I'm not bashing you, just noticing a trend. You have been on the other side of every topic on here since you started posting.
BVal
Best Chalk??? I wanna change.
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BVal
i have tried several chalks over the years but for me, these are my preferred chalks (in order):
1. blue diamond
2. master light brown
3. triangle light green
4. brunswick
5. silver cup
1. blue diamond
2. master light brown
3. triangle light green
4. brunswick
5. silver cup
Freddie O
Banned
Only the topics I disagree with. I'll be the first to praise a good post/topic as well. If we were all right all the time it would be pointless to discuss. I've seen good posts by everyone here including you. I just think we must be total opposites. Nothing wrong with that.
Eve,
How can anyone take you serious???
You have never even tried BD chalk!!!!!
But you continue to type crap about it.........
You are too funny :grin:
Freddie O
Banned
For fifty+ years I've just used whatever was on the table (mostly Brunswick, Master, and Silver Cup). For my home table, I've only bought Masters (green). After reading a few of these threads, I bought some BD chalk from Darwin, just to see what the deal was. I fully expected it to be exactly like the Master, and to make a post here saying just that.
Well...surprise for me.
I bought some new blue Master shortly before ordering the BD. The BD seems to be finer (less grainy) than the new Master blue. It's not as messy - which counts when you have to clean the table and the carpet yourself. The one thing that really surprised me, and which makes the BD worth considering even at its ridiculous cost, is that it coats the tip smoothly and evenly, and stays on much longer. There is no need to rechalk after every shot or two. I checked the tip after every shot, and rechalked when there was the slightest sign that it may be needed. I compared a cube of Master blue that I had used for several games with a BD cube that I had used all day, and the Master appeared to have lost at least ten times as much as the BD.
I don't expect the BD to affect my game at all (bummer). I don't expect fewer miscues, longer jumps, stronger breaks, or longer-lasting erections. But the BD does seem to be a superior product simply because it's less messy, covers the tips well, and lasts longer. This is what Master chalk should - and no doubt, could - be. Is it a big deal? No. Is it a better product than Master? I believe so.
Well...surprise for me.
I bought some new blue Master shortly before ordering the BD. The BD seems to be finer (less grainy) than the new Master blue. It's not as messy - which counts when you have to clean the table and the carpet yourself. The one thing that really surprised me, and which makes the BD worth considering even at its ridiculous cost, is that it coats the tip smoothly and evenly, and stays on much longer. There is no need to rechalk after every shot or two. I checked the tip after every shot, and rechalked when there was the slightest sign that it may be needed. I compared a cube of Master blue that I had used for several games with a BD cube that I had used all day, and the Master appeared to have lost at least ten times as much as the BD.
I don't expect the BD to affect my game at all (bummer). I don't expect fewer miscues, longer jumps, stronger breaks, or longer-lasting erections. But the BD does seem to be a superior product simply because it's less messy, covers the tips well, and lasts longer. This is what Master chalk should - and no doubt, could - be. Is it a big deal? No. Is it a better product than Master? I believe so.
Three more things -
Pre-flag vs. post-flag master's chalk is a myth. A rep from Tweeten Fibre Co. (the manufacturer) says all they changed was the graphic on the paper around the chalk. The chalk is the EXACT SAME. If you think they 'play' differently, it's either in your head or something to do with the age of the flag chalk. You could call that another case of placebo affect.
Miscues - if I miscue twice as often with silver cup as with master's, it's not my stroke.
Lastly, miscuing should really be the only factor. I won't fault anyone for blaming a miscue on the chalk (tho some feel it's player error) but if you blame a missed shot or bad position on the chalk, you gotta learn to stop making excuses.
Man I can't believe I post in these chalk threads. I am THAT bored. I wonder how many we've had on AZB since the forums started? And when the first one was?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403&highlight=chalk
6 years ago... I was expecting there'd be something older but maybe the forums aren't as old as I thought. I'm sure there's something in the RSB archives.
Pre-flag vs. post-flag master's chalk is a myth. A rep from Tweeten Fibre Co. (the manufacturer) says all they changed was the graphic on the paper around the chalk. The chalk is the EXACT SAME. If you think they 'play' differently, it's either in your head or something to do with the age of the flag chalk. You could call that another case of placebo affect.
Miscues - if I miscue twice as often with silver cup as with master's, it's not my stroke.
Lastly, miscuing should really be the only factor. I won't fault anyone for blaming a miscue on the chalk (tho some feel it's player error) but if you blame a missed shot or bad position on the chalk, you gotta learn to stop making excuses.
Man I can't believe I post in these chalk threads. I am THAT bored. I wonder how many we've had on AZB since the forums started? And when the first one was?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403&highlight=chalk
6 years ago... I was expecting there'd be something older but maybe the forums aren't as old as I thought. I'm sure there's something in the RSB archives.
Tap. Tap. Tap.
I could do this if we really want to go there.
I seriously doubt we will see any chemical differences; however if the binder used is significantly different, it may burn out at a different temperature...
Anyway, if people want to send me cubes of chalk, I can have these tested here in the lab. I'll even post up SEM pictures, if there is anything to see...
I think it is a bit crazy, but the bottom line is (just like cues) if you feel it is better, and feel it gives you an advantage to your game, you should use it.
For me, a chalk that stays on for an entire game is not of much value, because I chalk every shot. I keep my tips meticulously manicured (re-shape after every outing), and never have any issues.
I haven't read the other posts here but here are the absolute best chalks and why.
NIR Super Professional chalk (http://www.amazon.com/NIR-Super-Professional-Chalk-Pieces/dp/B001Z43I8G) is #1 because I can go two racks without chalking or miscueing. I have had old OLD timers use it and they never use it again because it's "too sticky". That's also the downside. It is VERY blue and VERY sticky. If you don't wipe down your shaft well after chalking you're going to end up with a very blue and very sticky shaft.
Blue Diamond chalk (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Diamond-...e=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1244549926&sr=1-1) is #2 because it is a slight improvement on Master chalk. I've been using it for years now and like it better than NIR because it doesn't stick to my shaft as much. I have to chalk about 3 times as much but that only means once or twice a rack... that's still great.
Master chalk (http://www.amazon.com/PoolDawg-Blue...e=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1244550085&sr=1-2) is #3 because it is about 1/12 the price of BD and almost as good.
I'm not going to list any more because there's no reason you should get anything of lower quality than Master chalk.
Personally I don't mind paying $3 a cube for BD as opposed to $0.25 for Master. It lasts a long time, and from my experience using both for many years is similar but better than Master.
In the end, just like EVERYTHING else in the cue sport world, it comes down to personal preference. Try them and see which you like, and then buy the biggest box you can find
NIR Super Professional chalk (http://www.amazon.com/NIR-Super-Professional-Chalk-Pieces/dp/B001Z43I8G) is #1 because I can go two racks without chalking or miscueing. I have had old OLD timers use it and they never use it again because it's "too sticky". That's also the downside. It is VERY blue and VERY sticky. If you don't wipe down your shaft well after chalking you're going to end up with a very blue and very sticky shaft.
Blue Diamond chalk (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Diamond-...e=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1244549926&sr=1-1) is #2 because it is a slight improvement on Master chalk. I've been using it for years now and like it better than NIR because it doesn't stick to my shaft as much. I have to chalk about 3 times as much but that only means once or twice a rack... that's still great.
Master chalk (http://www.amazon.com/PoolDawg-Blue...e=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1244550085&sr=1-2) is #3 because it is about 1/12 the price of BD and almost as good.
I'm not going to list any more because there's no reason you should get anything of lower quality than Master chalk.
Personally I don't mind paying $3 a cube for BD as opposed to $0.25 for Master. It lasts a long time, and from my experience using both for many years is similar but better than Master.
In the end, just like EVERYTHING else in the cue sport world, it comes down to personal preference. Try them and see which you like, and then buy the biggest box you can find
The new Master chalk is a lot grainier that it was in the old days. BD resembles what Masters used to be. I tried some BD chalk that a Longoni rep gave me. I liked it but I miscued a lot with it so I stopped using it. I bought a gross of Masters 30 years ago that I am still using today. Very fine grained. Goes on like paint whether the tip is scuffed or not. Funny, at the time I bought it I thought it was going to last me a year or two.
The most interesting thing would be to see if Blue Diamond chalk actually does have mercury in it like the old Masters chalk once had.
I found it!!!!
The best chalk on earth.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-POOL-BR...66:2|39:1|72:1240|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50
The best chalk on earth.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-POOL-BR...66:2|39:1|72:1240|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50
I'm gonna doubt that. Mercury is toxic and I would have thought the EPA would have banned its use in anything that so readily gets on your hands and can be ingested. Tell you what, if it does contain mercury I would think for sure it should have a warning label.
Silvercup Pewter for me.
I like the way it goes on and my cue stays clean.
It grips well and I only miscue when I stroke wrong.
Blue diamond isn't "hype". I can't tell you from about 4 months experience using BD. I'd never go back after having used this chalk. I'm serious.
Question ~ Where can I buy BD other than a entire case?
Just to give you a little history to this chalk change _ I saw a guy pull out the BD at the Expo last March. I thought I'd try it and I was sold. It is truly different. Unfortunately I only bought one box. I have a little left but am looking for maybe half dozen boxes.