I've heard lots of whining about the magic rack. I don't care, it gives the same rack for everybody. Personally, I believe that 9-ball in general is a broken game.
Derby 9ball rack mechanics
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I've heard lots of whining about the magic rack. I don't care, it gives the same rack for everybody. Personally, I believe that 9-ball in general is a broken game.
Me too. It should only be played by amateurish players (like me) in leagues/local tournaments.
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Just curious. If you rack the 9 on the spot with the magic rack, is the wing ball still wired?
I agree completely.
I agree. Spending all that time racking balls has turned me off nineball
streams. Using a template rack does not stop players from touching
the balls either. When coupled with slow shooters - I am done spending too much of my time and money watching nothing happen.
Maniac said:
magic rack on the spot. The wing ball is not wired anymore, but with a well struck cut you can make it. This sends the one into the side usually too but that's a double edged sword, who knows what you'll have on the two. To me this is a decent solution... making a ball is not automatic, it takes a little skill, and the one doesn't hang somewhere easy... You have a semi random outcome.
On the other hand, I like what Corey has to say about it. Let the ball be wired and the winner will be whoever controls the one and runs out better. I'd rather a runout contest than a breaking contest.
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Iam with you Brother, i cant stand it no more watching these great players take so much time to get the rack just rite, i been playing pool for over 30years and never once have i ever took more then 10 seconds to rack the balls at any game, i seen Vanover play the best players in the states over a long period of time (70s -90s) and i never seen 1 of them ever do what these players of today do with racking the balls, but that was when players got up and played without all the bullshit that goes on with players today, what ever happen to walking in a strange pool hall and playing their player on what ever pool table he took you to, but then again thats when it was TWO FOUL PUSHOUT everywhere, who ever was in charge of changeing the PUSH OUT RULES should of been toss out of pool for life, bring back the way 9ball was suppose to be played, where all aspects of the game shined!
This is old. It makes me tired.
Oh yes, magic rack, atleased the players will have the same exact rack as their opponet, or if there is a ref, have him rack the balls the best that he can and dont allow either player to approch the racked balls, this would stop all the nonsense with cheating the rack and slowing the game to a crawl!
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This would bring the spot shot back into the 9 ball game.. as it used to be played.
I think the spot shot was taken out to speed up the game for TV. I like the idea.
No it is not.
I run a tour in Texas, we have done this exact thing for 2 years. Never got no complaints, as the rack is tight and the wing ball is not dead.
We have had 1 package of any sort ran in the 2 years and we have a slew of great players that play.
Manny Chau ran a 7 pack. That is the only time a package of anything over 4 has ever been done. Most of the time there is no packages.
9 ball nor 10 ball neither is leaving in our lifetime, so you might as well figure out something that works.
Rack the 9 on the spot and the 2 in the back with the magic rack and you got a tight rack and no dead wing ball and no shape playing on the 2 ball if they play the 1 in the side.
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What about a neutral racker? preferably an attractive female. :grin:
Honestly, I'm not really sure what you're referring to. I believe that the only issue that comes with the magic rack is pattern racking, which can be done no matter what kind of rack is being used.
I would like to see the rules changed where there's a MANDATORY roll out after the break. This would make the game much more skillful and stop any and all the "Usual Suspects".The Rack Illuminati
Thats way too good of a solution, it would fix the issue.
This racking "Wars" or what ever one would want to call it is becoming a joke(or has been a joke), I been watching old matches on youtube recently(well 2 weeks ago) and the players never sweated the rack, they took what was there and made the best of it. Now the world is so technical, we cant get past the rack-how in the world does pool have a chance if we cant get the players to break the balls after 15 minutes of working the rack, or putting the rack on someone(CJ remember that conversation?) brutal.
I respectfully disagree. That solution would be like taking the hole-in-one away from golf, the strike away from bowling, the home run away from baseball, the ace in tennis, the kick-off return for a TD in football and so on. Pool gets ruined by removing the break-and-run-out. There are unintended consequences to making that move.
Maybe, but maybe not. If you have to push out after the break I imagine it won't take nearly as long for these guys to rack 'em.
I know it's suicide to let someone touch the balls AT ALL these days. Enough said.
Yes, the best possible rules are to make the break so that if you make a ball you have the choice of rolling out or making your opponent roll out. One KEY factor is it's Ball in Hand on TWO fouls, so this gives the one rolling out a slight DISADVANTAGE, so the break still means something and you have to get 3 balls past the side.
The break these days is MUCH more than it was in the 90s. I know some "secrets" about the rack
that I swore not to disclose, but I will tell you it's become a huge advantage to know some of the "inside" racking (and breaking) techniques.
I'm a big believer in allowing the game to be the "best it can be," and this break/rack B.S. takes a LOT of the skill out of it. Don't believe me, just ask the top 10 players and see what they say. I know it's suicide to let someone touch the balls AT ALL these days. Enough said.
Yes, the best possible rules are to make the break so that if you make a ball you have the choice of rolling out or making your opponent roll out. One KEY factor is it's Ball in Hand on TWO fouls, so this gives the one rolling out a slight DISADVANTAGE, so the break still means something and you have to get 3 balls past the side.
The break these days is MUCH more than it was in the 90s. I know some "secrets" about the rack
I'm a big believer in allowing the game to be the "best it can be," and this break/rack B.S. takes a LOT of the skill out of it. Don't believe me, just ask the top 10 players and see what they say. I know it's suicide to let someone touch the balls AT ALL these days. Enough said.