Can you spot where the "round points" end and the "Sharpee'd points" begin?

[rigmaster]

Thanks fast and loose I'm glad this will be over I'm on his ignore list and he's on my list not to ever buy or sell to or from list ! Good work Ron

 

[Poolplaya9]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Anybody could have sharpied those points, how in the hell wold Evan know who did it? I've dealt with Evan personally and he is a class act.

Now you people are going to go after one of the great cues made in this country? You need to give yourself some red rep for that.

When I said that Evan should verify who put the fake points on the cue, and when, I was talking about him authenticating whether or not he did it (I'm sure he didn't), and if he did, when--because that is all that really matters here. Reading my posts with just a bit of common sense would have told you that. It was extremely clear in several posts what I was getting at, and why.

 

[breakshot]

That's the only reason for ANY points.

FYI -on engineering and physics of a pool cue.

if a cue maker knifes-in or does full splice points, with a heavy wood like cocobola or ebony then there is a much more gradual progression of weight in the cue as you go farther back in the cue, which is adventageous when you are bringing the cue through the ball. because the cue acts like one mass, instead of several jointed masses, each trying to catch the other.

 

[breakshot]

NOT TRUE AT ALL. SPLICED POINTS, AND THE WOODS USED CERTAINLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HIT. AND FULLSPLICE AND SHORT SPLICE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT FEELS.

A MAPLE ON MAPLE CUE, WILL HIT AND BALANCE DIFFERENT THAN A MAPLE NOSED EBONY POINTED CUE, AND A EBONY NOSED MAPLE POINTED CUE FEELS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO CUES.

ALSO DEPTH OF THE SPLICES, WIDTHS OF THE SPLICES, AND ANGLE OF THE POCKET CUTS WILL CHANGE THE SPLINE, AND STRENGTH OF A CUE, WHICH INDIRECTLY CHANGES THE HIT/FEEL OF A CUE.

Thank-you for understanding-A true voice of reason...

 

[iowa_player]

Thanks fast and loose I'm glad this will be over I'm on his ignore list and he's on my list not to ever buy or sell to or from list ! Good work Ron

The ignore feature didnt work .
I have to say I think this is funny I have said more than once I dont care to or wish to ever sell another cue on here . Yet some trouble making members think it is some kind of threat that they will never buy a cue from me .

I dont sell cues for a living I buy sell and trade cues as a hobbie not a job.

Ringmaster and HangemHigh aka Sam E. you are not here to help in any way you are only making things worse . You and others come on here to poke me with a stick then wait for my reaction . Well great work you are a great asset to the forum .

Thanks to Markus and all the other members that truly tried to help .
For me it was not about the money or the cue . It was about standing up for my self when I feel I am right . i will take the hit on this if I am wrong I have done that before no big deal . But I wont be pushed around by a bunch of trouble making members with there gang up on any one we dont like mentality .

This is my last post in this thread bash away if you wish !!!

Larry

 

[breakshot]

different woods have varied traits, characteristics,

for example: birds eye maple has the largest amount of end grain

 

[hangemhigh]

You made things worse for you, not me or anyone else. Once you were on tilt cursing everybody and telling Az to got to hell, you opened yourself up for everything you got. Handled in a civil manner, your would have never given anyone the opportunity to make as much fun of you as they did. It is good now, even though you could not muster it on your own, that you will take care of the buyer.

 

[jasonlaus]

FYI -on engineering and physics of a pool cue.

if a cue maker knifes-in or does full splice points, with a heavy wood like cocobola or ebony then there is a much more gradual progression of weight in the cue as you go farther back in the cue, which is adventageous when you are bringing the cue through the ball. because the cue acts like one mass, instead of several jointed masses, each trying to catch the other.

Then why would they use other woods??? -for LOOKS only. THIS IS MY POINT!!! What cues do you build Mr. engineer?

 

[iowa_player]

Ok This Is My Last Post .. Again

I Just Spoke With Larry, And He Has Agreed To Allow Me To Get The Cue In Hand And Examine It. Ship The Cue To Me, I Will Inspect It, And We'll Go From There.

I Truly Feel That Larry Didn't Do Anything Dishonest Here. I Can Also Understand Why He Took Offense To My Initial Post, I Would Have Taken Offense As Well From His End. I Wasn't Telling Anyone What To Do, Just Giving An Option To Make This Go Away.

Let's Move Forward, And Get This Resolved.

P.s. If The Points Don't Have Issues, I'll Be Sending The Cue Back To You.

Thanks Markus

Ps. Sam E. keeping poking your little stick and making your snide comments but the fact is I agreed to this deal with Markus and did NOT have to . So I think I did as you say MUSTER it me self . Im done responding to your childish jabs . Like I said before you will not have any effect on me try as you may .

 

[hangemhigh]

LOL I'll be waining for the next last post again.

 

[Suaro]

Is Iowa Player related to Eddie Wheat ?

He's missed the point (<-no pun intended) serveral times here.

He should investigate the cue on his own dime and time. and give the buyers money back (in full). Doesn't matter who says its an R2 (authentic or not). Buyer not happy....

 

[cuetrip]

Is Iowa Player related to Eddie Wheat ?

He's missed the point (<-no pun intended) serveral times here.

He should investigate the cue on his own dime and time. and give the buyers money back (in full). Doesn't matter who says its an R2 (authentic or not). Buyer not happy....

You really ought to read the whole thread. He's agreed to send the cue to an uninterested third party and will do whatever is right based on the findings. That was a silly comment, totally unnecessary, and only makes you look like the dumb one, not Larry or anyone else.

 

[Poolplaya9]

You say the point are altered Evan says that it is natural for the tips of points to fade and be touched up in the refinish he said this to me on the phone .

Evan is talking about full splice cues, not CNC pointed cues. I highly doubt that he is ok with CNC pointed cues that have been faked to look like full splice sharp points. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that he is talking about something different than what you are? Call him back and ask him about it directly if you don't believe me, but you are going to have to be more specific with him to avoid confusing yourself even more.

Specifically ask him exactly this: Whether or not he builds any Schon cues with CNC points and then takes a marker to the CNC points to paint on fake sharp points to make it look like a full splice cue. Also ask him if he even finds it to be an acceptable practice if someone else does that to one of his cues or even another cuemaker's cues.

I have many that have said that is commonly done . Do I need to go through and point out the posts that say that ?

You have some that say that it is common on full splice cues. You have none, not one single one, that say that it is acceptable on CNC pointed cues to fake them with a marker to make them look like sharp full splice cues. Again, why is this such a difficult concept?

I got a pm this morning from a very well known cue maker saying it is indeed an R2.

PM him back and ask him if the R2 cues ever originally came from the factory with CNC points that were faked with a marker to look like sharp full splice points. If the answer is no, then you sold a misrepresented cue (and owe a full refund and ALL shipping) that somebody has modified and drew on with a damn marker! What's next, are you going to start offering crayola crayon cues too?!

I do not wish to ever sell another cue here...

You will finally be doing a good service if you stand by this statement.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I'LL HAVE THE CUE IN A FEW DAYS, IT WILL GET RESOLVED. NO REASON TO CONTINUE TO SAY ALL THE SAME CRAP.

THIS ISN'T DIRECTED AT ONE PARTY, IT'S DIRECTED AT EVERYBODY.

CHILL OUT FOR A FEW DAYS, I'LL POST WHEN THE CUE GETS HERE, AND I GET TO LOOK AT IT.

IF I WAS IN LARRYS SHOES, I WOULDN'T DO A REFUND WITHOUT THE CUE IN HAND, OR WITH SOMEONE I KNOW/TRUST.

BOGEY SHOULD ALSO BE HERE, WHEN THE CUE GETS HERE, SO I'LL HAVE ANOTHER SET OF TRAINED EYES TO LOOK AT THE CUE.

 

[jasonlaus]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I'LL HAVE THE CUE IN A FEW DAYS, IT WILL GET RESOLVED. NO REASON TO CONTINUE TO SAY ALL THE SAME CRAP.

THIS ISN'T DIRECTED AT ONE PARTY, IT'S DIRECTED AT EVERYBODY.

CHILL OUT FOR A FEW DAYS, I'LL POST WHEN THE CUE GETS HERE, AND I GET TO LOOK AT IT.

IF I WAS IN LARRYS SHOES, I WOULDN'T DO A REFUND WITHOUT THE CUE IN HAND, OR WITH SOMEONE I KNOW/TRUST.

BOGEY SHOULD ALSO BE HERE, WHEN THE CUE GETS HERE, SO I'LL HAVE ANOTHER SET OF TRAINED EYES TO LOOK AT THE CUE.

What we can't have anymore fun?:grin:

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

What we can't have anymore fun?:grin:

NO MORE FUN FOR YOU. IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE CUE HIT CHARACHTERISTICS WITH THE OTHER GUY, START A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS LONG ENOUGH.

MARCUS<----- THE FUN NAZI

P.S. I'M JUST TIRED OF THE SAME POSTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITHOUT ANY NEW INFORMATION. WITHOUT NEW INFORMATION, THE NEW POSTS ARE BASICLY USELESS.

 

[alstl]

When I said that Evan should verify who put the fake points on the cue, and when, I was talking about him authenticating whether or not he did it (I'm sure he didn't), and if he did, when--because that is all that really matters here. Reading my posts with just a bit of common sense would have told you that. It was extremely clear in several posts what I was getting at, and why.

I personally think Evan back pedaled when he realized this isn't even the cue that he refinished, or at least not the one he was thinking of. In any case, he needs to answer the question of who created the "fake" points, and when.

I just saw that, and I wondered how Evan would know who created the fake points and when they did it since I guarantee you Evan had nothing to do with it.

I hate to see this guy dragged into all the recent garbage on this website. I sent a Schon shaft off to him a couple years ago to have some work done and Evan said he would send it back COD. When I received it back it was just regular mail so I e-mailed him and told him he forgot to charge me for the work. He told me to consider it a gift. I e-mailed again and told him to give me a price, I didn't want to freeload but he again insisted that it was on the house, and Evan doesn't know me from the man in the moon. Does that sound like a guy who would be involved in any way with something like this?

There aren't a lot of people I would vouch for but I will vouch for this guy.

 

[p1noy]

I Just Spoke With Larry, And He Has Agreed To Allow Me To Get The Cue In Hand And Examine It. Ship The Cue To Me, I Will Inspect It, And We'll Go From There.

I Truly Feel That Larry Didn't Do Anything Dishonest Here. I Can Also Understand Why He Took Offense To My Initial Post, I Would Have Taken Offense As Well From His End. I Wasn't Telling Anyone What To Do, Just Giving An Option To Make This Go Away.

Let's Move Forward, And Get This Resolved.

P.s. If The Points Don't Have Issues, I'll Be Sending The Cue Back To You.

Thanks Markus, I will ship out the cue to arrive within 3-5 business days I'll PM the tracking number.

Larry, thanks for agreeing to this option.

 

[p1noy]

What we can't have anymore fun?:grin:

Dude, if you consider this fun I can't imagine how you are when you're lonely..

 

[juegabillar]

The shaft shown with this cue cannot be an original. The shaft should have the Schon name on the collar, beneath the ring, not on the shaft itself as shown.