Dealing With Barkcinnamon

No Its Not the same at all

daniel said:
Curious if you get the same protection if using a debit card as opposed to credit card.

No! To get complete dispute protection, you need to fund your PayPal payment through a credit card. A debit card is not the same thing at all. Credit cards banks all give you at least 30 days after you have received the statement to dispute any charge on that statement. You can dispute for a variety of reasons, but in the cases we are talking "item not received" or "item received different than represented", work fine. Once you file the dispute, your credit card company holds that amount in suspense while they "contact the merchant". You don't pay interest and if you pay your account in full every month, "in full" is figured without the suspense amount. it is held that way until the dispute is settled.

How your credit card bank notifies PayPal that a dispute has been filed is they yank the disputed $$$ back from PayPal. Now you are not "out" the money and neither is your bank, PayPal is. PayPal now goes to the seller's PayPal account and, if there is enough $$ to cover the dispute, they yank it out, no notice, just zip, gone. If there is not enough $$ to cover, they take out what $$$ is there and close the seller's PayPal account until the seller ponies up the balance. If the seller doesn't pony up Paypal chases them with the nuts like any bank that is owed $$$.

PayPal then doesn't much care how it comes out, they've got their $$ back, your bank doesn't care, they've got their $$ back, and you don't care as you essentially aren't out the $$ until the dispute is cleared and that will only happen when you agree that the seller has satisfied you.

All you guys that are arguing with lazy, incompetent, uncaring or deceitful sellers, please imagine how different your discussions would be if you had both their product and their cash, which is what happens in a credit card merchant dispute, the seller is out both the product and the $$ while the dispute is being discussed.

You don't get any of these protection with a debit card, it's like writing a check except it clears faster.


Kevin
 
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Mr Hoppe said:
I had a cue posted for sale here and Barkcinnamon said "I'll take it, just invoice me via PayPal." I did so, marked the cue "Sold pending payment," and Barkcinnamon never paid. Of course I didn't send the cue without payment, but this also shows Barkcinnamon's character.
He smarted off like a felt up school girl to me as well but the Mods snapped his panties.
Hunter...get in line...I have a couple I'd like to get eyeball to eyeball with as well. Funny though...I actually got to meet one at a tourney...amazing how polite they suddenly get and want to make nice. Too late! Internet makes too many people brave....nice when it works out that you get to meet and make friends in a parking lot.;)
 
crdit card companies are starting to not offer protection

kvinbrwr said:
No! To get complete dispute protection, you need to fund your PayPal payment through a credit card. A debit card is not the same thing at all. Credit cards banks all give you at least 30 days after you have received the statement to dispute any charge on that statement. You can dispute for a variety of reasons, but in the cases we are talking "item not received" or "item received different than represented", work fine. Once you file the dispute, your credit card company holds that amount in suspense while they "contact the merchant". You don't pay interest and if you pay your account in full every month, "in full" is figured without the suspense amount. it is held that way until the dispute is settled.

How your credit card bank notifies PayPal that a dispute has been filed is they yank the disputed $$$ back from PayPal. Now you are not "out" the money and neither is your bank, PayPal is. PayPal now goes to the seller's PayPal account and, if there is enough $$ to cover the dispute, they yank it out, no notice, just zip, gone. If there is not enough $$ to cover, they take out what $$$ is there and close the seller's PayPal account until the seller ponies up the balance. If the seller doesn't pony up Paypal chases them with the nuts like any bank that is owed $$$.

PayPal then doesn't much care how it comes out, they've got their $$ back, your bank doesn't care, they've got their $$ back, and you don't care as you essentially aren't out the $$ until the dispute is cleared and that will only happen when you agree that the seller has satisfied you.

All you guys that are arguing with lazy, incompetent, uncaring or deceitful sellers, please imagine how different your discussions would be if you had both their product and their cash, which is what happens in a credit card merchant dispute, the seller is out both the product and the $$ while the dispute is being discussed.

You don't get any of these protection with a debit card, it's like writing a check except it clears faster.


Kevin

Not so. Discover has recently revised their policiys and do not offer protection against an item as not describe, The people there told me that they are merely a money exchanger just like pay pal,. The trend will follow with other credit card companies also as money gets tighter in our current econonmy.

Previously, the seller would first have to prove that the merchandise was returned, before the credit card compnay would even open the dispute.

I am also told by the credit card companies that if the merchant (thus being pay pal, in the middle) refuses to honer the refund, it will not happen I have experience this also thru discover.

Goodluck
 
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As a heads up...bark reported this post as being npr...but since he snuck behind me and posted the item and then sold it here....have at it.

There is a lesson here for people who want to buy and sell non pool related items, I think speaks for itself.

We have such rules for good reason.
 
Yet another reason not to use Discover

shotmaker said:
Not so. Discover has recently revised their policiys and do not offer protection against an item as not describe, The people there told me that they are merely a money exchanger just like pay pal,. The trend will follow with other credit card companies also as money gets tighter in our current econonmy.

Previously, the seller would first have to prove that the merchandise was returned, before the credit card compnay would even open the dispute.

I am also told by the credit card companies that if the merchant (thus being pay pal, in the middle) refuses to honer the refund, it will not happen I have experience this also thru discover.

Goodluck

All credit card companies have as part of their merchant agreement a proviso where they arbitrate "not as described" disputes between the buyer and seller. This agreement doesn't cover the banks agreement with PayPal. MC, Visa and AmEx wouldn't process with Paypal if what used to be a 3 way dispute (merchant - bank - buyer) was now to become 4 ways (seller - PayPal - bank - buyer) so the agreement they worked out with PayPal is the banks notify PayPal of a dispute by immediately taking their clients (the buyer's) money back while PayPal is now on the hook to arbitrate the dispute. Paypal always starts their "arbitration" of disputes the same way, they take the money back from the seller.

"Not received" is handled by everyone in the same manner, the merchant (or seller in Paypal's case) is required to come up with signature proof of delivery or the merchant or seller is an immediate loser. Again, even in the case of "not received" claims, the seller is out the funds while he is in the process of providing his proof of delivery to PayPal. PayPal's notice of a bank dispute to the seller is delivered in the same manner as the bank's notice to Paypal, they have simply taken the $$$ back.

Kevin
 
Love my Amex they always go to the mat for their customers. Phone service has always been excellent in my experiance. Have used them in a Paypal dispute when stuff wasn't recieved and my account was immediately credited until things were worked out.
 
AmEx is SO the way to go

lenoxmjs said:
Love my Amex they always go to the mat for their customers. Phone service has always been excellent in my experiance. Have used them in a Paypal dispute when stuff wasn't received and my account was immediately credited until things were worked out.

Me too. I spend about 30K a month on eBay, all using PayPal or I won't do the deal, all though AmEx. If I have a dispute I file it online with the click of the mouse and my new refrigerator I bought with my AmEx points is being delivered tomorrow. Got to love AmEx for customer service and it makes the PayPal experience seamless.
 
barkcinnamon said:
WHO THE HELL IS "DANIEL"!??

Daniel is Tim Simala. The person you mailed the jackets to.

I was not going to post here, but I will. Daniel (Tim) wanted the Coach leather jackets that Bark advertised on here and on Ebay. I owed him some money, so he asked me if I would pay Bark for the jackets with my Paypal. I did that with the instructions to Bark to ship to Tim (which he did). Tim had already been in contact with Bark to arrange everything.

Upon receipt of the jackets, Tim called me and stated that the main jacket in the order was in fact not a Coach brand, but it was a different, cheaper brand. He had specifically wanted a Coach jacket and was excited because he was getting one for a real good deal. He was rightfully upset when he called Bark and was told that he "Needed a motorcycle"..whatever the heck that meant.

After exhausting his options, Tim asked me to file a dispute for "Goods significantly different than ordered" (or whatever the heck they call it) with Paypal so I could get the money back. I did. Bark was contacted through the arbitration procedure. He stated simply "item not purchased through Ebay" and refused further contact. Paypal stated that since the item was not purchased through Ebay, they would only return the money if there was no proof of shipment. They did not warrantee that the items would be as described, only that something was shipped.

This entire fiasco is a slick operation, in my opinion. Post an item on Ebay and on this forum, get a valid offer on Ebay, refuse it, contact the buyer for an off-Ebay purchase, ship different item, and when notified of a dispute by Paypal, state that item was not purchased on Ebay as the defense. It seems highly thought out, to me.
Joe
 
hangemhigh said:
Any guesses as to how long before he edits the post to ....................................................................?

That's why every post that this jerk makes should quickly be quoted by someone in a reply.
What a piece of work. :mad:
 
cuetrip said:
That's why every post that this jerk makes should quickly be quoted by someone in a reply.
What a piece of work. :mad:


GOT IT!!!!:D

BARKINGBOW-WOW=====> what do you see when you look in the mirror:confused:
 
Well, since Barkcinnamon made his reply in such a way that it cannot be qouted, I simple made a screen shot.
Bark, I'm not sure you want to rip into Joe (Bamacues) here. You'll find he has many friends here including myself who have trusted Joe with far more money than this deal is about, Joe is as good as it gets.

Take the jackets back, refund the money it's not rocketscience.

 
Quote:

WHO ARE YOU!?
YOU TRANSACTED BUSINESS WITH ME!?
I DON'T KNOW YOU! YOU'VE NEVER TRANSACTED BUSINESS WITH ME!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHERE DID YOUR GOODS COME FROM!?
DID YOU CLAIM THIS INCOME TO THE IRS? ARE YOU BETTER BUSINESS REGISTERED?
HAVE YOU REGISTERED WITH CONSUMER AFFAIRS? TELL ME MORE!
SHOW ME YOUR RECIEPTS, ARE YOU REPTUABLE AND ACCOUNTED FOR?
ARE YOU VERIFIED AND CONFIRMED BUSINESS? ARE YOU STATE LICENSED?

OR ARE YOU UNREGISTERED, UNCONFIRMED, UNLICENSED!!
DO YOU LAUNDER TRANSACTIONS IN AND OUT OF AUTO GARAGE BACKDOORS!

SHOW EVERYONE HOW YOU DO BUSINESS, POST YOUR RECIEPTS.
OR I WILL!

Heres his quote. Thou not in the huge red script. This could have been resolved very simply Bark. Now you're leveling threats at folks in a public forum hiding behind your computer.
 
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I called him out on this as well.

Hunter said:
Weird, Barkcinnamon is still posting on this forum under different categories. He (or someone) has edited virtually all his posts and replaced them with dots...?

I was not part of this deal and won't make any judgment calls, but I did have a deal with another member of AZB (midwikkid - Dwayne Garfoot) that flat out ripped me off for a cue and still posts on this forum. Talk about something that can piss ya off! My only hope is to someday get to meet this poster in person... ;)

Either he had a cue for sale or wanted a cue. I went and looked up all of his previous posts and they had been edited. I asked him why he did this in one of his threads. I got no reply and did not attempt to make a deal with him. I assumed he was shady because of his behavior.
 
Bark---Response # 1

Yes, we had a transaction:


Transaction Details

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Payment Sent (ID #9Y733727DV2140642)

Original Transaction

Date Type Status Details Amount
Jul. 21, 2007 Payment To J Holmes Completed ... -$300.00 USD

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Business Name:
J Holmes
Email:
hjpockets@aol.com
Payment Sent to:

barkcinnamon@aol.com

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Business Contact Information

Customer Service Email: BarkCinnamon@aol.com
Customer Service Phone: 718-358-6855

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Total Amount:
-$300.00 USD

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Date:
Jul. 21, 2007
Time:
08:52:26 PDT
Status:
Completed

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Subject:
eBay Auction # 190139445598
Note:
Here is payment for Tim's jackets. Ship to:

Tim Simala
c/o: Garry's Auto Repair
930 Freedon Dr
Raleigh, NC 27610

Thanks, Joe

United States
Confirmed

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Funding Type:
PayPal Funds
This transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *J HOLMES".

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Tracking Number:
03052200000025717437
Carrier:
USPS
Order Status:
Shipped (Aug. 4, 2007)
 
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Bark--Response #2

Bark, this is not about me...all I did was send you the money for Tim, however, yes, I am licensed...have been for many years.
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