boys dressing badly

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On that vein, wearing hats indoors is being rude? I know you're in Japan and all but damn, that's kinda 1940's. It never offended me in the slightest. Why would it? It's less comfortable for the other guy and he'll be distracted by the bill when he shoots... but his comfort doesn't affect me.

I'm American, man, born and raised in Cincinnati. I'm only 42 too so it's not like I'm an old relic pulling rules out from past centuries. When I was growing up I was taught that wearing a hat indoors is poor manners. Sorry, I stick to that. One problem with this world, America in particular, is that it's getting to the point where everyone wants to do what they want to do and not give a flying rats ass about the people around them. I'm very happy living in Japan where being part of the community and adhering to some kind of standard is the norm.
MULLY
 
When was the last time someone saw a televised event where a player was not dressed in something like a polo shirt and slacks? Not a stream of some event with 50 guys in a pool room somewhere but an event produced for TV?

I am sure at some point the heads of marketing for Coke, Cadillac and Hertz were all hanging at the crib together sweating a $500 added B Player tournament stream and having this conversation:

Hertz dude: "You know this pool stuff is hot."

Coke dude: "You're right dog....and I have been looking for something to spend a couple mil on."

Cadillac dude: "Dude. That guy has on plaid shorts and a shirt that says "I make my mom post." No way can you do anything with pool."

Hertz and Coke dude in unison" Yeah. You're right. If only they dressed like they were going to the opera."

I am sure that conversation totally happened.

For those who don't get out much, most events featuring top players have a dress code.

Personally I am a fan of the Alex style of formal attire:

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On a lower scale

When was the last time someone saw a televised event where a player was not dressed in something like a polo shirt and slacks? Not a stream of some event with 50 guys in a pool room somewhere but an event produced for TV?

I am sure at some point the heads of marketing for Coke, Cadillac and Hertz were all hanging at the crib together sweating a $500 added B Player tournament stream and having this conversation:

Hertz dude: "You know this pool stuff is hot."

Coke dude: "You're right dog....and I have been looking for something to spend a couple mil on."

Cadillac dude: "Dude. That guy has on plaid shorts and a shirt that says "I make my mom post." No way can you do anything with pool."

Hertz and Coke dude in unison" Yeah. You're right. If only they dressed like they were going to the opera."

I am sure that conversation totally happened.

For those who don't get out much, most events featuring top players have a dress code.

Personally I am a fan of the Alex style of formal attire:

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Local tournaments and State Championships could attract more local sponsorship! I mean local bars, eateries, car dealerships...like that. I was not talking about Bill Gates! If you were say a local business would you throw in added money into a state championship after you saw the short video of the finals I posted?
 
this is so unimportant? but kind of interesting to me?

is there any sport other than pool -- individual or team -- where the players dress so slovenly? i'm not talking about a nite out with your buds! but a competition which will be streamed or even televised?

for a sport which is losing 'share of attention' generation-by-generation, maybe the silly little things can make a difference?

girls -- i'm not talking about you! you dress comfortably and smartly!

but, a glance at any other sport -- well, let's admit bowling shirts are not exactly fashion-forward, and i'm not sure poker is really a sport? -- but other sports have uniforms or dress codes or at least a basement-level sense of style?

if pool ever again gains some significant tv exposure ... well, disney is as ruthless as goldman. disney owns abc which is losing share, shedding people, running scared. and abc owns 80% of the espn family, which is smartly profitable.

but, for all its frat boy casualness, espn has the buttoned-down corporate culture looming over it.

but, maybe i'm all wrong?

or, as i prefer to believe, the pool community is so fortunate that i'm so generous in sharing my thoughts!

cheers!

sunny


I am sorry ahead of time for anyone I offend, but the truth can hurt.


Pool is FILLED with the wrong types of people. Wiggers, Wangsters, Wanna-Be's, etc. So long as it is filled with low class people, it will always have the same problems it has now. Just the way it is!
 
Local tournaments and State Championships could attract more local sponsorship! I mean local bars, eateries, car dealerships...like that. I was not talking about Bill Gates! If you were say a local business would you throw in added money into a state championship after you saw the short video of the finals I posted?

If I was a local business and thought it would improve my business yes I would. But seeing as how sponsoring a small one time local event is likely to have zero effect on a non-industry sponsors bottom line I doubt what the players are wearing is a deciding factor.

Some of the biggest companies in the world sponsor MMA fights and by law every fan, fighter and associate must wear a tshirt with skulls, dragons and tigers on it at all times. Doesn't seem to slow them down much. You know why ? Because it makes financial sense for those companies to spend that money. They see a demonstrable return on their investment. Unless and until that problem is solved in pool worrying about what some dude wears at the Minnetonka, Minnesota city 9 ball championship is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
Sorry Justin

If I was a local business and thought it would improve my business yes I would. But seeing as how sponsoring a small one time local event is likely to have zero effect on a non-industry sponsors bottom line I doubt what the players are wearing is a deciding factor.

Some of the biggest companies in the world sponsor MMA fights and by law every fan, fighter and associate must wear a tshirt with skulls, dragons and tigers on it at all times. Doesn't seem to slow them down much. You know why ? Because it makes financial sense for those companies to spend that money. They see a demonstrable return on their investment. Unless and until that problem is solved in pool worrying about what some dude wears at the Minnetonka, Minnesota city 9 ball championship is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

My name is Wojciechowski and I am Polish...perhaps I will sponsor the next event in Maryland with Mushy Peas and Tokens :)

Be well and I love your commentary...just keep Daz and the "Hottie with the Pottie mouth "together in the booth!!!
 
I can see some benefit to the players by dressing nicely. I don't think Sunny is talking about tuxedos or suits.

Let's be honest, some of the players have occasionally been guilty of wearing clothes that look like they belong in the Salvation Army's rag pile.

It would be nice if the players paid a little more attention to wearing clothing that would not turn a viewers stomach.

Personally, I don't care much for some of the styles of clothing these days but I can overlook a lot of different styles but think that any person with their pants hanging off their buttocks, showing their drawers and constantly pulling on them to keep the trousers from falling to the floor should be thrown out of any public establishment and forced to go and work as a drink server to the convicts at the Annual Angola Prison rodeo.

Lucky Joe
 
Let's be honest, some of the players have occasionally been guilty of wearing clothes that look like they belong in the Salvation Army's rag pile.


Lucky Joe

Lets be honest.
Some of the players are so broke, that they probably DID get some of their clothes from the Salvation Army.
 
worrying about what some dude wears at the Minnetonka, Minnesota city 9 ball championship is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

I actually won the Minnetonka city championship in cut-off jean shorts and a deadstroke shirt.:happydance:

Justin, I am curious to where you pulled this city out of. I am curious to where they would hold the tourney, since there is not a pool room 15 miles from Minnetonka.
 
The pinoys will beat you in their flip-flops, faded jeans and baggy shirts... it wouldn't matter if your wearing a suit and tie or a speedo...if the guy or gal playing you wants to wear a thong and dutch wooden shoes, who cares?
 
I'm a bowling shirt kinda guy. If you want some nice pool/bowling shirts, try www.bowlingshirt.com
Good deals there most of the time. Retro bowling shirts that you can have custom embroidered for your team.
 
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I am sorry ahead of time for anyone I offend, but the truth can hurt.


Pool is FILLED with the wrong types of people. Wiggers, Wangsters, Wanna-Be's, etc. So long as it is filled with low class people, it will always have the same problems it has now. Just the way it is!

No need to apologize. You hit the nail right on the head. You said what a lot of us are already thinking.
 
or, as i prefer to believe, the pool community is so fortunate that i'm so generous in sharing my thoughts!

cheers!

sunny


Well, of course we are sunny. Your our resident fashion consultant! Speaking of good taste, your also connoisseur of fine foods. Carry on sunnyone, its the thought that counts and thanks for sharing.

Oh about the topic; I wouldn't know. LOL

Rod
 
I'm American, man, born and raised in Cincinnati. I'm only 42 too so it's not like I'm an old relic pulling rules out from past centuries. When I was growing up I was taught that wearing a hat indoors is poor manners. Sorry, I stick to that. One problem with this world, America in particular, is that it's getting to the point where everyone wants to do what they want to do and not give a flying rats ass about the people around them. I'm very happy living in Japan where being part of the community and adhering to some kind of standard is the norm.
MULLY

I do feel ya on the decline of common courtesy, and japan's focus on politeness makes it sound like a nice place to be.

I'm sure there are still people who sweat the indoor hats, but I guess I never got the logic. Pretty much all the little things we call good manners have a common sense reason behind them.

For example you don't put elbows on the table because you might crowd the guy next to you or put your dirty elbow germs on the cloth (lol). You don't tip in japan because they already have it built it and it puts the waiter in an awkward position trying to give it back.

But what is the negative impact for wearing a hat, what's the logic behind it? I guess because in the old days you'd take off your hat for a lady or for the host, and once you're indoors you'll probably be in the presence of one or the other.

All I can say is, apply the golden rule. If you see a standard hat worn in the usual way at a pool hall, can you honestly say it bothers you?
 
I'm American, man, born and raised in Cincinnati. I'm only 42 too so it's not like I'm an old relic pulling rules out from past centuries. When I was growing up I was taught that wearing a hat indoors is poor manners. Sorry, I stick to that. One problem with this world, America in particular, is that it's getting to the point where everyone wants to do what they want to do and not give a flying rats ass about the people around them. I'm very happy living in Japan where being part of the community and adhering to some kind of standard is the norm.
MULLY

Mully:

Gold star! I'm 44, born and raised in Westchester County, NY (but have spent a good amount of my life in the U.S. Navy, living on the West coast, and then later in the South). I was also raised the same way -- I'm not an old relic from the past, but I was taught manners. The same thing with the hat indoors (good example). As well as, always look your best when meeting people for the first time (which, when you think about it, you *are* doing when going to a pool tournament -- player or spectator, it doesn't matter).

I personally wear a nice full-sleeve full-collared shirt, dress slacks, and socks that blend with my shoes. Speaking of shoes, they aren't full dress types, but rather smart-looking casual/comfortable shoes (I have a pair of "Mr. Cat" hand-made suede shoes that I bought in Brazil that are the most comfortable pair of shoes I've ever owned -- and I take care of them). I also have some nice casual Rockports that are very comfortable, very conducive to being on one's feet, walking/stalking around the pool table. Definitely no sneakers or flip-flops. Nor T-shirts for that matter.

I can understand about folks wanting to be comfortable. But let's consider one's image, especially in front of spectators. Yes yes, "I want to do what I want to do, and you can kiss my *ss." This attitude only gets you so far in life. It's like everyone's reading "do what you want to do, at the exact moment you want to do it" works from Osho or Richard Bach, but then bemoans what's happened with the pool industry, or how pool is left trying to wrestle itself out of the gutter of sports.

I like how certain folks are extremists, and take the "dress just a bit smarter" suggestion to extremes, and retort with the haughty, "yeah, right, like you'll see me in a 3-piece suit -- 'oh, let me get right on it and get sized for one post-haste!'" That's not what "smarter" means, smart *ss. T-shirts, flip-flops, and ragged jeans just ain't cutting it.

These same people also seem fond of quoting Rudolph Wanderone (aka, Minnesota Fats) when he famously said, "dressing a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog." Yet these same people completely ignore the fact that Fatty was ALWAYS smartly dressed, no matter the fact he hated tuxedos (which, at the time, were advocated for public professional tournaments). Fatty ALWAYS wore a sport jacket, even when bent over a table shooting (which pool players today don't even do -- they take any jackets off!), dress shirt, slacks, very snazzy shoes, etc. Fatty liked to show how "well off" he was precisely by how he dressed. So misquoting Fatty's specific balk at tuxedos is completely out of context and not in the spirit of what Fatty was trying to say. Fatty believed in showing off the fact you "have the cash," but not to the extreme of wearing formal tuxedos.

By the way, the original poster (sunnyone) seems fond of referring to "boys" and "girls." I like to think my fellow pool players/enthusiasts are "men" and "women." The distinction is clear, too -- "boys and girls" dress like, well, "boys and girls." Men and women, being mature adults, dress a lot sharper.

Just my $0.02,
-Sean
 
Well I definitly fall in the slob catagory. And frankly Scarlet I don't give a damn. I wear sweat pants and sweatshirt or a T shirt depending on the weather. Old sneakers and a baseball cap. The cap cuts the glare on my glasses from the lights.

I'm old,fat (and slimming down),bald and ugly. I got no one to impress.

Mark Shuman
 
Mully:

Gold star! I'm 44, born and raised in Westchester County, NY (but have spent a good amount of my life in the U.S. Navy, living on the West coast, and then later in the South). I was also raised the same way -- I'm not an old relic from the past, but I was taught manners. The same thing with the hat indoors (good example). As well as, always look your best when meeting people for the first time (which, when you think about it, you *are* doing when going to a pool tournament -- player or spectator, it doesn't matter).

I personally wear a nice full-sleeve full-collared shirt, dress slacks, and socks that blend with my shoes. Speaking of shoes, they aren't full dress types, but rather smart-looking casual/comfortable shoes (I have a pair of "Mr. Cat" hand-made suede shoes that I bought in Brazil that are the most comfortable pair of shoes I've ever owned -- and I take care of them). I also have some nice casual Rockports that are very comfortable, very conducive to being on one's feet, walking/stalking around the pool table. Definitely no sneakers or flip-flops. Nor T-shirts for that matter.

I can understand about folks wanting to be comfortable. But let's consider one's image, especially in front of spectators. Yes yes, "I want to do what I want to do, and you can kiss my *ss." This attitude only gets you so far in life. It's like everyone's reading "do what you want to do, at the exact moment you want to do it" works from Osho or Richard Bach, but then bemoans what's happened with the pool industry, or how pool is left trying to wrestle itself out of the gutter of sports.

I like how certain folks are extremists, and take the "dress just a bit smarter" suggestion to extremes, and retort with the haughty, "yeah, right, like you'll see me in a 3-piece suit -- 'oh, let me get right on it and get sized for one post-haste!'" That's not what "smarter" means, smart *ss. T-shirts, flip-flops, and ragged jeans just ain't cutting it.

These same people also seem fond of quoting Rudolph Wanderone (aka, Minnesota Fats) when he famously said, "dressing a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog." Yet these same people completely ignore the fact that Fatty was ALWAYS smartly dressed, no matter the fact he hated tuxedos (which, at the time, were advocated for public professional tournaments). Fatty ALWAYS wore a sport jacket, even when bent over a table shooting (which pool players today don't even do -- they take any jackets off!), dress shirt, slacks, very snazzy shoes, etc. Fatty liked to show how "well off" he was precisely by how he dressed. So misquoting Fatty's specific balk at tuxedos is completely out of context and not in the spirit of what Fatty was trying to say. Fatty believed in showing off the fact you "have the cash," but not to the extreme of wearing formal tuxedos.

By the way, the original poster (sunnyone) seems fond of referring to "boys" and "girls." I like to think my fellow pool players/enthusiasts are "men" and "women." The distinction is clear, too -- "boys and girls" dress like, well, "boys and girls." Men and women, being mature adults, dress a lot sharper.

Just my $0.02,
-Sean

You get a gold star too, Sean. For everything you wrote except about the socks. My Niki Dri-Fit running socks don't have a chance of matching any clothing that I own or you own, but I'm not giving them up. I like the orange, two-tone silver and black socks and I'm not giving them up for you or anyone else. No one mentioned underwear either and my Champion underwear is staying. Those two are private matters and not for public display. :grin:

Two thumbs up for Sunnyone starting this thread which has fostered so many interesting perspectives.

It looks like the old saying holds true once again: It all depends upon whose ox is getting gored.

JoeyA
 
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