules immediately. I had received all but two of those votes by Jan 14, 2011 while Trish and Kevin were on a bye week. The following week I received one vote from another player who was not playing (+) myself. How does that give Trish the right to claim interference with her league since she was't even there? If any of her players were reading the items on the bulletin board that’s their prerogative I can’t be held responsible for that.
2) Check their web-site it shows 24 players with 5, 4 man teams and no subs in fact see the bottom of the page that covers week #17 high lighted in yellow is this statement “If you need a sub, either reschedule the match or call someone from the bye team.” That’s not enough players for sanctioning a league and constitutes fraud if she didn’t make you aware of it before the beginning of the league year and to you also if you were aware. It’s a violation of the League Operator Manual & the League Sanctioning Rules.
3) Read the CODE OF ETHICS :
We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in
connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL
We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport other BCAPL-sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL
We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, LIKE TRISHES REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF LEAGUE MEMBERS DURING 2009/2010 & 2010/2011, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior. SEE THE LAST COMMENT #2 ABOVE.
League Operator_________________________________________________Date____________________
Well She has broken 5 out of 6 of those.
4) 30 players with 6, 4 man teams, where are they. Were You Aware? Your Web-Site States this at least TEN TIMES?
5) She has committed to polluting the Rules Handbook by a game called call pocket 9-Ball.
Under the BCAPL Rules Book USA Pool League Match Playing Rules.
BCA PL Rules: Unless contradicted or amended in these regulations, The Official Rules of the BCA pool league will govern play. By these Rules we are talking about the Players Handbook.
THE CREATION OF THE BCAPL RULES
When Mark Griffin purchased the BCAPL, he realized that roughly 65,000 players had no set of rules to specifically govern league play. The prior organization had been using World Standardized Rules for many years – rules which were predominantly written for professional play and often criticized for their inconsistency. Mark realized the only way to rectify the situation was to create “The Official Rules of the BCAPL”.
In late 2006, Mark put together a team to begin this massive project. Leading the group was BCAPL Rules Administrator Bill Stock. National Senior Referees Buddy Eick and Ken Shuman served as Technical Editors. Over the next 6 months, the team solicited input from its league operators and players. They researched the history of league play, consulted with their current referee staff, and reviewed rule books and formats produced by other sports organizations. Mark provided the necessary policy guidance on behalf of the National Office.
By August 2007 a final draft was ready and the first edition of the Official Rules of the BCAPL became effective on October 1, 2007. The second edition was released on June 1, 2008, and will be updated on June 1 of each year.
We believe our product is the most complete, detailed, and easy to understand set of rules in the industry today. Others seem to share our opinion. World-renowned billiard historian, author, and rules expert Mike Shamos agrees that the BCAPL has taken a major step in improving the game. The following article, reprinted here with his permission, appears in the July 2008 edition of Billiards Digest:
Bills problem here is that he is not an attorney and didn’t seek out the advise of one before placing the Oct. 1st, 2007 rules into effect. Therefore he didn’t know that they were in direct conflect with rules already in effect and that by creating the new rules, by date, he would automatically make those old rules of non-effect and should have removed them, so they just sat there waiting for conflect
6) She wants to complain that I interfered with the teams in the league, Never happened I have witnesses!
Who was it that told you that the Juan De Fuca Pool League had 32 members? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Is this fair and honest? Does it expand Pool Leagues? Please see their Web-Site and then go to week #17 and read the item highlighted in yellow.
And who was it that told you that I had interfered with the League Play while they weren't even there? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit & misrepresentation! We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
How was my de-sanctioning done with respect and courtesy, it was done impersonally by mail. Without mention of petitioning or of hearing by a jury of my piers just presumed guilt. So much for the misrepresenting or availability of sanctioning for me. What about your obligation for in a “fair and honest manner”? What happen to”dignity, respect and courtesy”?
And what about reflecting discredit upon the sport the BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL when others hear about this? Sounds self-fullfilling to me!
And what about this? Effective June 1, 2010
Rules Changes for 2010-2011 Edition of the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League
Please email Bill Stock at bills@playcsipool.com with any questions regarding these and any BCAPL Rules. I did this and now he’s complaining.) From the de-sanctioning letter from Bill Stork. "Equally bothersome is the time and effort our office has spent to explain our policies to you." What a statement as one of the causes of this letter.
There is oh so much more that I would like to post from your Web-Site and E-Mails but room will not permit it.
As much good as you do for the game of pool you are equally destroying it by your position on your own rules, hence your recent lack of growth. Get a clue Mark Griffin! Once again make me a member in good standing and include a letter of apology.
Thank You,
C. Carl McConnell
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Mr. McConell.............uh....it may be the name of your league that is in question?
Just guessing but.....just my .02
Just guessing but.....just my .02
No Enlightenment,
Dear Mark,
I shouldn’t do this but the more I read the letter from Bill Stork the more I don’t care what you do to me! You were sneaky and unprofessional in your attempt at stopping me from 1) proving that I had a case by petitioning the league for 54.17% in favor of changing the rule. 2) Your dealing with the www.juandefucapoolleague.com and their unprofessional attempt at de-sanctioning of me 3) Their fraudulent use of the CODE OF ETHICS 4) Their fraudulent use of the League Operator Rules 5) Their commitment to change the Rules Handbook 6) Their commitment to be untruthful about everything that has happened. But I simply can not resist. So here goes, please continue to read this.
1) During the petitioning of the league not one player was disturbed by our discussion with them and no one was bothered during their game. I have a witness to this, ready and willing to testify. I received a 54.17% in favor of changing back to the BCAPL rules immediately. I had received all but two of those votes by Jan 14, 2011 while Trish and Kevin were on a bye week. The following week I received one vote from another player who was not playing (+) myself. How does that give Trish the right to claim interference with her league? If any of her players were reading the items on the bulletin board that’s their prerogative I can’t be held responsible for that.
2) Check their web-site it shows 24 players with 5, 4 man teams and no subs in fact see the bottom of the page that covers week #17 high lighted in yellow is this statement “If you need a sub, either reschedule the match or call someone from the bye team.” That’s not enough players for sanctioning a league and constitutes fraud if she didn’t make you aware of it before the beginning of the league year and to you also if you were aware. It’s a violation of the League Operator Manual & the League Sanctioning Rules.
3) Read the CODE OF ETHICS :
We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in
connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL
We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport other BCAPL-sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL
We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, LIKE TRISHES REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF LEAGUE MEMBERS DURING 2009/2010 & 2010/2011 LEAGUE YEARS, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior. SEE THE LAST COMMENT #2 ABOVE.
League Operator_________________________________________________Date____________________
Well She has broken 5 out of 6 of those.
4) 30 players with 6, 4 man teams, where are they. Were You Aware? Your Web-Site States this at least TEN TIMES?
5) She has committed to polluting the Rules Handbook by a game called call pocket 9-Ball.
Under the BCAPL Rules Book USA Pool League Match Playing Rules.
BCA PL Rules: Unless contradicted or amended in these regulations, The Official Rules of the BCA pool league will govern play. By these rules we are talking about the players Handbook.
THE CREATION OF THE BCAPL RULES
When Mark Griffin purchased the BCAPL, he realized that roughly 65,000 players had no set of rules to specifically govern league play. The prior organization had been using World Standardized Rules for many years – rules which were predominantly written for professional play and often criticized for their inconsistency. Mark realized the only way to rectify the situation was to create “The Official Rules of the BCAPL”.
In late 2006, Mark put together a team to begin this massive project. Leading the group was BCAPL Rules Administrator Bill Stock. National Senior Referees Buddy Eick and Ken Shuman served as Technical Editors. Over the next 6 months, the team solicited input from its league operators and players. They researched the history of league play, consulted with their current referee staff, and reviewed rule books and formats produced by other sports organizations. Mark provided the necessary policy guidance on behalf of the National Office.
By August 2007 a final draft was ready and the first edition of the Official Rules of the BCAPL became effective on October 1, 2007. The second edition was released on June 1, 2008, and will be updated on June 1 of each year.
We believe our product is the most complete, detailed, and easy to understand set of rules in the industry today. Others seem to share our opinion. World-renowned billiard historian, author, and rules expert Mike Shamos agrees that the BCAPL has taken a major step in improving the game. The following article, reprinted here with his permission, appears in the July 2008 edition of Billiards Digest:
Bills problem here is that he is not an attorney and didn’t seek out the advise of one before placing the Oct. 1st, 2007 rules into effect. Therefore he didn’t know that they were in direct conflect with rules already in effect and that by creating the new rules, by date, he would automatically make those old rules of non-effect and should have removed them, so they just sat there waiting for conflect
6) She wants to complain that I interfered with the teams in the league, Never happened I have witnesses!
Who was it that told you that the Juan De Fuca Pool League had 32 members? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Is this fair and honest? Does it expand Pool Leagues? Please see their Web-Site and then go to week #17 and read the item highlighted in yellow.
And who was it that told you that I had interfered with the League Play? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit & misrepresentation! We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
How was my de-sanctioning done with respect and courtesy, it was done impersonally by mail. Without mention of petitioning or of hearing by a jury of my piers just presumed guilt. So much for the misrepresenting or availability of sanctioning for me. What about your obligation for in a “fair and honest manner”? What happen to”dignity, respect and courtesy”?
And what about reflecting discredit upon the sport the BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL when others hear about this?
And what about this? Effective June 1, 2010
Rules Changes for 2010-2011 Edition of the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League
Please email Bill Stock at bills@playcsipool.com with any questions regarding these and any BCAPL Rules. I did this and now he’s complaining.) From the de-sanctioning letter from Bill Stork. Equally bothersome is the time and effort our office has spent to explain our policies to you. What a statement as one of the cause of this letter.
There is oh so much more that I would like to post from your Web-Site and E-Mails but room will not permit it.
As much good as you do for the game of pool you are equally destroying it by your position on your own rules, hence your recent lack of growth. Get a clue Mark Griffin! Once again make me a member in good standing and include a letter of apology.
Thank You,
C. Carl McConnell
Dear Mark,
I shouldn’t do this but the more I read the letter from Bill Stork the more I don’t care what you do to me! You were sneaky and unprofessional in your attempt at stopping me from 1) proving that I had a case by petitioning the league for 54.17% in favor of changing the rule. 2) Your dealing with the www.juandefucapoolleague.com and their unprofessional attempt at de-sanctioning of me 3) Their fraudulent use of the CODE OF ETHICS 4) Their fraudulent use of the League Operator Rules 5) Their commitment to change the Rules Handbook 6) Their commitment to be untruthful about everything that has happened. But I simply can not resist. So here goes, please continue to read this.
1) During the petitioning of the league not one player was disturbed by our discussion with them and no one was bothered during their game. I have a witness to this, ready and willing to testify. I received a 54.17% in favor of changing back to the BCAPL rules immediately. I had received all but two of those votes by Jan 14, 2011 while Trish and Kevin were on a bye week. The following week I received one vote from another player who was not playing (+) myself. How does that give Trish the right to claim interference with her league? If any of her players were reading the items on the bulletin board that’s their prerogative I can’t be held responsible for that.
2) Check their web-site it shows 24 players with 5, 4 man teams and no subs in fact see the bottom of the page that covers week #17 high lighted in yellow is this statement “If you need a sub, either reschedule the match or call someone from the bye team.” That’s not enough players for sanctioning a league and constitutes fraud if she didn’t make you aware of it before the beginning of the league year and to you also if you were aware. It’s a violation of the League Operator Manual & the League Sanctioning Rules.
3) Read the CODE OF ETHICS :
We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in
connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL
We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport other BCAPL-sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL
We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, LIKE TRISHES REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF LEAGUE MEMBERS DURING 2009/2010 & 2010/2011 LEAGUE YEARS, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior. SEE THE LAST COMMENT #2 ABOVE.
League Operator_________________________________________________Date____________________
Well She has broken 5 out of 6 of those.
4) 30 players with 6, 4 man teams, where are they. Were You Aware? Your Web-Site States this at least TEN TIMES?
5) She has committed to polluting the Rules Handbook by a game called call pocket 9-Ball.
Under the BCAPL Rules Book USA Pool League Match Playing Rules.
BCA PL Rules: Unless contradicted or amended in these regulations, The Official Rules of the BCA pool league will govern play. By these rules we are talking about the players Handbook.
THE CREATION OF THE BCAPL RULES
When Mark Griffin purchased the BCAPL, he realized that roughly 65,000 players had no set of rules to specifically govern league play. The prior organization had been using World Standardized Rules for many years – rules which were predominantly written for professional play and often criticized for their inconsistency. Mark realized the only way to rectify the situation was to create “The Official Rules of the BCAPL”.
In late 2006, Mark put together a team to begin this massive project. Leading the group was BCAPL Rules Administrator Bill Stock. National Senior Referees Buddy Eick and Ken Shuman served as Technical Editors. Over the next 6 months, the team solicited input from its league operators and players. They researched the history of league play, consulted with their current referee staff, and reviewed rule books and formats produced by other sports organizations. Mark provided the necessary policy guidance on behalf of the National Office.
By August 2007 a final draft was ready and the first edition of the Official Rules of the BCAPL became effective on October 1, 2007. The second edition was released on June 1, 2008, and will be updated on June 1 of each year.
We believe our product is the most complete, detailed, and easy to understand set of rules in the industry today. Others seem to share our opinion. World-renowned billiard historian, author, and rules expert Mike Shamos agrees that the BCAPL has taken a major step in improving the game. The following article, reprinted here with his permission, appears in the July 2008 edition of Billiards Digest:
Bills problem here is that he is not an attorney and didn’t seek out the advise of one before placing the Oct. 1st, 2007 rules into effect. Therefore he didn’t know that they were in direct conflect with rules already in effect and that by creating the new rules, by date, he would automatically make those old rules of non-effect and should have removed them, so they just sat there waiting for conflect
6) She wants to complain that I interfered with the teams in the league, Never happened I have witnesses!
Who was it that told you that the Juan De Fuca Pool League had 32 members? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Is this fair and honest? Does it expand Pool Leagues? Please see their Web-Site and then go to week #17 and read the item highlighted in yellow.
And who was it that told you that I had interfered with the League Play? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit & misrepresentation! We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
How was my de-sanctioning done with respect and courtesy, it was done impersonally by mail. Without mention of petitioning or of hearing by a jury of my piers just presumed guilt. So much for the misrepresenting or availability of sanctioning for me. What about your obligation for in a “fair and honest manner”? What happen to”dignity, respect and courtesy”?
And what about reflecting discredit upon the sport the BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL when others hear about this?
And what about this? Effective June 1, 2010
Rules Changes for 2010-2011 Edition of the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League
Please email Bill Stock at bills@playcsipool.com with any questions regarding these and any BCAPL Rules. I did this and now he’s complaining.) From the de-sanctioning letter from Bill Stork. Equally bothersome is the time and effort our office has spent to explain our policies to you. What a statement as one of the cause of this letter.
There is oh so much more that I would like to post from your Web-Site and E-Mails but room will not permit it.
As much good as you do for the game of pool you are equally destroying it by your position on your own rules, hence your recent lack of growth. Get a clue Mark Griffin! Once again make me a member in good standing and include a letter of apology.
Thank You,
C. Carl McConnell
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