BUTCHERS WAX for SHAFTS

Be careful...

Check out the Material Safety Data Sheet for Butcher's White Diamond Bowling Alley Wax.

http://www.mopbucketandwringer.com/msds/cleaningmsdssheets/docs/29/2925/2925182.pdf

The MSDS says its 60-75% Mineral Spirits and 10-25% Turpentine.., good for shafts??

Also, turpentine is the solvent used to make a hard wax into a paste and is known to be very bad for any leather tip so be careful!

Now check the Material Safety Data Sheet for SC Johnson's Paste Wax which lists it's ingredients as 3-7% Carnuba wax and 60-90% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent.

http://www.k-state.edu/facilities/storeroom/msds01/Johnson Paste Wax 016094.pdf

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent??.., not on my shaft!
 
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Dana Bufalo said:
Check out the Material Safety Data Sheet for Butcher's White Diamond Bowling Alley Wax.

http://www.mopbucketandwringer.com/msds/cleaningmsdssheets/docs/29/2925/2925182.pdf

The MSDS says its 60-75% Mineral Spirits and 10-25% Turpentine.., good for shafts??

Also, turpentine is the solvent used to make a hard wax into a paste and is known to be very bad for any leather tip so be careful!

Now check the Material Safety Data Sheet for SC Johnson's Paste Wax which lists it's ingredients as 3-7% Carnuba wax and 60-90% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent.

http://www.k-state.edu/facilities/storeroom/msds01/Johnson Paste Wax 016094.pdf

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent??.., not on my shaft!

Honestly, you can rattle off any chemical that you want, but I love the
stuff. I've been using in since Mr. Varney sugguested it. Like someone
mentioned before, the more you use it the better it gets. First application,
somewhat smoother. By the fourth or fifith application, its awesome. I
havent noticed any buildup of any kind. Just dry, hard, shiny, and smooth.
I've used it on normal shafts, and on a Predator shaft. I have no reason to
stop trying. Its the best stuff I've ever used by far. Oh, by the way, I got
my big can on Ebay for about $12.00 shipped to my door. After almost a
year or so, theres still at least 90% left.
 
I also recommend Butchers wax. I heard about it from Mr. Varney as well, and I think it works great and lasts a long time.

I purchased mine at Ace HArdware as well.

Hope it helps,

KMRUNOUT
 
Dana Bufalo said:
Check out the Material Safety Data Sheet for Butcher's White Diamond Bowling Alley Wax.

http://www.mopbucketandwringer.com/msds/cleaningmsdssheets/docs/29/2925/2925182.pdf

The MSDS says its 60-75% Mineral Spirits and 10-25% Turpentine.., good for shafts??

Also, turpentine is the solvent used to make a hard wax into a paste and is known to be very bad for any leather tip so be careful!

Now check the Material Safety Data Sheet for SC Johnson's Paste Wax which lists it's ingredients as 3-7% Carnuba wax and 60-90% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent.

http://www.k-state.edu/facilities/storeroom/msds01/Johnson Paste Wax 016094.pdf

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent??.., not on my shaft!

I would say you are correct. Unfortunately most cleaners, waxes, slickers, etc can be toxic or cause skin irritation if you are sensitive to those chemicals. I believe for the most part there is very little quantity left on the shaft to cause major health issues.

I can see problems arising if you were swimming in the stuff. Heck some of the old books talk about using lighter fluid on your shaft. Lighter fluid.... a petroleum product. Mind you those were also the days when it was safe to ride a bike without a helmet.

My real point is moderation is the thing. For me it is almost a wipe on/wipe off thing or at least buffing it off. For me I spin the shaft on a lathe and generate the heat to burnish.

I guess if they ever come out with an organic wax or cleaner that is safe to touch or eat, I will use that. Finally the butchers is made for wood. As such I believe it would be safe for most normal shafts. Of course I can't tell you if it was safe on a laminated shaft (ie OB1) because of the turpentine or mineral spirits and glue in the shaft.

Don't get me wrong if I thought it wasn't safe I wouldn't use it. I just don't see any issues with the limited exposure I have.
 
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Dana Bufalo said:
Check out the Material Safety Data Sheet for Butcher's White Diamond Bowling Alley Wax.

http://www.mopbucketandwringer.com/msds/cleaningmsdssheets/docs/29/2925/2925182.pdf

The MSDS says its 60-75% Mineral Spirits and 10-25% Turpentine.., good for shafts??

Also, turpentine is the solvent used to make a hard wax into a paste and is known to be very bad for any leather tip so be careful!

Now check the Material Safety Data Sheet for SC Johnson's Paste Wax which lists it's ingredients as 3-7% Carnuba wax and 60-90% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent.

http://www.k-state.edu/facilities/storeroom/msds01/Johnson Paste Wax 016094.pdf

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon Solvent??.., not on my shaft!

The other thing is from your avatar I would suggest you are probably affiliated with the shaft and ferrule cleaner. As such I am sure you are aware of all the hazards. I followed your links to the products and looked at the MSDS for the shaft and cue treatment. Section III advises Avoid all contact with product by wearing protective gloves, keeping sleeves rolled down, and by wearing eye protection while handling the product.

As I've never used the product in your avatar, it you want to send me a sample I will objectively review it and post my finding.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

My only point is that ALL products are probably not safe when we talk about the chemicals. Of course some are safer than others. For me I haven't found any health issues with the Butchers. If I develop any problems I will definitely switch to something else.

Also I do appreciate all folks that bring things like this to our attention so we can make informed decisions.
 
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Ken_4fun said:
Guys, -

I dont have any for sale, but about a year ago Varney suggested using Butchers Wax on shafts. The wax is designed for bowling alley lanes and it is dries clear. I especially recommend on new shafts, it is effective on played shafts as well.

It really is the nutz.

For those who might wonder, magic eraser is IMO the best for cleaning and this wax makes the shafts absolutely slick as ice.

Hope this helps.

Ken
I do cue repairs and after reading about Butchers Bowling Alley Wax on this forum I bought a can and tried it and it's absolutely the best shaft wax i've ever tried and i've tried a lot. I found that you need to let it dry at least 5 minutes for best results. I clean my shafts and apply a liberal coat of the wax, let it dry, and buff it out. It works great.........

James
 
fsarfino said:
I bought a can of this about 7 months ago. I applied it to a players sneaky and the Mc Dermott that I had at the time it worked great and is still working great on the players sneaky.

I've been thinking about putting on my OB1 shaft but I'm kinda worried it might damage it since this shaft is laminated, Has anyone used this on a OB1 before ?
I've used it on OB-1 and Predator shafts and it works great. No problems at all.

James
 
What if you use something like Q-wiz pads (like very fine sandpaper) to clean your shaft? I assume that would affect the wax?
 
I too use the Q-wiz pads when necessary then I follow with a leather burnisher. Works great. I'm wondering if the wax builds up over time?
 
The Butchers Wax Varney thread info

I saved the pertinent info in a Word file, and "polished it up" a bit. I use it, no worries about health, stink, build-up or otherwise. It does clean a bit. Here's the goods:

Originally Posted by Shevek
I think I got it, but might be confused too. I think people say things within a context and know what they meant, but the people listening can be in the position to not realize what that context was and misunderstand where the comment fit in the big picture. So let me try to summarize, and Varney, jump in if I get it wrong.

First Concept: If you have never used the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax before, you want to start fresh and clean. So use Magic Erasure with water (per the directions) or alcohol (for even better results (?). This will work well, but if it's the first cleaning you've done in a while and you have lots of chalk bluing and the old wax/sealer, it's still going to take some time and elbow grease. Besides better cleaning, I think one reason to use alcohol, is that it evaporates quickly so it's less likely to raise the grain of the wood. Speaking of which, one key thing here is to use an ever so slight amount of alcohol (or water), in order to raise as little wood grain as possible - just enough to activate the Magic Erasure. This is why it could AND SHOULD be a slow process. After you're done, if you did raise the grain, you'll probably want to use a very fine grit sand paper to smooth things out again. This would be like a burnishing too almost. But you will remove some wood. So this entire "first concept" is hopefully a one time thing or VERY rare thing in the life of your shaft.

Second Concept: Apply the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax as has been discussed (wax and cloth). If this is the first application after the initial cleaning, maybe do two applications. If I understood Varney correctly, NOW that this has been done, future applications of Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax will act as a cleaner and remove chalk while in the process of applying new coats - no more Magic Erasure.

Third Concept: Varney said to use Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax fairly regularly (once a week for everyday players?). So over time you build up a lot of wax, which is good, because it probably gets better and better in terms of keeping the shaft smooth in your stroking hand and clean. But the downside is that it might get too hard and end up having the feel of a cue butt with a clear coat finish on it. This is where the 0000 steel wool comes in. Apply it as Varney said to go back to a smooth buttery, rather than a smooth grippy.

Which by the way, I've always wondered why clear coat can be so smooth and yet so grippy at the same time - anybody? All I know is that I prefer "wrapless" cues.

Varney, you really need to jump in now to verify that I understood all this correctly. I was just trying to help the communication process by giving the entire big picture. Whether I described the picture correctly or not is another thing.

Don (posted by Varney)
You've pretty much nailed it Don. They only thing I may add is that if your shafts are in fairly decent shape....you can skip Don's "first concept". The Magic eraser is only needed if your shaft is in horrible shape & you want it cleaned like new. The wax alone will do a pretty fair job of removing the blue chalk patina...only leaving it in the deepest of pores...and I don't mind that lightly used look on my shaft. I doubt I'd ever use the Magic eraser on my personal shafts. Instead of cleaning...just rub the wax on the shaft & look how blue your wax rag turns...thats clean enough for me...and I didn't have to raise any grain & LIGHTLY sand it back down.
Trueblu8 has it too....the more you use it the better. It'll keep building up a layer of protection and sealing the pores. One thing I stess is make sure you buff it VERY well after waxing. I don't even allow the wax to dry. I rub the wax in until I feel it heating up well....then grab a clean cloth and buff like crazy. Some players love this ultra slick finish....some may feel its sticky or tacky...kind of like the shaft has been cleared like the butt. I myself as a last and very final step take a piece of the 0000 steel wool and just VERY LIGHTLY rub the shaft 1 or 2 passes. This removes a bit of the shine and leaves a slicker feeling satin finish. I apply the wax every single time before or after I play. Every time I put my cue together my brain says "wow...this shaft feels good". If I let someone hit a ball or two....they have a 100 questions as to how and get theirs like that...they usually just hand over their shaft & $20.
Lastly...thank you for the kind words Gregg.
 
I couldn't disagree more. I thoroughly disliked the results from using Bowling alley way. It's been explained in another thread that bowling alley wax does not make things slick... it makes them sticky, so people don't fall down. That's how my test shafts came out.. sticky. Cue Wax is much better and easier to use but I stil recommend using no products to make the shaft slicker. They'll be plenty slick if cleaned well, very lightly sanded and then burnished with leather.
 
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JimS said:
I couldn't disagree more. I thoroughly disliked the results from using Bowling alley way. It's been explained in another thread that bowling alley wax does not make things slick... it makes them sticky, so people don't fall down. That's how my test shafts came out.. sticky. Cue Wax is much better and easier to use but I stil recommend using no products to make the shaft slicker. They'll be plenty slick if cleaned well, very lightly sanded and then burnished with leather.
I just went to Ace and they looked up the Butchers Wax for me. I was told they would have it for me by thursday. Looked like they had a 100 can in there warehouse. I like how they are willing to help there customers. I don't think the Menards would do this for me. By the way I am using a product called Sailcoat right now and it will be hard to beat. I am always looking something new. I love this forum.
 
Ken_4fun said:
I put it on a paper towel and apply to shaft for about 2 minutes. I then set it aside for a about 2 minutes, then take a soft terry cloth and polish for about 2 minutes.

Does not come off. I dont understand why you would want it removed, but I assume rubbing alchol might cut it.

Ken
If you have access to a lathe or I have even used a drill with the proper insert for the shaft and used the wax you are talking about. It gets the shaft smoother than anything I have ever seen.
 
JimS said:
I couldn't disagree more. I thoroughly disliked the results from using Bowling alley way. It's been explained in another thread that bowling alley wax does not make things slick... it makes them sticky, so people don't fall down. That's how my test shafts came out.. sticky. Cue Wax is much better and easier to use but I stil recommend using no products to make the shaft slicker. They'll be plenty slick if cleaned well, very lightly sanded and then burnished with leather.


If it feels sticky then you need to continue to "polish". My shafts have never been smoother, slicker, and cleaner.

Ken
 
I've been using Butcher's wax for years on all types of shafts and have never had any problems with it. Applied and buffed correctly, it doesn't "gum up" over time as other shaft waxes have done for me.

And not to knock the source that most people are quoting as to the recommendation of this product, but the reason I gave it a try is that somewhere on the internet years ago, someone said that some oldschool cuemaker named Gus used this stuff back in the day. I figured if it was good enough for him, I'd give it a try.

A can will last you FOREVER, so pick one up and you're set for life!
 
$TAKE HOR$E said:
If you have access to a lathe or I have even used a drill with the proper insert for the shaft and used the wax you are talking about. It gets the shaft smoother than anything I have ever seen.

I am a klutz but I have a drill. What kind of insert would I get to be able to spin the shaft??
 
I bought it from the person here on AZB , and it was the best investment i ever did.

if you can finish up one box in one lifetime, your either a big time cuedealer or a freak :)

its works AMAZING. I only light polish my shafts and burnish it all the time, but it can't beat the wax.
 
dmgwalsh said:
I am a klutz but I have a drill. What kind of insert would I get to be able to spin the shaft??


Hey...

You can get a threaded pin to match your cue threads or the easy way, imo, is to use a crutch tip. I like the one in the right column, 5th down #UW203500. http://www.unitedwheelchairs.com/Crutch_cane_accessories.html?gclid=CNH0-MeVxpgCFR0Sagodkiza2A
They should be available at most any drug store. Get one that fits a 7/8" crutch tip and is fairly long... like the one shown. Others are shorter... not so good.

You drill a 1/4" hole in the bottom of the crutch tip, as close to center as possible but it doesn't have to be exact, I eye-balled mine. Then put a 1/4" bolt about 1 1/2" long through the hole with a 3/4" flat washer on the inside and the outside, then a nut, maybe double nut, on the outside. That's all there is to it. Put the bolt in the jaws of the drill and spin away! I use a bunjee cord to tie my drill to a 1x6 about 3 or 4 ft long.

The crutch tip holds the shaft just fine and you can steady the other end just laying the shaft on a folded towel or simply hold it with one hand, which I usually do. It doesn't have to be perfectly straight/level/plumb as it will adjust itself in the rubber crutch tip. I've been using one for several years now on every cue I've had, SW's, Sailors, Predators..everything and it works great for doing tips, cleaning/polishing shafts.


I use a clamp like this to adjust the speed of the drill. http://www.tylertool.com/amtool5112cl.html

There are small and cheaper ones available.. this is just one I found as an example of a clamp that will hold the tool trigger and allow easy adjustment to a higher speed.
 
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I just picked up a box of the Magic Erasers, 91% Isporyl Alcohol and a can of the Butcher's Wax.

Once I clean and wax the shaft I will post my unbiased opinion!!

I'm looking forward to trying it out.....:thumbup:

Russ.....
 
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