CJ Wiley Runs 29 balls in 1P using TOI

? Do we know each other - Yes!

Well, I might have been in there once or twice, CJ's Billiard Palace was my home away from home for the better part of 10 years. If I wasn't working, I was probably there. I was there for the Grand Opening when it was still called "Champs". I talked to you one time about your Space Painting you did that used to hang over the bar & I showed you my Art Portfolio. You even asked me one time about doing a Mural on one the walls when you were considering remodeling.

If you will go to your UTube video of the 29 Balls and look at the comments, you will find one that I posted there, & from there if you click on my avatar it will take you to my page and my videos, I think you will recognize me. Look for the SL Studios avatar. Oh, and don't laugh, my pool videos aren't nearly as good as yours!

Mary does some very nice Artwork, I'll check out her website.

By the way how's your Mom doing? is she still with us? or has she passed?
 
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Yes, this is the one of the main differences between an amateur and a professional. Play the touch of inside teaches those that weren't "child prodigies" how to play the same style. Using this method it forces you to do a lot of the correct things in terms of speed, position, and angle creation.

Road players would drag themselves across miles of broken glass to play someone that liked to "slow roll" balls and use different speeds and spins on each shot. Can you imagine how many more calculations you have to make to play that way as opposed to playing consistent speeds, angles, and hitting the cue ball on the same side?

It's obvious when someone sees it from our perspective, you can get away with any style for an hour or two, but not over time.


Here's the definition of consistency, it applies directly to what I'm saying: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consistency


consistency [kənˈsɪstənsɪ], consistence
n pl -encies, -ences
1. agreement or accordance with facts, form, or characteristics previously shown or stated
2. agreement or harmony between parts of something complex; compatibility
3. (Physics / General Physics) degree of viscosity or firmness

Excellent point, CJ! I never thought about it that way.

One of our local phenoms, who has now accumulated some years, used to play probably 95% of his shots at about the same speed with minimum spin. Absolute simplicity.

He was almost unbeatable for 35 years. Now he's in his 70's but still can catch a gear and beat the best. He's still a pleasure to watch. :cool:

BTW, I enjoy your posts. Keep 'me coming! :thumbup2:
 
I've just started working through the TOI dvd--I am a slow learner.

I think its great, mainly the excellent way that CJ presents the material. He is a fabulous instructor, and I can't wait until I get through the whole dvd.

Thank-you CJ, not just for the TOI but, for all the blogs, the information--everything!!!

Ken Peters
 
How the hell do you run 29 balls in one pocket on a triple shimmed table and folks nit pick you on the details? Geez!

I, for one, am impressed! :thumbup:
 
How the hell do you run 29 balls in one pocket on a triple shimmed table and folks nit pick you on the details? Geez!

I, for one, am impressed! :thumbup:

Try to share with the pool world via AZ the nits appear as if by magic.
 
How the hell do you run 29 balls in one pocket on a triple shimmed table and folks nit pick you on the details? Geez!

I, for one, am impressed! :thumbup:

I am also impressed...

but that's not a triple shimmed table. If it were tight in any way, shape or form, this ball would not go in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feEqWnGOwIg&t=0m31s The ball hits the rail more than a diamond away and still goes in...

Like I said, it's impressive but people keep throwing out words like "triple shimmed", to make it even more impressive... but it's just not a tight table.
 
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There were a few of us that played "the best" on a given day. I would play 100% within 3 weeks if there was a good reason.

I guess $40K at Derby City isnt a good enough reason. :confused:

I have never seen you play there, or anywhere else in person.

I wish you the best of rolls my friend.

Ken
 
I guess $40K at Derby City isnt a good enough reason. :confused:

I have never seen you play there, or anywhere else in person.

I wish you the best of rolls my friend.

Ken

I imagine life in Texas with his artist girlfriend isnt too bad . Derby is a huge grind, the best player doesnt have to win anything and only a few come out ahead. The money just isnt there.
 
Money isn´t the only thing that gives you what you want. I think that what takes CJ to the "table" again will have to be more than that.

In whatever you do I think the payback you want will be slightly different when the years, growing etc will occur. I don´t think the "destroying the opponent" feel that many of the young players have last for so long for most and by then you need to find something else to achieve. The own will is the strongest we have to do things. Imagine a child that learns to walk, they just do it because they want´s it.
CJ - do find some challenges, run more racks than ever done before, set some new records in straight pool, one pocket etc. Beat the game, not another opponent. In other words - be a even better CJ at the table:smile:.
You do great in trying to explain how you like the game to be played.
, find the "zone" and press the record button:wink:.

I would think that it´s something that many players look for, a new challenge. Bring Corey if a opponent is needed, he needs some fresh air to put the energy into pool again I think.

It´s like looking at old Seve Ballesteros performance in golf, he couldn´t shoot straight but put him infront of trees in a sandbunker etc he would come up with something :smile: .

Some thoughts...

Chrippa
 
I imagine life in Texas with his artist girlfriend isnt too bad . Derby is a huge grind, the best player doesnt have to win anything and only a few come out ahead. The money just isnt there.

LOL.

Ok

The best player DOES usually win. IMO, Efren is the best I have ever seen and he has dominated the DCC when he was actually there.

CJ said he could be in top form in 3 weeks, if motivated. Assuming you did this just prior to DCC and then played a week at DCC you would invest a month.

He would making a rate of $480,000 annually. The money is there if you win, if you dont, much less.

Secondly, if you were at top form and wanted action, SVB, is always an option. He is backed and I have not heard that he wouldnt play anyone.....


Just saying,

Ken
 
I'm working towards getting Pool BACK ON TV.

LOL.

Ok

The best player DOES usually win. IMO, Efren is the best I have ever seen and he has dominated the DCC when he was actually there.

CJ said he could be in top form in 3 weeks, if motivated. Assuming you did this just prior to DCC and then played a week at DCC you would invest a month.

He would making a rate of $480,000 annually. The money is there if you win, if you dont, much less.

Secondly, if you were at top form and wanted action, SVB, is always an option. He is backed and I have not heard that he wouldnt play anyone.....


Just saying,

Ken

I've only been to the DDC tournament one time. The only one there that would play at the time was Shane. We played 9 Ball for $500 a game, he got 8 games winner, I hit a gear to get even, and he quit. Those are the facts, and Shannon Dalton, Roger Griffis (I think) and many others were there and can testify it happened exactly like that.

There's no money in those tournaments, you win 8-10k if you win and it's brutal to do. The expenses are over 2k, so that means only 5% of the players actually make a profit if they stay the whole time. Is that a good deal? Not by a long shot.

I'm working towards getting Pool BACK ON TV. I've been involved in over 70 ESPN shows and produced 9 (in three tournaments) on my own. I am getting ready to show one of my tournaments where I played Earl Stickland in the semi's and again in the finals. I want everyone to see the production quality and personalities involved like Jimmy "Pretty Boy Floyd" Mataya, Earl Strickland and myself on Prime Sports (later was FOX SPORTS) in Dallas Texas.

'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
 
It's almost to the point that the players will finally choose not to work for free

Money isn´t the only thing that gives you what you want. I think that what takes CJ to the "table" again will have to be more than that.

In whatever you do I think the payback you want will be slightly different when the years, growing etc will occur. I don´t think the "destroying the opponent" feel that many of the young players have last for so long for most and by then you need to find something else to achieve. The own will is the strongest we have to do things. Imagine a child that learns to walk, they just do it because they want´s it.
CJ - do find some challenges, run more racks than ever done before, set some new records in straight pool, one pocket etc. Beat the game, not another opponent. In other words - be a even better CJ at the table:smile:.
You do great in trying to explain how you like the game to be played.
, find the "zone" and press the record button:wink:.

I would think that it´s something that many players look for, a new challenge. Bring Corey if a opponent is needed, he needs some fresh air to put the energy into pool again I think.

It´s like looking at old Seve Ballesteros performance in golf, he couldn´t shoot straight but put him infront of trees in a sandbunker etc he would come up with something :smile: .

Some thoughts...

Chrippa


Yes, it has to be about more than just "short term gain" to play at that level, you can't really "fake it" or it's artificial and won't "hold up".

I think much differently than "normal" and don't believe pros should pay to work or perform their craft.

Before going into this let me be clear - I do realize many will say "it can't be done now', and others will say "it's too late" and pool has went "too far down" etc, etc, etc,.....So I will just agree and say "that's right, just keep doing what you're doing, maybe the results will change if your "try harder". ;)

With that being said (sarcastic humor, I apologize) I'll share my philosophy that I had back when I played professionally and currently - My goal is to do whatever is necessary to get the Game back on TV in a way that appeals to the "masses" and generates popularity through a substantial viewing audience on a Major Network. This will be done for sure, it's just a matter of time, not only will I do it, I predict that others will do it as well......IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Ok, back to the original subject:

I believe if you're a Top Professional you should only play on TV. Right now I see all the pros flock to tournaments that only pay the top 5 enough to make a profit. This is great for everyone BUT the pros because this diminishes their "demand potential". Let's face it, if we can see Shane, Corey, Mike D. for free why on earth would we pay to see them? I won't, and neither will anyone else (right now on PPV, Gate, Tickets,Appearances, Exhibitions, Lesson, etc).

If the only way we could see them was on TV they would be on a much higher "demand level" and be able to "write their own ticket" to play in non televised events. When I stopped playing it was at the top, I was the 'Player of the Year' in 96 and won the ESPN World OPEN, then was in the finals the next two years (finalist 3 years in a row). I refused to play in any tournament but a vary few that were non televised.

My value continued to grow AFTER I had quit for the first year. I started getting huge offers to play again, and "show up money," all expenses paid to tournaments, and sponsorship deals. I still refused to play, but that's not the point, the point is there is no legitimate business in the world that doesn't pay their employees.......except pool players.

Let's look at the "business" of professional pool like I do my restaurant. I invite 64 people to come work for me, but only pay them if they are one of the 10 best employees. How many people could I get under those circumstances? Certainly not 64....and probably closer to 10. One thing is certain, the ones that don't get paid that weekend would NEVER work for me again. They would go somewhere that guaranteed them a fair wage for a reasonable amount of work.

This is not how professional pool tournaments operate, and as a result there are no "true professional pool tournaments" in the business sense
. To be a legitimate business you MUST pay your employees (this is an example, I do understand "contract labor" and "tipped" employee situations) or it's illegal in most states (to not pay employees).

It's almost to the point that the players will finally choose not to work for free anymore and when that happens a "re birth" will occur. It's just like any "seed" it is really painful to become a plant, however, it's constant misery to stay a seed. I want to see the Game blossom, however, if this broken business model isn't changed it will continue to be in this dismal "holding pattern". 'The Game Deserves a Legitimate Chance'
 
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What is the record for making the most balls in one whole?

I heard they do/did this at DCC to see who could do the most. I remember reading that Mika ran over 40. Not sure if that's true, or not, but it's really impressive if it is true.
 
I heard they do/did this at DCC to see who could do the most. I remember reading that Mika ran over 40. Not sure if that's true, or not, but it's really impressive if it is true.

Oh geez I totally forgot about this. I have video of it on the computer. He ran 58, but not really in a row... it was called Jay Helfert's One Pocket challenge. You break and then play the CB in position. Forget how many racks/tries he got to make that number. But it's a beautiful run to watch. Gonna rewatch it now I think.
 
I'm not sure where "the trend" is leading

Oh geez I totally forgot about this. I have video of it on the computer. He ran 58, but not really in a row... it was called Jay Helfert's One Pocket challenge. You break and then play the CB in position. Forget how many racks/tries he got to make that number. But it's a beautiful run to watch. Gonna rewatch it now I think.

That was probably in 5 innings or something like that. We used to shoot at 40 in 5 innings, and I think they shoot at even less than that these days. Efren shoots at more, maybe 45-50 in 5 innings, that's VERY strong to do consistently.

A guy offered to let me shoot at 35 a couple of months ago, he was "down on his luck" and I didn't way to make it any worse. Gambling, for me these days is not fun, many players have it so hard it's difficult to really want to beat them. Then, if you do lose it's months before you can get a game again. I'm not sure where "the trend" is leading, it's just certainly leading AWAY from gambling it appears.
 
I'm not sure where "the trend" is leading, it's just certainly leading AWAY from gambling it appears.

And that's not necessarily bad. I know this has been beat to death, but pool desperately needs an image update.

Pool is a beautiful game that gets a bad rap, some of it deserved. :frown:
 
That was probably in 5 innings or something like that. We used to shoot at 40 in 5 innings, and I think they shoot at even less than that these days. Efren shoots at more, maybe 45-50 in 5 innings, that's VERY strong to do consistently.

A guy offered to let me shoot at 35 a couple of months ago, he was "down on his luck" and I didn't way to make it any worse. Gambling, for me these days is not fun, many players have it so hard it's difficult to really want to beat them. Then, if you do lose it's months before you can get a game again. I'm not sure where "the trend" is leading, it's just certainly leading AWAY from gambling it appears.

Think 5 was the deal yeah, it's hard to tell, it was very informal. Maybe best 5 out of 10. Money changed hands at some point, and then he kept just firing away at rack after rack for a while.

It's funny, he seemed annoyed and somehow resigned but managed a 15 and 14 back to back. Surprisingly intense and 'invested' even in something that seemed to be a just for fun mini tournament. Very straight shooter, awesome at judging the speed of stun shots when he falls a bit too straight and must power the CB over.

How do you like to break 'em? He was doing more of a standard 1p break but occasionally got annoyed and just blasted 'em, and seemed to do well when he opened 'em up.
 
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