Cues Staying Straight and Conditions

Fast Lenny

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Well I have owned many cues of all sorts and makers. I live here in Arizona where it is dry and it seems quite test for cues outside of this state to stay straight. I have gotten cues that are straight and within 6 months or less they have a roll to them. I do not leave my cue outside in my car or anything and rarely fly with them but do get out and play often.

I think that this dry desert place can mess with cues coming from more humid environments. When I lived in NY I did not have many cues that would develop a bad roll out or hop. What are people's opinions or knowledge of causes for the issues of cues not staying straight? I do know the cue builder can do things to help keep thing fairly straight such as seasoning and whatnot. I also am curious if hanging a cue assembled will help to straighten it back out somewhat, I have heard of people hanging shafts or whatever but really do not know much about it, do you put a weight on the end of the shaft or something or just attach the cue and butt?
 
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Funny, I was thinking about this last night... Reason being, 2 soon to be 3 of my cues are from the Philippines(Mr.Al Bautista)...all are straight by the way :thumbup:...and was wondering what the difference in humidity was between where I live and where the cues come from...
Here, it's between 55-80, in the Philippines it's 65-85...so there's really not that much difference...here...

I would think being in a very low humidity area could cause problems if exposed to the elements too much...not saying anything about the way you care for your cues, but that dryness will eventually suck up the moisture...if any is left in the cue...

Having the cue properly seasoned before building is always a major plus, but there's no guarantees a stick won't warp...

I'm pretty fanatical about storage. All my cues stand upright when not in use, and only laid flat during travel...

Anyways, good thread Lenny...looking forward to hearing more on this topic for my own benefit of trying to keep things straight!! :thumbup:
 
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I would imagine, Lenny, that the dry Arizona heat is indeed the culprit.
Generally speaking, cues will have a moisture content of around six to ten percent, at which point they are relatively stable. With a combination of high heat and almost non-existant humidity, keeping a cue straight in your locale might prove difficult.
If any of the local pool rooms are air-conditioned, which I'm sure they are, then keeping a cue in a locker (on the premises) might be a way to go. :)

P.S. Having said that, if I had to play a lot of One Pocket against Frost, it wouldn't matter if my cue was bent double or as straight as a Methodist minister.
 
Funny, I was thinking about this last night... Reason being, 2 soon to be 3 of my cues are from the Philippines(Mr.Al Bautista)...all are straight by the way :thumbup:...and was wondering what the difference in humidity was between where I live and where the cues come from...
Here, it's between 55-80, in the Philippines it's 65-85...so there's really not that much difference...here...

I would think being in a very low humidity area could cause problems if exposed to the elements too much...not saying anything about the way you care for your cues, but that dryness will eventually suck up the moisture...if any is left in the cue...

Having the cue properly seasoned before building is always a major plus, but there's no guarantees a stick won't warp...

I'm pretty fanatical about storage. All my cues stand upright when not in use, and only laid flat during travel...

Anyways, good thread Lenny...looking forward to hearing more on this topic for my own benefit of trying to keep things straight!! :thumbup:

I own a Philippine cue also and just got it a couple months back and its not straight. I just think this low humidity does it unless the cue is older.
 
seasoning wood

Have you thought about having a prospective cuemaker use wood that you yourself have seasoned in Arizona? Seems that if you had some shaft blanks kept somewhere in your home for a while, you could then vacuum seal them and mail to your cuemaker. The shaft would be straight at your humidity. Another idea, considering someone else's excellent suggestion of humidifying, would be to put some kind of platform in the middle of a rubbermaid container and fill the bottom with water, like a humidor.
What do you think?
Also, I was told by an antique expert that putting bent wood in direct sunlight bends it back to its original shape. When I find the right super-bent shaft, I am going to test the idea on shafts. Might as well, if they're ruined. Just ideas.
 
Lenny, I've lived in Arizona for over 20 years and have never had any of my cues or shafts warp. They stay in my house until I go somewhere to play. Then in an air-conditioned car to the pool room. Then back home. Have you left them in your car or car trunk for any length of time (over 8 hours)? My cues include McDermott and several I-series shafts, Schon with an I-3 shaft, and Carolina Custom. I've moved to California about 4 years ago and my cues are still like new. Hope you discover what's causing your warpage.
 
Well I have owned many cues of all sorts and makers. I live here in Arizona where it is dry and it seems quite test for cues outside of this state to stay straight. I have gotten cues that are straight and within 6 months or less they have a roll to them. I do not leave my cue outside in my car or anything and rarely fly with them but do get out and play often.

I think that this dry desert place can mess with cues coming from more humid environments. When I lived in NY I did not have many cues that would develop a bad roll out or hop. What are people's opinions or knowledge of causes for the issues of cues not staying straight? I do know the cue builder can do things to help keep thing fairly straight such as seasoning and whatnot. I also am curious if hanging a cue assembled will help to straighten it back out somewhat, I have heard of people hanging shafts or whatever but really do not know much about it, do you put a weight on the end of the shaft or something or just attach the cue and butt?

The wood in any cue must be aloud to breath, so even thought they are finished minimal migration of moisture will continue throughout a cues life depending upon the environment it is exposed to. Sometimes a cue will release internal moisture and sometimes it will absorb moisture.

I have talked with people who took cues to Vegas for events and had their cue's shaft develop a small wobble that disappeared when they left and returned to where they came from after a short time due to the above.

JIMO
 
Sorry, I don't have the answer but rather more questions.
I live in IL <--sucks! but will be moving to AZ within the next two years. Do you think normal maintenance like cleaning and waxing will help keep the cues straight? I plan to have a pool room in the new house (hopefully buying in May '11). My plan was to keep all my cues on cue hangers that grip from the ferrule and hang the complete cue from the ceiling. I was hoping that was all I needed to do to keep them all in good shape. If it's not enough I definitely want to learn how to keep them once we get out there.
 
Cues Staying Straight

Fast Lenny,

You're on the right track in suspecting that changing moisture content can cause cues to warp.

This will be a fairly long read.....my apologies for that.

As it relates to wood, the term "moisture content", is a comparison of the weight of the water in a piece wood to the weight of the wood fibers themselves. Generally speaking water is heavy, and wood fibers are light, so the weight of the water in a wet board can be more than the weight of the wood fibers. Thus, in that particular board, the "moisture content" may be 125% or 150%.

So, if we say a piece of wood has 10% moisture content, then that means that the weight of the water in that piece of wood amounts to ten percent, or 1/10 of the weight of the wood fibers piece of wood.

Freshly sawn wood (referred to in the industry as "green") straight from the forest has a very high moisture content, and will begin to lose that moisture to the atmosphere immediately. Green wood must have a great deal of that water removed before it can be used for most purposes.

The manner in which the moisture content is slowly dried out has a great deal to do with the quality of the wood once it reaches a suitable level of dryness. Wood that will be used to frame a house is usually dried to about 16%, while wood that will be used for cabinetry will be kept in the dryer until it is down to 6% or so.

Now, "relative humidity" as the weatherman explains it, is the amount of water air will hold at a certain temperature before it starts to condense (rain or dew). Warm air will hold more water than cooler air. Thus, the "relative" aspect refers to the effect of the temperature. The actual volume of water in a given volume of air is different than "relative humidity".

Relative humidity for any given locale can change dramatically from day to day. It is the average relative humidity over extended periods that will have the biggest effect on your pool cue. Your cue, like all wood that remains in an environment for an extended time, will absorb or lose water until it reaches a state called "equilibrium". That is the balance point, so to speak, between the amount of water the wood will naturally contain versus the amount of water in the air. Generally, a cue that is in equilibrium in Miami will have a higher moisture content than a cue in equilibrium in Phoenix.

Now, when wood fibers gain or lose moisture, they will gain or lose weight. There will be some swelling or shrinkage as well. That swelling or shrinkage is what causes the warpage and cracking in cues.

Wood that was properly dried when it was first taken from the forest and sawn is more likely to be able to resist warpage due to moisture content changes. The care and process taken to properly dry and store fine wood is one of the reasons it costs so much as compared to a regular old two by four down at the lumber yard.

One way to tell if your new cue is likely to warp, is to measure the moisture content of it versus the moisture content of cues that have been in your area for a couple of years. Almost all cabinet shops or wood floor installers will have a handheld electronic moisture meter. It takes about one minute to calibrate the meter and measure your cues. If there is a difference of several percent, you might have trouble in the future.

Although wood has some degree of elasticity, it can be permanently bent to a desired shape by industrial steam processes. Unfortunately, few persons have had any luck whatsoever in straightening a bent cue shaft.

Although it is difficult to protect your cue from climate change, you can lessen its vulnerability. The butt, of course, has a finish that helps protect it. Your shaft, though, is usually only finished a few inches down from the joint. Keeping the shaft burnished will help a lot. That will flatten the hairy little wood fibers that protrude from the cue and act like a sponge.

Due to the process by which wood absorbs or loses moisture, a very vulnerable part of your cue is where any "end grain" could be exposed. That would be at each end of both the shaft and butt. Again, the butt is pretty well protected by the butt cap and the joint. The business end of the shaft is protected by the ferrule. However, there will usually be some end grain exposed at the joint. A joint protector for your shaft may be a wise purchase, as a tight fit will help keep that end grain covered.

Again, I sincerely apologize it took so long to expain the issue. :p

Cheers.

Joe
 
warpage

I've been asking about the same issue lately as I live in Tahoe half the year and AZ the other half- almost zero humidity in both. Not an expert, but I don't agree with allowing the wood to breathe- If anything, I think the wood gets thirsty and needs a drink of oil. I would suggest putting a good coat of oil on and leaving overnight upright position, then wiping down good after a day or two. As for the cues already warped, try hanging them in your bathroom and taking a couple showers- Try to put some pressure on them by hanging and yes the weight is a good idea. Add the moisture and let them hang- sure worth a try
 
I have had my Chinese made Lucasi here in Colorado(very dry climate) for over a year now and it is as straight as can be.I never leave it in the car other then to and from the poolroom and it stays in a rather cold closet.
 
Not an expert by far, but from what I've read/heard, you need to let the wood "sit" or acclimate to the weather in the area for a while before actually using it. Doing this will help get the wood to the consistency or whatever it is you want to call it for our area??
 
Try this on your next fresh cue.
Measure their weight IN GRAMS.
Check their weight a few weeks later.
You might be in for a shock. :D
 
I've been asking about the same issue lately as I live in Tahoe half the year and AZ the other half- almost zero humidity in both. Not an expert, but I don't agree with allowing the wood to breathe- If anything, I think the wood gets thirsty and needs a drink of oil. I would suggest putting a good coat of oil on and leaving overnight upright position, then wiping down good after a day or two. As for the cues already warped, try hanging them in your bathroom and taking a couple showers- Try to put some pressure on them by hanging and yes the weight is a good idea. Add the moisture and let them hang- sure worth a try

that's interesting, it's recommended by snooker cue manufacturers that if you own an ash cue, you should routinely oil it with linseed (boiled or raw i'm not sure) it keeps the grains from drying out, and falling out of the cue, as well prevent's moisture from being absorbed. it's odd that i've never heard of any "oiling" or maintenance for pool cues from cuemakers.
 
Well I have owned many cues of all sorts and makers. I live here in Arizona where it is dry and it seems quite test for cues outside of this state to stay straight. I have gotten cues that are straight and within 6 months or less they have a roll to them. I do not leave my cue outside in my car or anything and rarely fly with them but do get out and play often.

I think that this dry desert place can mess with cues coming from more humid environments. When I lived in NY I did not have many cues that would develop a bad roll out or hop. What are people's opinions or knowledge of causes for the issues of cues not staying straight? I do know the cue builder can do things to help keep thing fairly straight such as seasoning and whatnot. I also am curious if hanging a cue assembled will help to straighten it back out somewhat, I have heard of people hanging shafts or whatever but really do not know much about it, do you put a weight on the end of the shaft or something or just attach the cue and butt?

I recently got a Tony Zinzola (yup, finally let the Tad go) who makes his cues out east. Beautiful cue with a sweet Radial pin w/ ivory joint hit. It was straight as an arrow when I first got it about 2 1/2 months ago. Now, there is slight wobble to the cue and it's probably left my house 3 times (well protected each time of course) in those 2 1/2 months. Those who know me, know that I take meticulous care of my cues.

I've got to believe it's the climate/humidity change... especially coming from the east coast. No amount of "aging" or "sitting" is going to prevent this once the cue is built and assembled, IMO. It sucks, but I think it's just a fact of life for some cues brought into this climate (obviously not all cues).

But hey, at least it's a dry heat!

Ray
 
I recently got a Tony Zinzola (yup, finally let the Tad go) who makes his cues out east. Beautiful cue with a sweet Radial pin w/ ivory joint hit. It was straight as an arrow when I first got it about 2 1/2 months ago. Now, there is slight wobble to the cue and it's probably left my house 3 times (well protected each time of course) in those 2 1/2 months. Those who know me, know that I take meticulous care of my cues.

I've got to believe it's the climate/humidity change... especially coming from the east coast. No amount of "aging" or "sitting" is going to prevent this once the cue is built and assembled, IMO. It sucks, but I think it's just a fact of life for some cues brought into this climate (obviously not all cues).

But hey, at least it's a dry heat!

Ray
Sorry to hear that Ray. Zinzola makes a nice cue. I am unsure of what it is because I feel I also take good care of my cues and never leave them exposed to the heat or anything, its just the dryness I feel that makes some cues do funny things. I bought one of those cue hangers and am going to try it sometime, one of my cues has it in the forearm, that really sucks, the shafts are okay though, the cue was refinished about 3-4 months back.
 
I have lived in Az for 25 yrs or so, and don't know if I have ever had a shaft that didn't warp over time.

I got lucky and found a solution.

I use a old D series McDermott, and got one of the I Series (I2) http://www.mcdermottcue.com/ishafthome.php composite-high tech shafts a couple years ago. Amazing difference! So much more action with the cue ball.

Best benefit being (say that fast 3 times) a lifetime warranty against warpage. Perfect for Arizona players. Try one out, you'll like it. Much different from Predator-OB shafts.
 
I have lived in Az for 25 yrs or so, and don't know if I have ever had a shaft that didn't warp over time.

I got lucky and found a solution.

I use a old D series McDermott, and got one of the I Series (I2) http://www.mcdermottcue.com/ishafthome.php composite-high tech shafts a couple years ago. Amazing difference! So much more action with the cue ball.

Best benefit being (say that fast 3 times) a lifetime warranty against warpage. Perfect for Arizona players. Try one out, you'll like it. Much different from Predator-OB shafts.
Thanks for the suggestion and I might give it a try, my cue has been sent out and 2 shafts being made for it along with a refinish, hope it holds up this time. :)
 
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