C.J. Wiley VS Keith McCready - What's The Line?

Spimp13

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First post in this thread...we are 280+ posts in (I haven't read 90% of the posts), so has anything been setup or is this thread pretty much pointless and just back and forth drivel?
 
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one stroke

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The first game we played was "the 6/7,and the Last 4".....she beat me, then we adjusted and I managed to get even......she's a great player, at times she plays better than me.

I believe Vivian, and I played a match on ESPN for more than anyone in history (on ESPN).

Click here to see some highlights from that match....

I was told by Gary Morgenstern (the producer) over 2.8 Million people viewed this world-wide.... 600 international hours of exposure overall (app).

This match was for a total of $100,000....we haven't seen that duplicated in a while. ;)
ROALMFAO ,, maybe after it was rerun 200 times

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Spimp13

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Pointless back & forth drivel. Keith has stated that the "internet" can stake him if they want to see him play.

Ain't happening. Nobody cares.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5009737&postcount=189

ONB

Thanks...I don't mind touching up on my reading skillz, but sometimes I like to skip over repeated posts, especially if it doesn't look like the action is happening. If it does I'll bet up to $500 depending on the line and game will determine who I bet on...I am not holding my breath for it to happen though.
 

TATE

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I agree with much that you wrote but must take exception to the middle paragraph. First of all, Keith was 11 years younger at that US Open. 46 years old is not old & dead in the game of pool. I would also ask you this; Do you think his constant consumption of alcohol during his matches helped him get that far or do you think it may have led to his demise in the end?

If you want to think about things you need to think about both sides of it.

ONB

All the more reason to be amazed!

I just know that 99.99% of all pool players including pros have not finished 3rd or better in the US Open - ever! (give or take a few hundredths). Especially at 47 and being out of the game a long time for a lot of hard years. This isn't luck. It's enormous personal talent and a mind for competition. It's also due to his ability to intimidate his opponents.

Keith was a personal mess after surviving a very hard life. Most of us would not know what it was like to grow up like that. Let's give credit for the amazing pool player he was. He pretty much crapped on everybody at 9 ball and gave them weight to boot.
 
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All the more reason to be amazed!

I just know that 99.99% of all pool players including pros have not finished 3rd or better in the US Open - ever! (give or take a few hundredths). Especially at 47 and being out of the game a long time for a lot of hard years. This isn't luck. It's enormous personal talent and a mind for competition. It's also due to his ability to intimidate his opponents.

Keith was a personal mess after surviving a very hard life. Most of us would not know what it was like to grow up like that. Let's give credit for the amazing pool player he was. He pretty much crapped on everybody at 9 ball and gave them weight to boot.

I'm not amazed at all. I've known many players who had to rely on drugs and booze to play well. Jimmy Reid comes to mind.

These same players will never get up and play on the natch because they can't.

I'm not here to give credit nor deny it, I don't care what his life was like any more than he cares what mine was like.

ONB
 

Wedge

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To be Honest

All the more reason to be amazed!

I just know that 99.99% of all pool players including pros have not finished 3rd or better in the US Open - ever! (give or take a few hundredths). Especially at 47 and being out of the game a long time for a lot of hard years. This isn't luck. It's enormous personal talent and a mind for competition. It's also due to his ability to intimidate his opponents.

Keith was a personal mess after surviving a very hard life. Most of us would not know what it was like to grow up like that. Let's give credit for the amazing pool player he was. He pretty much crapped on everybody at 9 ball and gave them weight to boot.

I started playing pool in 1969 at the age of 15. By the age of 17 I could run 50 balls in straight pool. By the age of 21 I spent a lot of time gambling, mostly in bars. From my personal experience most of us played either shit faced on booze and/or were doing cocaine or crank or black beauties.Most of the US Pro Players were doing the same thing.

Luckily I quit playing pool and drugs when I was 27 and went back to school and ended up in the Aerospace Industry as a Manager and retired when I was 59...~ 18 months ago. I started playing pool again in 2007 at the age of 53 and I never drink when I am playing.

I can fully appreciate what Keith and a host of others must of went through living day to day on the road and I salute him for staying sober and turning his life around with Jennie Ann.

Sorry, just had to get that off of my chest

Wedge
 
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CJ Wiley

ESPN WORLD OPEN CHAMPION
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Pool players are mild cases compared to biking

Alcoholism and drug addition are diseases, no different {according to the AMA} than cancer, or diabetes. My hat's off to all athletes that have had their battle with "performance enhancing drugs," including steroids and HGH - and lived a healthy, happy, productive life.

Lance Armstrong was a strong example of how an incredible career can be ruined in a matter of days. Pool players are mild cases compared to biking, football, baseball, etc - even snooker players have had their share of addictive personalities.

Anyone that read his book knows even Andre Agassi did "meth" during tennis matches.....who would ever have guessed?
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I started playing pool in 1969 at the age of 15. By the age of 17 I could run 50 balls in straight pool. By the age of 21 I spent a lot of time gambling, mostly in bars. From my personal experience most of us played either shit faced on booze and/or were doing cocaine or crank or black beauties.Most of the US Pro Players were doing the same thing.

Luckily I quit playing pool and drugs when I was 27 and went back to school and ended up in the Aerospace Industry as a Manager and retired when I was 59...~ 18 months ago. I started playing pool again in 2007 at the age of 53 and I never drink when I am playing.

I can fully appreciate what Keith and a host of others must of went through living day to day on the road and I salute him for staying sober and turning his life around with Jennie Lee.

Sorry, just had to get that off of my chest

Wedge
 

One Pocket John

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I started playing pool in 1969 at the age of 15. By the age of 17 I could run 50 balls in straight pool. By the age of 21 I spent a lot of time gambling, mostly in bars. From my personal experience most of us played either shit faced on booze and/or were doing cocaine or crank or black beauties.Most of the US Pro Players were doing the same thing.

Luckily I quit playing pool and drugs when I was 27 and went back to school and ended up in the Aerospace Industry as a Manager and retired when I was 59...~ 18 months ago. I started playing pool again in 2007 at the age of 53 and I never drink when I am playing.

I can fully appreciate what Keith and a host of others must of went through living day to day on the road and I salute him for staying sober and turning his life around with Jennie Ann.

Sorry, just had to get that off of my chest

Wedge

Been playing since '63 at 15. I know what you are saying.

John
 
Lance Armstrong was a strong example of how an incredible career can be ruined in a matter of days.

Yeah, he had an incredible career built with drug use that he hid. In order to hide it he attempted to and did indeed destroy people's lives and careers to further his own "greatness".

His incredible career turned out to be a sham yet you rue it's passing.

ONB
 

one stroke

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Alcoholism and drug addition are diseases, no different {according to the AMA} than cancer, or diabetes. My hat's off to all athletes that have had their battle with "performance enhancing drugs," including steroids and HGH - and lived a healthy, happy, productive life.

Lance Armstrong was a strong example of how an incredible career can be ruined in a matter of days. Pool players are mild cases compared to biking, football, baseball, etc - even snooker players have had their share of addictive personalities.

Anyone that read his book knows even Andre Agassi did "meth" during tennis matches.....who would ever have guessed?
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The number of Addicts and Alcoholics I'm relativly sure is much higher in pool ,,

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Allen Brown

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I started playing pool in 1969 at the age of 15. By the age of 17 I could run 50 balls in straight pool. By the age of 21 I spent a lot of time gambling, mostly in bars. From my personal experience most of us played either shit faced on booze and/or were doing cocaine or crank or black beauties.Most of the US Pro Players were doing the same thing.

Luckily I quit playing pool and drugs when I was 27 and went back to school and ended up in the Aerospace Industry as a Manager and retired when I was 59...~ 18 months ago. I started playing pool again in 2007 at the age of 53 and I never drink when I am playing.

I can fully appreciate what Keith and a host of others must of went through living day to day on the road and I salute him for staying sober and turning his life around with Jennie Ann.

Sorry, just had to get that off of my chest

Wedge

Wedge, thanks for keeping it real.
 

CJ Wiley

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pool players aren't the highest (yes, pun intended)

Actually pool players aren't the highest.*

* In 2007 the Substance Abuse and Mental Health
Administration Study looked at current drug use among 21 major occupational groups from 2002 through 2004. The study found that an annual average of approximately 9.4 million current illicit drug users and 10.1 million heavy alcohol users were employed full-time during that period.

The occupational groups with the highest prevalence of current drug use among full-time workers were:
Food preparation and serving (17.4 percent)
Construction (15.1 percent)
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media (12.4 percent)
Sales (9.6 percent)
Installation, maintenance, and repair (9.5 percent)

The study found the highest rates of current heavy alcohol use among construction, mining, excavation and drilling workers (17.8 percent), and installation, maintenance, and repair workers (14.7 percent).

The number of Addicts and Alcoholics I'm relativly sure is much higher in pool ,,

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Allen Brown

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Actually pool players aren't the highest.*

* In 2007 the Substance Abuse and Mental Health
Administration Study looked at current drug use among 21 major occupational groups from 2002 through 2004. The study found that an annual average of approximately 9.4 million current illicit drug users and 10.1 million heavy alcohol users were employed full-time during that period.

The occupational groups with the highest prevalence of current drug use among full-time workers were:
Food preparation and serving (17.4 percent)
Construction (15.1 percent)
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media (12.4 percent)
Sales (9.6 percent)
Installation, maintenance, and repair (9.5 percent)

The study found the highest rates of current heavy alcohol use among construction, mining, excavation and drilling workers (17.8 percent), and installation, maintenance, and repair workers (14.7 percent).

Pool wouldve made the list if it was a real occupation like the rest of those on the list.
 

one stroke

AzB Silver Member
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Actually pool players aren't the highest.*

* In 2007 the Substance Abuse and Mental Health
Administration Study looked at current drug use among 21 major occupational groups from 2002 through 2004. The study found that an annual average of approximately 9.4 million current illicit drug users and 10.1 million heavy alcohol users were employed full-time during that period.

The occupational groups with the highest prevalence of current drug use among full-time workers were:
Food preparation and serving (17.4 percent)
Construction (15.1 percent)
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media (12.4 percent)
Sales (9.6 percent)
Installation, maintenance, and repair (9.5 percent)

The study found the highest rates of current heavy alcohol use among construction, mining, excavation and drilling workers (17.8 percent), and installation, maintenance, and repair workers (14.7 percent).

Nice try ,, you were talking about sports not all occupations ,
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alstl

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Actually pool players aren't the highest.*

* In 2007 the Substance Abuse and Mental Health
Administration Study looked at current drug use among 21 major occupational groups from 2002 through 2004. The study found that an annual average of approximately 9.4 million current illicit drug users and 10.1 million heavy alcohol users were employed full-time during that period.

The occupational groups with the highest prevalence of current drug use among full-time workers were:
Food preparation and serving (17.4 percent)
Construction (15.1 percent)
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media (12.4 percent)
Sales (9.6 percent)
Installation, maintenance, and repair (9.5 percent)

The study found the highest rates of current heavy alcohol use among construction, mining, excavation and drilling workers (17.8 percent), and installation, maintenance, and repair workers (14.7 percent).

I wonder what the rate is for politicians.
 

lost

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For what it's worth polls have shown that among college sports Lacrosse has the highest drug use BY FAR and is tied with Hockey I believe for alcohol abuse....or was it Rugby
Pool of course would not be measured because it isn't a college sport by any realistic measure...a handful of college "club" teams is really all it is.

BTW are pool players the least educated group of "pros" or would that be rodeo cowboys?
Obviously pool has a alcohol problem....look where 95% is played.
 

one stroke

AzB Silver Member
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For what it's worth polls have shown that among college sports Lacrosse has the highest drug use BY FAR and is tied with Hockey I believe for alcohol abuse....or was it Rugby
Pool of course would not be measured because it isn't a college sport by any realistic measure...a handful of college "club" teams is really all it is.

BTW are pool players the least educated group of "pros" or would that be rodeo cowboys?
Obviously pool has a alcohol problem....look where 95% is played.

I've played them all there is no doubt in my mind playing under the influence is far higher
In pool
 
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