DCC Hotel Proposal

Personally, I wouldn't like to see the event anywhere near a casino. I think that would kill a lot of the action that takes place at the event. The gamblers would be down in the casinos throwing money away and not keeping it flowing through pool players pockets.
 
NO CASINOS EVER.

Fastest way to kill it IMO. There are enough pool events in casinos.

Greg knows what he is doing. He built it. If it can be done I have faith he will figure out a way.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
For the business you take in, Greg, you have the juice to red-line their proposals. I'd tell Gualt $99/night and no parking fee...take it or leave it.

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The Al J. Schneider Company owns and operates the Galt House Hotel & Suites, Executive Inn, Executive West, Waterfront Plaza, One Riverfront Plaza and Home Lumber Supply.

The ownership is among Louisville's wealthiest families. If you tell those people to take it or leave it...they would be very willing to leave it.

It is a 4 Star, upscale hotel...quite a step up from the Executive Inn. I just checked and there Saturday rate for more than a month out is $148.00.

Regards,
Jim
 
Specs

Greg as I understand it you need 80,000 square feet and 600 rooms.

If anyone out there has this available in their home town. Send the information to Greg. Perhaps you should post it on this forum since Greg's PM's are full and can't take anymore.

The question to the AZ community is this:

Should Greg hardline Galt House for under - one hundred dollar per night rates and risk losing the DCC for one year? It could happen.

Time is moving fast.

If any of you have the above specs down pat post them and let's talk about it.

JoeyA
 
Specs

Greg as I understand it you need 80,000 square feet and 600 rooms.

If anyone out there has this available in their home town. Send the information to Greg. Perhaps you should post it on this forum since Greg's PM's are full and can't take anymore.

The question to the AZ community is this:

Should Greg hardline Galt House for under - one hundred dollar per night rates and risk losing the DCC for one year? It could happen.

Time is moving fast.

If any of you have the above specs down pat post them and let's talk about it.

BTW, The Galt House $146 a night rate would enable Greg to have published times for ALL MATCHES.

JoeyA
JoeyA
 
watchez said:
That is a pretty telling statement.

I think with over $100 per night rooms for a hotel by the airport in Louisville KY is ridiculious. No one spends anytime in their rooms anyways = I wouldn't care how nice it looked, just not a flea bag.
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Hell I got a room at some extended stay somethingarother 2 DCC"S back for $159 per WEEK!
 
JCIN said:
NO CASINOS EVER.

Fastest way to kill it IMO. There are enough pool events in casinos.
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If this sport is to ever hit the mainstream it will do so with the support, sponsership and advertising dollars of the casinos. Simonis cloth and table cleaner sponsers are not cutting it and they never will. Without the support of casinos this sport is doomed to the subculture it is now existing in forever.
 
Celtic said:
If this sport is to ever hit the mainstream it will do so with the support, sponsership and advertising dollars of the casinos. Simonis cloth and table cleaner sponsers are not cutting it and they never will. Without the support of casinos this sport is doomed to the subculture it is now existing in forever.
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Fine. I like the subculture. Because taking an event like the Derby to a casino will kill it.

Casino's have absolutely no love for pool. They want people in the pit, that is all. Which is fine, that is there business but if pool fell off the face of the earth tomorrow they wouldn't miss a beat.

There are plenty of events in casinos right now.

Ask pro players how they feel about events where they have to spend 8 or 9 days in a casino. Ask them how they would like to add another one to the list. The spectators and "normal" players are what make the Derby and the casino would eat everyone up. Not like you are gonna get Reno room rates and the kind of convention space the Derby needs. We are talking about a serious amount of space here. It is a tough problem to solve.
 
What ever happened with Nashville?

Most pool players struggle financially as it is, with those room rates nobody would have any $ left for the entry fee's or to gamble with:eek: .
 
Well, with a little help from Jay, I'll bet you could find something nice in or around LA. And thats a pretty cool place, but far for the east coast guys.
 
I would also assume choosing a new state will depend on the rules of gambling. What constitutes gambling vs wagering. KY is pretty lenient on a lot of things. New Orleans would be too I assume. Some states might just arrest half the players if they gambled on pool. I also think keeping it in the south will keep the number of banks players high since it is so prevelant in the area. Louisville has so many things going for it in terms of legality and geographic location etc. Hard to compete with that for our sport.

Anyone know which states would be a problem? In some states you might HAVE to be on an Indian reservation or a casino due to licensing requirements. I don't know? Thoughts?
 
cueandcushion said:
I would also assume choosing a new state will depend on the rules of gambling. What constitutes gambling vs wagering. KY is pretty lenient on a lot of things. New Orleans would be too I assume. Some states might just arrest half the players if they gambled on pool. I also think keeping it in the south will keep the number of banks players high since it is so prevelant in the area. Louisville has so many things going for it in terms of legality and geographic location etc. Hard to compete with that for our sport.

Anyone know which states would be a problem? In some states you might HAVE to be on an Indian reservation or a casino due to licensing requirements. I don't know? Thoughts?
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I've talked to a couple of ODO's that I work with (off duty officers) and they say in the state of California, as long as you know your opponents name it is considered a, "gentlemen's bet".

That's a good question. I wonder what the relevancy is torwards calcutta's in different states as well.
 
hilla_hilla said:
I've talked to a couple of ODO's that I work with (off duty officers) and they say in the state of California, as long as you know your opponents name it is considered a, "gentlemen's bet".
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That is no problem at all........

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I've been reading all of the posts in this thread and trying to figure out any input or suggestions I might have. JCIN is right, this is a very difficult situation. I honestly believe that if this tournament moved to the west coast it would not do nearly as well. Although it may not seem like it to those on the far west coast, Louiseville is fairly centerally located for alot of players for the east coast and midwest. I know players will follow the money, but as JCIN pointed out, the average players and fans make this tournament as large as it is. As far as the rates, I do agree that Greg has a lot more leverage than most are giving credit for. Whatever comes of it, we really appreciate you letting us know whats going on and giving us updates. Please continue to do so and thanks for all the time and effort you're putting into this.
 
LMAO good one JCIN.

I agree on no casino. If the DCC were held there, the action would move to the casino floor instead of the pool table. More than a few times I have asked players who went to the Reno event if there was any action and they said no, that everyone was busted at the end from enjoying the casino a bit too much.

I do agree though that the DCC ought to be looking at other cities if Louisville is not panning out. If they do move though, will it still be the "Derby City" Classic?
 
I agree 100 percent with the comments about the casinos as a pool tournament environment. They suck. I have never liked Las Vegas for pool tournaments. There are too many distractions.

The thing that is unique about the DCC is the fact that everything is under one roof. You never have to leave the joint for an entire week.

Also, the name of this event is the DERBY City Classic. It has to be in Louisville. To host it somewhere else just wouldn't be the same. Louisville has been a tradition for a lot of pool folk. I think it should stay in Louisville.

It is harder to negotiate the price at the Galt house because of where it is located, downtown near the harbor. I would like to think that the leveraging power at the Executive Inn would better.

One alternative is for Greg not to worry about people's lodging problems. The Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, each year seems to have the majority of their hotel rooms on site reserved for vendors and staff. It is a pain in the ass for attendees to stay elsewhere. Yet, Allen Hopkins builds it, and they all come.

The majority of competitors and attendees for this event must stay off site. Actually, it is a pain in the ass because of the parking, but the SBE is still successful if you consider the amount of folks who come there each year.

Louisville has the equivalent of the Valley Forge Conference Center with its Kentucky Exposition Center: http://www.kyconvention.org/meeting_facilities/meeting_facilities.html

This has plenty of space. Greg could look into the area hotels, seeing if he could get a discount for DCC attendees, but like the Super Billiards Expo, the attedees can pick and choose their hotel.

It is quite different than everyone under one roof, but sometimes when events grow like the DCC, change has to occur to keep it going.

At any rate, I throw it out there for consideration. :)

JAM
 
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I would like to see it stay where it has been, it is just great. I would gladly to pay $100 for the Executive Inn, that is only 20 more per day, The Galt is downtown, might be more traffic, I think Greg will figure something out, but it needs to stay in Louisville or surroundings, and if it could stay in the same hotel, that would be fantastic.
 
If, it is the Derby City Classic, Louisville is Derby City, how about a Move West to Sin City, and calling it the SCC in Las Vegas.
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