Brunswick Centennial vs Aramith Super Pro

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Looking for your opinion. I currently have Aramith "Standard" billiard balls and my cloth doesn't stay as clean as I would like even with brushing etc. The local pool store where I bought my table said I need to upgrade to Brunswick Centennial because my standard Aramith's are "burning" the cloth. He said that when players use the Centennial balls that they never complain of track or burn marks on their tables because they have a better coating that eliminates the tracking/burning. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about. In the end I am going to buy a higher grade of balls. Which would you buy Brunswick Centennials or Aramith Super Pros and why? Thanks.
 
And the cloth is.........

Also, what kind of cloth are you using? I'm sure some are more prone to burn marks than others.
 
I am using Brunswick Centennial cloth right now which is nice cloth. When I make the ball switch I am going to go to Mercury Ultra, which I understand may be a step down in quality, but it is what we play on at our VNEA tournaments.
 
The Brunswick cloth is very nice. There used to be a pool hall near me that had the Brunswick cloth, which is the only time I've played on it, but really enjoyed it. I don't think the new balls will matter much as far as choice goes they're pretty equal. I have read on the forum that the polish on the centennials lasts longer and I personally prefer them too. Good Luck. :thumbup:
 
I used to think Super aramiths were better than centennials...however i think after years of experience that they are far inferior...they skid more and just don't separate cleanly from one another like centennials...especially on thin cuts...
 
A lot of people say the Aramith Super Pro and the Centennials are exactly the same. I have both but I do not know.

Take a look at the new Aramith Tournament Balls. I think they are better than the other two. They stay clean longer and less skids.

http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/index.php?idlien=10
 

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I have tournament blue Simonis 860 HR and Centenial balls there are tons of burn marks. Might be due to the blue color. I think you get burn marks reguardless.
 
schonshooter said:
.... Which would you buy Brunswick Centennials or Aramith Super Pros and why? Thanks.
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Do you intend to compete or are you only going to play at home?

If you plan to play in competition, you should try to get the same balls that are usually used there. Different sets of balls play differently, and if you tune your game for perfect conditions, you will be sadly disappointed in the real world.

If you are going to just play at home, get what makes you feel best. I think, however, that the supplier you talked to would like very much to make a sale, and this may influence what he says.

I think that a player's game has to be at a very high level before the differences between sets of top-end Saluc balls (all of the sets mentioned above are made by Saluc) will make any difference on the table. I think this is especially true after six months of use.
 
schonshooter said:
Looking for your opinion. I currently have Aramith "Standard" billiard balls and my cloth doesn't stay as clean as I would like even with brushing etc. The local pool store where I bought my table said I need to upgrade to Brunswick Centennial because my standard Aramith's are "burning" the cloth. He said that when players use the Centennial balls that they never complain of track or burn marks on their tables because they have a better coating that eliminates the tracking/burning. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about. In the end I am going to buy a higher grade of balls. Which would you buy Brunswick Centennials or Aramith Super Pros and why? Thanks.
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This is from the Saluc website:

The Super Aramith PRO also exists in the Centennial design produced for Brunswick.

Other than cosmetic design, Centennials and Super Pros are presumably the same. Some people claim that the Centennials are produced to tighter tolerances, but I've never seen documentation to support that.
 
I found it a little odd that you are willing to step down to mercury cloth because thats the cloth on the tables you will be playing on, but, you are then willing to buy premium balls. I would think you would want to go with the cheap set of balls that comes with typical bar boxes.

If I had the room I would have 2 tables. One nine foot GC3 and one valley bar box thats set up just like local bar tables.
 
schonshooter said:
Looking for your opinion. I currently have Aramith "Standard" billiard balls and my cloth doesn't stay as clean as I would like even with brushing etc. The local pool store where I bought my table said I need to upgrade to Brunswick Centennial because my standard Aramith's are "burning" the cloth. He said that when players use the Centennial balls that they never complain of track or burn marks on their tables because they have a better coating that eliminates the tracking/burning. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about. In the end I am going to buy a higher grade of balls. Which would you buy Brunswick Centennials or Aramith Super Pros and why? Thanks.
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Brushing the cloth doesn't clean it - you're just moving chalk dust and debris, not removing it so don't blame the ball type.
Any worsted cloth is going to show burn marks from friction even from the top ball sets (Cents & SP's) so IMO the pool store guy is putting a sales job on you.

If you switch to the Ultra cloth you decrease the ball burn problem considerably but also give up the speed and precision you get from worsted cloth. In addition you'll eventually get pilling (fuzzies) with Ultra since it's a napped woolen cloth. Kind of a tradeoff but if where you play uses Ultra and you switch then you should be fine with the standard Aramith set you have now.

You can use a vacuum attachment (no beater bar) or a dustbuster to get most of the chalk dust out of the cloth. And before anyone suggests an X1 - it won't work because Centennial is teflon treated.
 
What Dartman said. And BTW Schonshooter, he's one of the very knowledgeable table mechanics on this board. I use Cents and have burn marks on my 860HR scattered around the table primarily from hard-hit shots, especially those with draw. It's no big deal really. Since they are disbursed all around the table it isn't all that noticeable as they sort of blend in.

When they get more noticeable is when they are concentrated in certain areas like along the head string line from breaking. Using a break cloth will take care of that.
 
I agree with Bob...and the high level player won't care what balls they use (among the top sets offered). They ALL go in the hole. The OP should take the same approach (read: it doesn't matter...get what you like).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Bob Jewett said:
I think that a player's game has to be at a very high level before the differences between sets of top-end Saluc balls (all of the sets mentioned above are made by Saluc) will make any difference on the table. I think this is especially true after six months of use.
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dmgwalsh said:
A lot of people say the Aramith Super Pro and the Centennials are exactly the same. I have both but I do not know.

Take a look at the new Aramith Tournament Balls. I think they are better than the other two. They stay clean longer and less skids.

http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/index.php?idlien=10
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I own this same exact set, and i absolutely love them... i shoot with this set for hours on end, and there are no marks on the table after i finish. i shoot on a Simonis 860

-Steve
 
stevekur1 said:
I own this same exact set, and i absolutely love them... i shoot with this set for hours on end, and there are no marks on the table after i finish. i shoot on a Simonis 860

-Steve
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But you are primarily 14.1, correct?

I am rotation games mainly and am VERY ANGRY that

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I have tournament blue Simonis 860 HR and Centenial balls there are tons of burn marks.
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Dartman, thanks for the information! I ordered some Aramith
Ball Cleaner and some "Quick Clean" from Seyberts. I am going to vacuum the cloth off and use the Quick Clean on it. Then clean my standard Aramith's and go from there. For anyone interested I will take before and after pics of the cleaning from the Quick Clean, or maybe Dartman has some insight to this product. Thanks For All The Info!
 
Bob Jewett said:
Do you intend to compete or are you only going to play at home?

If you plan to play in competition, you should try to get the same balls that are usually used there. Different sets of balls play differently, and if you tune your game for perfect conditions, you will be sadly disappointed in the real world.

If you are going to just play at home, get what makes you feel best. I think, however, that the supplier you talked to would like very much to make a sale, and this may influence what he says.

I think that a player's game has to be at a very high level before the differences between sets of top-end Saluc balls (all of the sets mentioned above are made by Saluc) will make any difference on the table. I think this is especially true after six months of use.
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Bob put it extremely well. Other posters were also right on the money.
1) Your sales guy is trying to make a sale.
2) Centennials and super pros are the same composite.
3) The only balls that Aramith claim to be made of a tighter composite resin and are supposed to reduce burn marks and increase cloth longevity are the new Tournament balls.

That being said, I have a new set of Aramith Tournament balls and love them! It is too early to say that they create less burn marks than other Aramith balls, but they do have a slightly different sound (more crisp) when hit. I also love the looks of them, best looking balls imho.

If your primary goal in buying a new set of balls is to reduce burn marks I would buy the Tournaments since they are the only balls that claim this benefit.

Either way they are Great balls and you will be very happy with them. :D
 
schonshooter said:
Dartman, thanks for the information! I ordered some Aramith
Ball Cleaner and some "Quick Clean" from Seyberts. I am going to vacuum the cloth off and use the Quick Clean on it. Then clean my standard Aramith's and go from there. For anyone interested I will take before and after pics of the cleaning from the Quick Clean, or maybe Dartman has some insight to this product. Thanks For All The Info!
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Please do. I would love to see before and after pics.
Thank you
 
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