Also why drive a Yugo, when you can afford a 100 POINT Classic 1953 Corvette? That would turn heads at the Barret Jackson Auction.
Tony live the good life, enjoy the finer thing in life, and builds a AWESOME CUE!
Black Boar Question
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Also why drive a Yugo, when you can afford a 100 POINT Classic 1953 Corvette? That would turn heads at the Barret Jackson Auction.
Tony live the good life, enjoy the finer thing in life, and builds a AWESOME CUE!
There may be some cue makers who don't communicate,or are unreliable or untrustworthy,but TONY AT BLACK BOAR IS NOT ONE
i have called him a dozen times and always received a quick reply,and tons of helpful advice on how to improve the hit on my personal cues,that he didn't even make
AS far as hit and quality,no less an authority than Mike Cochran told me that Black boar is by far the best hitting cue as well as the most quality of designs
I have as of yet not bought one,because I don't have the desire to play with a $20,000 cue.Perhaps I am a little tight,but I want to correct any of the insinuations on here about the quality of hit or service
i would be willing to bet that his customers and tire kickers like me would all second this advice
I am going on the record as saying Tony stands at the very top of his profession.He gets top dollar because he deserves it
I could speak of his generous gift to Mike Cochran's widow,but that's his business.
I hope I have said enough to encourage those of you who need it to place an order
Also I think the time to get a cue is not over a couple of years,so don't miss out thinking it will take too long give Tony a call,I am sure you will be glad you did
i have called him a dozen times and always received a quick reply,and tons of helpful advice on how to improve the hit on my personal cues,that he didn't even make
AS far as hit and quality,no less an authority than Mike Cochran told me that Black boar is by far the best hitting cue as well as the most quality of designs
I have as of yet not bought one,because I don't have the desire to play with a $20,000 cue.Perhaps I am a little tight,but I want to correct any of the insinuations on here about the quality of hit or service
i would be willing to bet that his customers and tire kickers like me would all second this advice
I am going on the record as saying Tony stands at the very top of his profession.He gets top dollar because he deserves it
I could speak of his generous gift to Mike Cochran's widow,but that's his business.
I hope I have said enough to encourage those of you who need it to place an order
Also I think the time to get a cue is not over a couple of years,so don't miss out thinking it will take too long give Tony a call,I am sure you will be glad you did
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Are you sure about that?
I think you are doing Paul a disservice by your words... :nono:
Maybe Paul can comment on if HE do this type of work?
These are Tikkler's pics:
I agree, that is a very nice cue. However, if you've been to Paul's shop you would have seen that he has all the equipment to do anything that Tony can do. The difference is Paul is too busy making cues for regular people/players not some over priced cue that only a few can, or want to afford. That spider series of cues is the biggest rip off in the billiard world. I'm sorry if that offends people but it's my opinion. Honestly, I could win the lottery for a billion dollars and I wouldn't waste my money on a BB cue.
BB cues are the worst case of false hyping I've seen in a long time in any product. I have news for you, myself and my friend have owned about 6-7 BB cues over the years. They were all with the older style logo and you know what? Not one of them didn't have a buzz in the forarm when you hit a ball with it. So how's that for the BB quality?
It's funny, all you people who run around and hype BB cues think that Tony has some magic formula that makes his cues better than anyone elses. Guess what? He doesn't. Someone in another post in this thread was hyping the fact that Tony makes his cues out of one piece of wood from the joint to the bumper. Why is that so great? Don't you think that there are a ton of other very intelligent cuemakers out there that would be doing that if it was a better technique?
And who the hell are you to tell me I'm doing Paul a disservice? Why is that? Because I have an opinion that doesn't agree with you? Just curious, where's your BB cue? Do you even own one? If not then keep your opinion to yourself.
When something sits around and no one buys it... then that item is probably overpriced. Tony has no problem selling his cues, so they cannot be deemed "overpriced". You may not want to buy his cues... but that alone does not make them overpriced.
With that said, I played with a newer Black Boar at the SBE last year and it was one of the best playing cues I have ever laid my hands on. I couldn't get myself to pay $9K for though, but I did not believe it to be overpriced.
And just as an FYI... CMD has owned a Black Boar, but even if he had not, he is still entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to yours.
With that said, I played with a newer Black Boar at the SBE last year and it was one of the best playing cues I have ever laid my hands on. I couldn't get myself to pay $9K for though, but I did not believe it to be overpriced.
And just as an FYI... CMD has owned a Black Boar, but even if he had not, he is still entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to yours.
Really? It seems every time you comment, you make yourself look foolish. Show me another instance where I put down the value of another product I don't use without offering a valid reason for not liking the product.
I think a lot of cuemakers make fantastic products. I have owned most of the top tier makers at one time or another including Stroud, Joe Gold, Bender, Wayne, Chudy, Black, Hercek, Mottey, etc, etc, and yes PFD. There are some I would love to own such as Barry and Ernie but they are a bit out of my budget for the design I would want.
Most of you think Paul is the only cue maker that I like but it's not the case. There are a lot of others that I think make excellent product but I choose Paul because he makes a great product. Not only are they well thought out and excuted designs, but most play well which is a big selling point for me. Additionally, Paul and I have become good friends and because of that I chose to support him unconditionally. That to me means owning/playing with his cues. Of course there are other perks such as the fact that he lives close to me. That is a big selling factor because I can go to his shop and get anything I need done in a timely manner. Also, there is no substitute for being able to work side by side with the cuemaker on your design to insure you get exactly what you want.
Anyway, I am tired of making my point over and over when you BB lovers can't understand that it's just my opinion. And I am entitled to my opinion. So here is it for the last time. I think BB cues are way over priced. I do agree that they are nice cues but just not worth what Tony charges for them. There are much better values in the market.
My apologies go out to Wedge. I didn't mean for this to end up in such a huge threadjack.
Who am I? I am the guy that lost his shirt on pfd Studios cues. Iv'e owned them and been to Paul's shop many, many times. He lives about 15 minutes from me.
Why do I think you are doing a disservice? Because I do not think Paul could even program this cue. He is not built for this type of work. If he he suddenly changed his work and style I will apologize. Show me one, just one cue that comes even in the same universe as this Black Boar.
The only differnece between you and I in this is that I can appreciate a Black Boar for what it is. The new cues play absolutely out of this world. You are talking about cues that are 20 years old. I used to have an older BB but that is another story that I will not go into. Have you ever held a new Black Boar? I think not because your opinion is so strongly against them.
I choose not to spend my money on them because I would rather have more than just one cue in my posession. But they play like a devil posessed. It is one one the finest cues I have ever struck a ball with. If I had the money to spend, I would definitely ask Tony to make me a cue.
This is a public forum. My opinions flow freely...
When have you ever read Tikkler "hyping" Black Boars? Is this because he posts pictures of his cues? He doesn't even play with a Black Boar. Why would he "hype" them? How do you "hype" a Rolls Royce? Or a Lamborghini? He buys them because he can. He also buys a lot of cues because he can. There are many others on this forum that own big Black Boars, yet you single him out? Why is that? Why do you turn into a rabid dog against people? Eric Crisp. Travis Niklich. John Barton.
The OP asks a question about Black Boars. Then you come in on your soap box declaring pfd Studios is the equal to Black Boar. And that the are overhyped. This makes no sense? Do you feel you are som saviour helping the OP? Come on...
When will you ever let it go and just "hype" pfd Studios on his merits. And not just bashing another cuemaker...
I have never seen a PFD I would pay $4500 for.
It ain't the quality, it's the cuemaker's personality.
I guess im down on your list but i played with your cue also.I also said to you next to my Lomax your bb cue was the best hitting cue I have ever hit a ball with.
I couldn't put it down once I started playing with it.(and after I got done drooling over the looks of it)
Fatboy took it away from me after a coupe of hours,LOL
I don't know this Tony guy from Adam but I do know he makes an awesome playin cue!! I'm postive his cues will only go up in value. That's all from me,I just had to say how impressed i was of how good that cue plays and looks.Carry on.John B.
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I don't get who made you god & able to say they aren't worth what he charges for them??? How are their better values else where???
I want you to explain to how they are not???
Listen up a second..
You spent 4500 on a PFD even if u say your Paul's buddy and gives you a 4500 cue for 3k,,,, I'm looking at your cue and it hasn't sold their has been no interest and your chances of even getting your money back to break even are slim to none....(SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SPENDING LESS MONEY ON YOUR SO CALLED INVESTMENT WAS BETTER)
When..
Althought a Black Boar owner hands out some good money (well worth it get what ya pay for) Their cues when for sale which are hardly ever for sale (hardly for sale speaks the reason they play so good) but when for sale sell like lightning. Then the owner although they have thousands out there get their money back every single time no loss even when played with, no loss, and they Make a few thousand. Explain that ?????? Which is a better investment?????? Cue that hold their value and go up? Or your cue which only goes down? That's all, I just keep hearing u say investment in which u made a poor one! I and many others who can buy cues from tony and Donnie made an excellent investment
I don't get who made you god & able to say they aren't worth what he charges for them??? How are their better values else where???
I want you to explain to how they are not???
Listen up a second..
You spent 4500 on a PFD even if u say your Paul's buddy and gives you a 4500 cue for 3k,,,, I'm looking at your cue and it hasn't sold their has been no interest and your chances of even getting your money back to break even are slim to none....(SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SPENDING LESS MONEY ON YOUR SO CALLED INVESTMENT WAS BETTER)
When..
Althought a Black Boar owner hands out some good money (well worth it get what ya pay for) Their cues when for sale which are hardly ever for sale (hardly for sale speaks the reason they play so good) but when for sale sell like lightning. Then the owner although they have thousands out there get their money back every single time no loss even when played with, no loss, and they Make a few thousand. Explain that ?????? Which is a better investment?????? Cue that hold their value and go up? Or your cue which only goes down? That's all, I just keep hearing u say investment in which u made a poor one! I and many others who can buy cues from tony and Donnie made an excellent investment
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One only need look a the Black Bore Website to see the Cue are unique. I believe Tony's Plan Jane cue start around 6k if he will ever build you one.
I would also think a buyer who was anticipating in excess of 6K for a cue be it to play with or to store in a safe, and look at one in a while to get a buzz.
Would be smart enough to make up their own mind, weather a Black Boar was right for them, and those who wish to talk trash about Black Boar Cue, are just spinning their wheel IMHO.
I would also think a buyer who was anticipating in excess of 6K for a cue be it to play with or to store in a safe, and look at one in a while to get a buzz.
Would be smart enough to make up their own mind, weather a Black Boar was right for them, and those who wish to talk trash about Black Boar Cue, are just spinning their wheel IMHO.
I don't have a horse in this race but your comments are a little clouded.
BB makes beautiful cues for sure. Unfortunately I have never hit a ball with one, but I'm sure they play good. Where you are a little off is when you say they sell as fast as they are listed. In reality you don't see many because of how much they cost. And I believe their might only be 3-5 buyers in the world for his fancy cues. I would love to have one, but for the money I would be afraid their wont be a buyer if I decide to sell it. It will be interesting to see who's right about investing in his cues. Only time will tell.
Jmo.
BB makes beautiful cues for sure. Unfortunately I have never hit a ball with one, but I'm sure they play good. Where you are a little off is when you say they sell as fast as they are listed. In reality you don't see many because of how much they cost. And I believe their might only be 3-5 buyers in the world for his fancy cues. I would love to have one, but for the money I would be afraid their wont be a buyer if I decide to sell it. It will be interesting to see who's right about investing in his cues. Only time will tell.
Jmo.
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I will chime in at this point. I owned a beautiful PFD that booked at 5K. As soon as it arrived, I took it out to test drive it. The first shot was all I needed. I literally hated the way the cue hit. So, i figured I would just sell it and get something else. Wrong. The best offer I received was $1500. And everyone I talked to said that they could not sell PFD's. I was lucky enough to find someone to trade the PFD, plus a hefty amount of cash, for my Black Boar. And, it was well worth it. My cue plays soooooo good. It is the best playing cue I have ever played with, and I have played with quite a few of the top makers.
Now, I am certainly not trying to say Paul makes a bad hitting cue. I know people who have his cues as daily players, and love them. This particular cue was my only experience with PFD, but I couldn't play at all with that cue. But, I have come very close to buying two other PFD's, both with different joints than the one I had, because I think Paul is super, super talented. I love his designs, and his cues are very reasonably priced. But if I did/do ever buy another one, I would absolutely plan on either not selling it, or taking a loss on it. I am not sure why the market is the way it is, but that is the way it is. I will say that it is comforting knowing that I could probably sell my Boar for what I paid in a matter of days, if not hours.
I know there is a ton of hype about Tony's cues, but, IMHO, it is well deserved. I have hit a few different Boars, and every one of them were amazing players. So, when you take into consideration a Boar's resale value, why wouldn't you buy one if you could afford it? But, I cannot argue with someone buying a different cue for a lot less money if they love the way it plays. To each his own.
Braden
When I hit the Power Balll, I will buy a Black Boar, not a PDF!
Vinnie it's not clouded
Vinnie it's not clouded sir
The reason they aren't for sale isn't its cost it's because they Play awesome look awesome and collectors /pool players alike chose to keep them not sell them.its not the price. Their are way more than 3-5 people in the world that buy his cues. When they are offered they are swooped up and their is never an issue with their price usually hell not usually they are certainly sold for a profit because his cues go up. It's proven just a tad bit of true info
But we will see in the future what the value truly is like you said but I'm confident they will soar in value just my personal opinion
Vinnie it's not clouded sir
The reason they aren't for sale isn't its cost it's because they Play awesome look awesome and collectors /pool players alike chose to keep them not sell them.its not the price. Their are way more than 3-5 people in the world that buy his cues. When they are offered they are swooped up and their is never an issue with their price usually hell not usually they are certainly sold for a profit because his cues go up. It's proven just a tad bit of true info
But we will see in the future what the value truly is like you said but I'm confident they will soar in value just my personal opinion
I went back and read the post that says the old Boar's all have a buzz in the forearm. I have heard this before, and from someone whose opinion I trust. But, that person did not say that all of the old ones buzzed, but that he owned one that did. Well, after hearing about this, I took mine out and hit some balls trying to see if I could detect a buzz. I could not. I let a few friends smack some balls with it, and asked them to see if they could feel a buzz. They could not. In fact, one of those friends bought himself a beautiful AS-8 two weeks later. It doesn't buzz either.
Tony's cues are amazing, and I am not too sure anyone can make a cue like him. In my opinion, they are well worth every dollar.
And I also agree that the price of the cues has nothing to do with why you do not see many Boars for sale. It has more to do with the fact that people do not like to sell them. If they were so overpriced, you would see a bunch of people trying to sell their Black Boar, trying to get their money back to purchase something else. People do not let them go because they play so well, and because they appreciate in value.
Braden
Tony's cues are amazing, and I am not too sure anyone can make a cue like him. In my opinion, they are well worth every dollar.
And I also agree that the price of the cues has nothing to do with why you do not see many Boars for sale. It has more to do with the fact that people do not like to sell them. If they were so overpriced, you would see a bunch of people trying to sell their Black Boar, trying to get their money back to purchase something else. People do not let them go because they play so well, and because they appreciate in value.
Braden
I'm definitely not trying to pick a argument with you . :smile:
But, I am pretty sure that their isn't 4-5 cues in the world that are as big as Eric's,Eric P's, and Steve's. Meaning who else consistently buys 20-40k cues from Tony? Maybe Lucky back in the day. But he wasn't paying that kind of money. Like I said, no disrespect to BB they make some of the best cues in the world. It will be interesting to see how it all washes out in the end. Right now they are definitely for the wealthy cue collector. These are just my opinions.
Take care
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Agree
Vinnie no argument sir ... With your re written post I can agree no one has what the names you mention have except maybe 1-2 more that's very true. I thought u meant that's all of his customers
But there are many 15-20k cue and even his 8-10k players that are just the nutz.Not every one spends 30-80k on cues except those who can
Vinnie no argument sir ... With your re written post I can agree no one has what the names you mention have except maybe 1-2 more that's very true. I thought u meant that's all of his customers
But there are many 15-20k cue and even his 8-10k players that are just the nutz.Not every one spends 30-80k on cues except those who can