Blew BIH on 3 balls/WWYD?

I went downstairs and set this shot up. Of course it looks different when you are actually at the table. Here are a few ways to shoot it. My favorite was the last one which is a shot into the side pocket. Best control of the CB with that shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0pI7ZPAC68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEMHYg0Lj5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAMy1d8ZAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14omgMO9nNU

Very nice! The third vid....shooting the 8 to the 9....was an excellent shot.It kind of looked like you got Into trouble a little bit, but an excellent shot to get out of it! Nice.
 
Very nice! The third vid....shooting the 8 to the 9....was an excellent shot.It kind of looked like you got Into trouble a little bit, but an excellent shot to get out of it! Nice.

Thank you. I got too tight to the rail with more angle on the 8 than I wanted which forced me to go that way. I would only use that 3rd pattern if balls were in the way for any of the others. Position to the 8 has much less room for error with that shot.
 
Great CB.

What size table is that? And are you breaking with a mezz?



It's a 9-Foot Diamond Pro-Am Blue Label. That's all I ever really play on. I only get to practice about once or twice a week so when I do I like to play on the best equipment around.

Yes, that's a Mezz Power Break Pro with H shaft. I only break 10-ball at about 20mph as that speed seems to get the best results for me. I've been using a Mezz break cue for quite a while now, probably close to 5 years. It's the best break cue I've ever had.
 
I tried different paths for an hour or so and confirmed that my first instincts were correct, that the z-shot is the best choice. The shot itself is difficult to miss, medium speed with follow is incredibly easy to control and I can get pretty much the perfect angle I need on the 8 nearly everytime (Brandon showed this in his video as well).

All the other shots, straight follow, 2 rails out of the corner, draw, etc. are not hard to pull off, and are fine for most players who are only concerned with getting on the 8 and having some kind of an angle to get on the 9. But if you want the easiest possible shot on the 8 to get to the 9, you need to have the ideal angle on the 8, and for my money, the z-shot is the simplest and most consistent way to get there.

If you said you liked this one, you are lying!
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He is left handed:wink:
 
Hey back off man, it ain't easy being a lefty! I didn't have my cue the other day and all they had were right-handed cues so I played like crap all night.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
 
Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB

Come on man....why does everything have to be about money to you? This is the second time in this thread you said this. There was what....4 of us....that had the nards to post a vid to show how to do it. Put up a vid and show us your way. Until you do, the only "fluff" is coming from you!Fluff is people who would be lucky to run these three balls 3 times out of 10 acting like they know what's best.

Nothing personal here. A little bit of spit balling. Just giving you some incentive to show us! Come on fluff man.....prove your way is better!
Educate us....without money being a motivating factorI already did and most ignored it.

I'm not asking anyone to bet anything, I'm just asking them to try to think about what they would shoot for money. That is the only way to learn and that's why I mention it. It doesn't hurt to shoot the wrong shot playing for fun.

I do not have a video camera and don't know how to post videos anyway.

P.S. If you've ever played 9 ball for $100 per game or sets for $1000 of your own money then you would learn the right shots or run out of money. Sometimes both happen:wink:.

It's no huge deal to me if anyone here ever learns anything from me but I try to be helpful to those who want to learn.


ONB
 
12 pages its taken to figure out how to run 3 balls. 3 stun run through shots is all it takes. I dread to think how long the thread would be if this was an entire rack.
 
The only thing I wanted to add is (maybe it's already been said), the shape on the 8 is obviously key. You don't want to land straight and you don't want to be on the rail. That said, landing on the rail is definitely a possibility and if you're going to land on a rail, you'd rather it be the bottom right portion of the table, not the top right. The top right's zone is not only smaller because of the slightly off-center position of the 8, it shrinks further when you include you can't fall on that rail and expect good results.
 
12 pages its taken to figure out how to run 3 balls. 3 stun run through shots is all it takes. I dread to think how long the thread would be if this was an entire rack.

How, exactly, are you going to get from the 8 to the 9 with just a stun shot?
 
12 pages its taken to figure out how to run 3 balls. 3 stun run through shots is all it takes. I dread to think how long the thread would be if this was an entire rack.

Yawn... Sounds just like one of those youtube comments trying stir up the pool vs snooker argument.
 
Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB

You are absolutely correct about that shot. It self corrects spinning out of the corner and the spin kills it on the third rail.

The rub is where the cue ball needs to be placed to get the best natural angle from there if you are right handed. Your left hip/thigh will be scrunched against the side rail and you will be reaching just a bit too far. I try to never put my body in an awkward stance or bridge over balls with ball in hand if possible. Having said that I will not take your bet. That position route is money 101 in the first chapter of nine ball.

JC
 
How, exactly, are you going to get from the 8 to the 9 with just a stun shot?
Stun run through. Or punch follow as some call it. Hit the ball firm so it slides for the majority of its journey, then the ball gathers a slight amount of follow before it contacts the object ball. Depending on the firmness of the shot and how much follow you generate is how you get to the 9. Either one rail or short rail to short rail, which is what id prefer to do.
 
Yawn... Sounds just like one of those youtube comments trying stir up the pool vs snooker argument.
How do you manage to come to that conclusion? Because I used a term to describe a shot that isn't normally used on this site? Shoot me.
 
The only thing I wanted to add is (maybe it's already been said), the shape on the 8 is obviously key. You don't want to land straight and you don't want to be on the rail. That said, landing on the rail is definitely a possibility and if you're going to land on a rail, you'd rather it be the bottom right portion of the table, not the top right. The top right's zone is not only smaller because of the slightly off-center position of the 8, it shrinks further when you include you can't fall on that rail and expect good results.

Agreed. It is also harder to get position on the 9 from above the 8 than it is from below the 8.
 
12 pages its taken to figure out how to run 3 balls.
I think it's actually interesting because of the BIH aspect, because I've had situations with BIH where I feel like there are several outs available of nearly the same difficulty and I've just gone with whichever one feels right. Even if I get out doing that, I still sometimes think back and wonder if I really picked the best out. If I don't get out, I'm sure to end up second-guessing my choice.

The fact is, most of the suggested outs are viable options and may come up when you don't have BIH, so it's not about whether they can be done. Rather, it's all about choosing the most natural out with the least risk involved.

Personally, it's also called my attention to a good shot that I don't play position for very often: the Z from long rail to long rail through the middle of the table. I'm much more likely to set myself up for going 3 rails (short rail first), which means coming across the shot line and often straight towards the corner pocket.
 
Since we are still talking...

Another variable too consider is table speed. On a slow table like I have I think it is easier to lag the cue ball around for position than it is on a faster table. On a slow table if I move my cue stick 10% too fast it doesn't affect the landing position nearly as much as if I did the same thing on a fast table. In other words, speed control is much easier on slow cloth. On the faster tables, speed control becomes more difficult and hitting the cue ball 10% too hard can leave you watching the cue ball fly right past the intended zone. (Note -- The 10% number I just pulled out of thin air to make a point).
 
12 pages its taken to figure out how to run 3 balls. 3 stun run through shots is all it takes. ...
So for the 7-ball shot you would play the 7 to one of the corner pockets by the 8? Or would you go to a side pocket?
 
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