I second that Joe...id love to find a regular fun 1p game close but unfortunately im a half hr away from a decent poolroom... at least leagues are something to do to take the no pool edge off
BCA Sandbag Q's??? Mark?? Anybody?
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I second that Joe...id love to find a regular fun 1p game close but unfortunately im a half hr away from a decent poolroom... at least leagues are something to do to take the no pool edge off
He's gonna be fine. Eric's work is top notch, he will never have a lack of customers. He's also a super nice guy.
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Well I am by no means an expert but if you can run 4,5,6 racks you should be an 8 but thats just my guess. I recently started playing APA and I have come to realize that sand bagging is not the exception but the rule. For example, I am a 6 in APA 8 ball and I had to play a 4. I have seen this guy play and he is just as good as I am but since he sandbags he is able to keep his HC low. It is unfortunate but true, at least thats my two cents....
Well I am by no means an expert but if you can run 4,5,6 racks you should be an 8 but thats just my guess. I recently started playing APA and I have come to realize that sand bagging is not the exception but the rule. For example, I am a 6 in APA 8 ball and I had to play a 4. I have seen this guy play and he is just as good as I am but since he sandbags he is able to keep his HC low. It is unfortunate but true, at least thats my two cents....
I don't care who you are ....that's funny.
He was kind enough to send me a PM, he seems like a really nice guy....but intentionally playing a safety when a clear run-out exists may not win him nice guy status with people in his league....I just call it like I see it....all the best to Eric....
I don't know, if I'm playing somebody and they pass up a clear runout for a safety I would be glad to get back to the table. It might give me a chance to tie some balls up. My experience in leagues is sooner or later somebody is going to complain about you regardless of what you are doing.
1. I'd love to see the guy who can play safeties when he has a straight in shot on the 8 and win the game in 8 ball. I will bet AGAINST that guy every time if he spots me a safety when he only has the 8 ball left.
2. People are complaining about getting another opportunity to shoot?
Just let people how they want to play. If your handicapping system can't handle it then find another system. Try the new league system BCAPL has out there.
People need to get off their high horse and just play the game. If someone elects to play a safe when they have a clear runout then use that as your motivation to try and turn the game around.
Lastly, will you people please stop threatening those of us who are in the business with a loss of business if we don't act like you think we should act.
We are people too who play pool and have our own opinions. Jeeze you act as though we have to be some "perfect model" or you won't buy from us. If you don't want to buy from someone then don't. But don't try and run off the people in this business who have experience by telling them how to behave when they are just giving their opinions and being part of the community.
There are a lot of sellers here who don't give anything back to the community, not even their participation. Don't alienate the ones who do.
2. People are complaining about getting another opportunity to shoot?
Just let people how they want to play. If your handicapping system can't handle it then find another system. Try the new league system BCAPL has out there.
People need to get off their high horse and just play the game. If someone elects to play a safe when they have a clear runout then use that as your motivation to try and turn the game around.
Lastly, will you people please stop threatening those of us who are in the business with a loss of business if we don't act like you think we should act.
We are people too who play pool and have our own opinions. Jeeze you act as though we have to be some "perfect model" or you won't buy from us. If you don't want to buy from someone then don't. But don't try and run off the people in this business who have experience by telling them how to behave when they are just giving their opinions and being part of the community.
There are a lot of sellers here who don't give anything back to the community, not even their participation. Don't alienate the ones who do.
I can't remember any of my opponents ever asking which pocket I was shooting at while at Nationals or League. If it's not an obvious shot, it has to be called, as well as Carom's, Banks and Combo's. There is Zero reason to ever need to ask your opponent which pocket.
I would categorize that as a weak attempt to shark my opponent.
I have only missed one night of league this season as the captain and have attempted to play 4 of the 9 weeks even though I'm recovering from back surgery.
That must have been the night when one of my players is shooting a straight-in shot on the eight-ball and calls a safety. Doesn't make a lot of sense and should probably be taken with a grain of salt (unless someone is attempting to make us look bad). Of course it was probably one of my inexperienced C-players.....
Just trying to find some humor in this (considering this is a serious allegation) ........
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Are you playing safes on every shot ??
I play TAP. Playing a safe in 8 ball is a stat on the scoresheet. I does not count as a missed shot. This is good because you cannot use a safety to run up your innings and lower your rating. I think what you are doing is good. I captain a team and I cannot get my players to see safety. Bar room players only want to shoot. They seldom consider strategy.
When I took a team to Vegas for APA we were outplayed by a team that told me they meet and practice safety play. They kept improving their positions and blocking pockets. We were not out shot. We were out played.
When I took a team to Vegas for APA we were outplayed by a team that told me they meet and practice safety play. They kept improving their positions and blocking pockets. We were not out shot. We were out played.
Woodpecker
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There is no stat for saftey play in the BCA
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No u did not sandbag it was one of ur team members. It had an effect on one of the top teams ur team beat them 6 to zip because they had to spot u guys 6 points.
No u did not sandbag it was one of ur team members. It had an effect on one of the top teams ur team beat them 6 to zip because they had to spot u guys 6 points.
Wow, a response to a year-old thread. Things are gettin' mighty slow around here on AZB. Maybe we need to stir up an old aiming thread, or a case "war" thread
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No one player can sandbag, when your team plays him he can't sandbag. that's why each team has their own score sheet. you keep yours and the other team keeps theirs. Score sheets don't have to match up at the end of the night either. If you feel it should be a defensive shot or non-performance shot then have your scorekeeper mark it. It doesn't matter whether the other team marked it or not it will get put in by your league operator.
Not to offend you but if you just starting playing APA there is no reason to believe that it is the rule rather than the exception. Unless of course you believe all the bashing on this site.
I play both leagues and enjoy them both for different reasons.
Good luck to you in any league play you enjoy.
No one player can sandbag, when your team plays him he can't sandbag. that's why each team has their own score sheet. you keep yours and the other team keeps theirs. Score sheets don't have to match up at the end of the night either. If you feel it should be a defensive shot or non-performance shot then have your scorekeeper mark it. It doesn't matter whether the other team marked it or not it will get put in by your league operator.
Not to offend you but if you just starting playing APA there is no reason to believe that it is the rule rather than the exception. Unless of course you believe all the bashing on this site.
I play both leagues and enjoy them both for different reasons.
Good luck to you in any league play you enjoy.
Exactly, why would anyone think anyone think anything else. You have 7 open balls, they missed on the 8, and and you play safe. or you are straight in on a ball and play safe ( to "better your safety game")
Your team can get together and practice your safeties, heck you can practice your safeties with one other person, you don't need a team or a jar. In fact the jar makes you more douchey. I can hear it now other team misses and you have a dead open run out table and you hook them and smack your hands " heh heh heh dunt mend us wur putin .25 in a jar evey time we hook you, we done even kare bout winnin"
BTW, you can make a ton of money if you care to rack and break to run 4,5,6pack racks of 8 ball over the course of a night.
QUOTE=Big Perm;2724190]If I was playing your team, and you had an easy open run-out, and you played a safety on an open shot just because you are practicing a safety.........well, I'd just think you were a douchebag....
My free time is limited.....I compete in BCA to meet good people, enjoy the game, and test my skills....if my opponent is not giving me their best effort, and instead, has decided to purposely play some little game within the game, then I'm going to get pissed off.....as far as the sandbagging comment, if your league is measured by the number of times/shots you miss and it effects your handicap, then indeed you are sandbagging when you miss a shot you can make....
Look at it this way.....you come to an exibition and you get a chance to play the great Johnny Archer in a race to 5.....instead of playing his normal game and you getting a chance to match your skills against his, every time he shoots he just locks you up with an impossible safe and 3-fouls you 5 games in a row.....at the end, you look puzzled - his excuse is that he is practicing his safes today.....are you honestly cool with that?
You want to practice your safeties? Do it when you are practicing with your team. Most people come to league, bringing their best game, and they expect you to do the same.[/QUOTE]
Your team can get together and practice your safeties, heck you can practice your safeties with one other person, you don't need a team or a jar. In fact the jar makes you more douchey. I can hear it now other team misses and you have a dead open run out table and you hook them and smack your hands " heh heh heh dunt mend us wur putin .25 in a jar evey time we hook you, we done even kare bout winnin"
BTW, you can make a ton of money if you care to rack and break to run 4,5,6pack racks of 8 ball over the course of a night.
QUOTE=Big Perm;2724190]If I was playing your team, and you had an easy open run-out, and you played a safety on an open shot just because you are practicing a safety.........well, I'd just think you were a douchebag....
My free time is limited.....I compete in BCA to meet good people, enjoy the game, and test my skills....if my opponent is not giving me their best effort, and instead, has decided to purposely play some little game within the game, then I'm going to get pissed off.....as far as the sandbagging comment, if your league is measured by the number of times/shots you miss and it effects your handicap, then indeed you are sandbagging when you miss a shot you can make....
Look at it this way.....you come to an exibition and you get a chance to play the great Johnny Archer in a race to 5.....instead of playing his normal game and you getting a chance to match your skills against his, every time he shoots he just locks you up with an impossible safe and 3-fouls you 5 games in a row.....at the end, you look puzzled - his excuse is that he is practicing his safes today.....are you honestly cool with that?
You want to practice your safeties? Do it when you are practicing with your team. Most people come to league, bringing their best game, and they expect you to do the same.[/QUOTE]
According to post 53 they sandbagged their way through the year, got spotted in the handicapped finals by another team and they beat that team with that spot and took the trip to vegas.
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i dont know about anyone elsebut i find it very hard to believe that anyone has enough cue ball control to run multiple racks but not enough to play an effective safety at will. Somehow your facts look very suspicious to me but then im not a bar box player.
i dont know about anyone elsebut i find it very hard to believe that anyone has enough cue ball control to run multiple racks but not enough to play an effective safety at will. Somehow your facts look very suspicious to me but then im not a bar box player.
to the op i'll say this, and just consider it - i'm not saying this is the right way or you should do what i am saying - just think about it.
take the money out of the equation. just think about the playing. an actual match is not the time to practice - anything. the point of a match is to actually play the match to win. i play bca against players that can and do usually run over me. i am ok with it because in three years of playing bca i have gotten a lot better. there have been times when some of those players didn't care much about a particular night or match beacuse they had things sewn up for the session and they let me win by trying ridiculous shots or putting me in tough spots where if i got out it was, "good for you buddy, good job". this does not sit well with me. that's not a win in my book. in fact, it's insulting.
if you want to practice your safety play you can do it forever and a day during your practice time or playing against your team mates. when you practice during a match against an opponent, especially when that opponent knows you can beat him regularly, it's not seen as "nice". even if you are giving the chance for the person to win more cash.
again, please just consider this when you think about the situation. i am not telling you what to do, or this is what they are thinking. i am just offering a view you may not have considered.
take the money out of the equation. just think about the playing. an actual match is not the time to practice - anything. the point of a match is to actually play the match to win. i play bca against players that can and do usually run over me. i am ok with it because in three years of playing bca i have gotten a lot better. there have been times when some of those players didn't care much about a particular night or match beacuse they had things sewn up for the session and they let me win by trying ridiculous shots or putting me in tough spots where if i got out it was, "good for you buddy, good job". this does not sit well with me. that's not a win in my book. in fact, it's insulting.
if you want to practice your safety play you can do it forever and a day during your practice time or playing against your team mates. when you practice during a match against an opponent, especially when that opponent knows you can beat him regularly, it's not seen as "nice". even if you are giving the chance for the person to win more cash.
again, please just consider this when you think about the situation. i am not telling you what to do, or this is what they are thinking. i am just offering a view you may not have considered.