Daryl Peach safety after the Break

Last time I felt sorry for a guy in a tournament, he won the race.

I was spotting him in a race to 5 and I broke and ran the first 3 racks before he ever got a shot. Then I felt sorry for the guy and started letting up and then he lucked a couple 9 balls in and I wound up losing the set 3 to 5.

I'd rather play a guy who never misses than an banger. I have a tendency to lose my concentration when I know I can miss a few balls and still get a chance to get back to the table.
 
RunoutJJ said:
So I'm having a discussion on the possibility of poor sportsmanship involving Daryl Peach and an opponent on the GB9 Ball tour.

Peach is up 7-3 (race to 9?) and his opponent fouls on the break. Then Peach plays a safe of the 1 ball of the frozen rack to 3 foul him.

First I would like to say that this is perfectly a legal shot and he did make it legally but the question is... Do you think with such a commanding lead against a weaker player he should have just broke the balls and run out?

Personally If I was in Peach's position I would've broke and continued to play the rack. It just seems like a little unsportsmanlike to do that when having a strong lead against someone in the first round of this Tour.

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Your point of view wont find much sympathy here and absolutely none from any B-player or better..
 
If this were just in practice or friendly game, why try for the 3foul. However, this was a tournament. We are all big boys here. If you can keep him from winning any game it's not unsportsmanlike at all. In fact, I think its expected to keep him down. Do you think for a moment that his opponent, if the tables were turned, would let up for him? I doubt it. Esp. in short races where packs can be ran. There's a reason the top pros win. Once they're in front, they never let anyone back in.
 
Why would anyone call it "unsportsmanlike" when it is a rule that all can use?

While 7-3 may sound like a commanding lead, it can evaporate very quickly.

Pool is their living. No need to take any chances when there is money on the line.
 
Skratch said:
If this were just in practice or friendly game, why try for the 3foul.
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Because you practice things you intend to use in competition. That's why it is called 'practice.'

As for the friendly game, again, it is good to figure out how to play effective safeties and how to escape safeties in a non-competition setting.
 
Whenever I am thinking about not playing a safe or using some rule to win a game (3 fouls or whatever) or going for a low % shot instead of a much easier safe I just think "why would I give my opponent a greater chance of winning in place of playing the right shot?". I doubt they will be nice and not play a dead combo and try to run out or not play a safe when they can. Sure if I am playing in a local weekly fun tournament and I am playing a much weaker player I may not fully play all the right shots, but in a pro event, hell with the other player and what is nice to do for them. Why would I play something I know will give them an advantage? It's not up to me to give them a better chance of winning.
 
There's another match where one guy intentionally fouls and marries up 3 balls to the rail.
This led to the most interesting match, I can assure you.

So no, 3 fouling somebody can be a very interesting tactical feat.

Cheers,
M
 
Skratch said:
If this were just in practice or friendly game, why try for the 3foul. ...
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Because the point of practice is to prepare you for the real thing. Can you skim the one ball and freeze the cue ball to the middle of the foot rail? Or even better, to the bottom of the back-most ball? That would be a good skill to have when the shot comes up in a tournament. Also, your opponent gets to learn how to kick at the one ball for the next time he miscues on the break and hits nothing.

In a social game, of course you would just let the fouler break again after giving him a little grief for such a doofus move and pointing out what the real rule is.
 
any game is offence and defence, there is a prevelant theory in many sports and games that defence WINS and that a good defence TRUMPS a good offence

in pool in North America it's cheap, and unsportsmanlike
 
smashmouth said:
any game is offence and defence, there is a prevelant theory in many sports and games that defence WINS and that a good defence TRUMPS a good offence

in pool in North America it's cheap, and unsportsmanlike
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Huh? It is impossible to score with defenSe in many games.
 
I think if Peach did this to Shaw, Earl, SVB, Archer and whom ever else you want to name would of got the worst of it due to his leave.
 
smashmouth said:
any game is offence and defence, there is a prevelant theory in many sports and games that defence WINS and that a good defence TRUMPS a good offence

in pool in North America it's cheap, and unsportsmanlike
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I don't want to brag, but my golf defense is the best. I pick up my opponents ball and throw that motherf*cker as far as I can.
 
PoppaSaun said:
Because you practice things you intend to use in competition. That's why it is called 'practice.'

As for the friendly game, again, it is good to figure out how to play effective safeties and how to escape safeties in a non-competition setting.
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With you're logic you should always play tough. I don't take it to that level if it's not a serious game. Come on now, part of playing the game is remembering that it is just that...a game. One should have fun with it at times also and not always play cutthroat.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Because the point of practice is to prepare you for the real thing. Can you skim the one ball and freeze the cue ball to the middle of the foot rail? Or even better, to the bottom of the back-most ball? That would be a good skill to have when the shot comes up in a tournament. Also, your opponent gets to learn how to kick at the one ball for the next time he miscues on the break and hits nothing.

In a social game, of course you would just let the fouler break again after giving him a little grief for such a doofus move and pointing out what the real rule is.
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You don't need to be that way in every situation. I agree practice is to prepare you for the real thing, but are you really practicing the 3foul? Are you going to look for every opportunity to do so, as in like having a drill routine to do the 3foul? Come on, I would rather work on other parts of my game than that. You can practice regular safety play without having to include "practicing" for 3foul. Its like practicing to get the 9ball on the break as opposed to breaking to get a good spread, a ball in the hole, and making sure you have a shot at the next ball.

So I guess I'm missing the point.
 
Skratch said:
With you're logic you should always play tough. I don't take it to that level if it's not a serious game. Come on now, part of playing the game is remembering that it is just that...a game. One should have fun with it at times also and not always play cutthroat.
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I guarantee that I have more fun with pool than most. My opponents do, also. I don't really play tourneys anymore and don't gamble. There are about ten people I will even play with, six of them are my closest six friends in the world. The others are guys who don't feel the need to gamble to play their best game.

Having fun and playing tough are not mutually exclusive.

A little story: One of the top ten women's foosball players in the world was a very close friend of mine. She once won a tourney playing with the number one woman in the world. In the finals my friend was nervous, stressed, and frazzled. Well into the final set, The opposing team took a time out, and the #1 woman turned to my friend with a huge grin and said, 'Isn't this fun?'

I think people forget that too often. The one session of APA I played I had a teammate who took a timeout and asked for my advice (I was the only person she ever asked for advice, and only that one time.). She started off by asking me to listen to her ideas before giving advice, etc.. She was very self-conscious. I listened, pointed and out the pros and cons of her ideas. She said that the part that helper her the most was simply two words at the end of the timeout: 'Have fun.'
 
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