Derby City Favortism...

Wybrook said:



First of all, I expected every APA 2 to start twisting around what I was getting at in my original post...

Second, I am far from an amateur and can win the Derby if things go my way.

Third, I have no problem playing against anyone and have no personal vendetta against anyone, but just how long would YOU sit there and wait for an opponent to show up?? I only expected to be treated like anyone else.

Fourth, if I had won the match and JA had not been forfeited, I just as well may post the same thing on AZ.

Its not about the win or loss at all.... its about respect for all players equally.
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First, I'm not in the APA or any league. I can't win the DCC but how many Americans can?

Second, I didn't know you were that strong of a player and was looking to make a payday. I've never heard of you on here as being one of the top pro's in the country so my bad. I have no problem with a top pro forfeiting another if they are late. The rest of the people on here saying they'd forfeit Archer, I question their motive for playing pool. If I play in a big tournament, it's to test my skill against the best not try to finish in the money and get my entry fee back by forfeiting people.

I deleted the rest of my points so I don't disrespect a top player on here. I wish we could hear JA's explanation for being late. It might not have been his fault. Did you ask him why he was late?
 
DoubleD said:
I understand that.

the problem is that using a term that describes people without malice in a malicious way degrades people upon whom that term is applied.

dld
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I don't think he is degrading people at all. I think you are jumping to conclusions and using your friends situation and the fact that they are an APA 2 to group it together.

I think he is speaking the truth. No APA 2 has a chance at the DCC. Wouldn't you agree?
I think that is all he is saying.........
 
Point taken....

DoubleD said:
I understand that.

the problem is that using a term that describes people without malice in a malicious way degrades people upon whom that term is applied.

dld
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Like I said, I have total respect for those who play with {or without } disabilities. They are an inspiration to those who take the time to watch, and learn what heart is all about.
 
This would have never happened if the match was officiated.
The player waiting for the LATE opponent would only have to be told that he wins by forfiet.

Players shouldn't have to chase down officals to inform them of a player being late for a match that has been called.

What other professional sport has a delayed start because of a late particpant?

But, since pool is not like any professional sport, late starts do happen because pool cannot afford Referees or area Officals checking on, at the very least, match start times.

Players have been using this as a MOVE in tournaments for the last 45 years I've been around. Refs would take these moves and declare Unsportsman
like penalties.

How come you can travel thousands of miles and make all those airline connections ON TIME, and miss a match time? Does this indicate that the match wasn't that important to you?

I've no sympathy for someone showing up late for a match.. espcially if they know they are late and still show up.. hoping to catch a break from a weak tournament offical or an opponent that will show pitty.

And they want to be treated as a professional... IMO a professional would have called and forfieted for missing his start time.
 
Since there isn't enough staff to police who is late for matches at a lot of the tournaments the clock should be used to take games from the late player. Then only the player that shows on time needs to keep track and slide a bead over on his/her side for every 5 min or so he's late. This takes care of any favoritisum also. If the late player doesn't like it when they get around to coming to the table he can forfit. Seems simple to me:eek:. Johnnyt
 
td - i heard johnny was rooming with fatboy, let's call him.

hotel clerk - no sir, we don't have any "fatboy" registered here.

td - look under "boy", first name "fat"

hotel clerk - sorry sir

td - well, we tried everything we could.
 
I agree that he should have been forfeit. But to say that the reason you lost was because of the episode and not because your opponent is a champion is a little naive. It sounds like you were crossing your fingers on a forfeit so you didn't have to play. lol
 
No favortism

Sweat this...

Its the first round of the banks.. Match is to be played at like 330 or something.. TD says, "sir, your opponent is going to be late due to car breaking down." Now the opponent is not on the tour, he does not play professionaly, so why did they give him that opportunity?? Well for one the guy waiting on his opponent has more class than to want to win by forfeit. For two, he drove all this way to play.

The guy that was late ended up being a really nice player from Michigan, he apologized for his tardinesss and the match went on.

Be honest with yourself, had you beat JA even after he was 30-40min late, this thread would be non-existent... IMO or rather my hypothesis is YOUR A NIT who wanted to win by forfeit bc JA scared the tar outta you..:grin:
 
cleary said:
Would it be easier if I sent you a list of all the threads Im going to post in so chasing me around is easier?
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Well if you are going to be wrong in every single one of them, feel free.

But as you can see here...

Wybrook said:
Fourth, if I had won the match and JA had not been forfeited, I just as well may post the same thing on AZ.

Its not about the win or loss at all.... its about respect for all players equally.
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...you were wrong and I was RIGHT! LOL

Thanks for the red rep by the way. (i am so devastated, that i think i might have to go get some tissues because i might cry)

Maybe the Dali Lama can give you some pointers on not getting bent out of shape.:eek:
Enlightened, you are not.

Here ya go. Maybe you can learn something. http://www.dalailama.com/
 
Wybrook, the only thing I can find incorrect with your post is the title, TD favoritism is more like it. I highly doubt Greg Sullivan would of supported this type of move. It all falls upon ''that'' person at the control desk making this decision.
 
This year, we used new software at the DCC for giving the players scheduled match times. For the most part, it worked pretty well. We had a few problems with the hotels computer that fed information to the hotel room TVs. Also, we had numerous power failures that finally resulted in losing the lamp in the projector that was putting the match schedules on the wall in the tournament room.

So, we were lenient when it came to forfeits. This had nothing to do with Johnny Archer or any other name professional player. A couple of times throughout the tournament we rescinded a forfeit when we could clearly prove it was caused by the above computer problems. The rest of the time, we tried to give the players not at the table on time the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Sullivan paid the tournament staff to run the tournament for him. He had nothing to do with the operation of the event. It is his desire that everyone is treated the same. That is why he had the tournament software modified to permit us to have scheduled match times.

Now that we have one Derby City under our belt with the new software and we learned that it worked very well, we will be much more strict about forfeits, regardless of who it is. We are able to provide scheduled match times on a scrolling report on the wall in the main tournament room, outside in the concession area, on the TV in the hotel rooms, and on the Derby City website. So, there should be no reason for anyone to not know when they play.

Coming up with a master tournament schedule for the DCC was very complicated. We had to make some educated guesses about the number of players, the percentage of buybacks, and the time per match. From these assumptions, we created a master tournament schedule. Prior to the tournament we were not sure if we could give players scheduled match times and complete the tournaments on time.

I do not have the details of the situation between Johnny Archer and Adam Wheeler. If I accept Adam Wheeler's account of the situation, then Archer could have been rightfully forfeited from the tournament. However, as a player myself, if my opponent is on the clock I would probably go to the tournament desk and verify that my opponents time was up and that I had indeed won by forfeit. Maybe Adam did this, I am not sure of the entire story.

I apologize to Adam Wheeler if he thought he was treated unfairly. It was not our intention to give any player special treatment. So, the fact that he was supposed to play Johnny Archer had no bearing on the situation.


Sincerely,
Paul Smith
Diamond Billiard Products
Senior Tournament Director
 
Paul8ball said:
This year, we used new software at the DCC for giving the players scheduled match times. For the most part, it worked pretty well. We had a few problems with the hotels computer that fed information to the hotel room TVs. Also, we had numerous power failures that finally resulted in losing the lamp in the projector that was putting the match schedules on the wall in the tournament room.

So, we were lenient when it came to forfeits. This had nothing to do with Johnny Archer or any other name professional player. A couple of times throughout the tournament we rescinded a forfeit when we could clearly prove it was caused by the above computer problems. The rest of the time, we tried to give the players not at the table on time the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Sullivan paid the tournament staff to run the tournament for him. He had nothing to do with the operation of the event. It is his desire that everyone is treated the same. That is why he had the tournament software modified to permit us to have scheduled match times.

Now that we have one Derby City under our belt with the new software and we learned that it worked very well, we will be much more strict about forfeits, regardless of who it is. We are able to provide scheduled match times on a scrolling report on the wall in the main tournament room, outside in the concession area, on the TV in the hotel rooms, and on the Derby City website. So, there should be no reason for anyone to not know when they play.

Coming up with a master tournament schedule for the DCC was very complicated. We had to make some educated guesses about the number of players, the percentage of buybacks, and the time per match. From these assumptions, we created a master tournament schedule. Prior to the tournament we were not sure if we could give players scheduled match times and complete the tournaments on time.

I do not have the details of the situation between Johnny Archer and Adam Wheeler. If I accept Adam Wheeler's account of the situation, then Archer could have been rightfully forfeited from the tournament. However, as a player myself, if my opponent is on the clock I would probably go to the tournament desk and verify that my opponents time was up and that I had indeed won by forfeit. Maybe Adam did this, I am not sure of the entire story.

I apologize to Adam Wheeler if he thought he was treated unfairly. It was not our intention to give any player special treatment. So, the fact that he was supposed to play Johnny Archer had no bearing on the situation.


Sincerely,
Paul Smith
Diamond Billiard Products
Senior Tournament Director
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First of all, thank you for your efforts, and for bothering to come on here and clarify things. That is appreciated, I expect, by everyone here.

If you want a reason for JA's being late, you can find it in his roomates posting much earlier in this thread. In short, no one knew to call Fatboy, room was in Fatboys name, JA's phone ringer was off, he overslept.

I don't think it was the software.

A damn shame this stuff has to happen. For all concerned.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Maybe you are giving too much benefit of the doubt.
Make no mistake.
JA took advantage of the fact that he was not forfeited and went on to beat you.

As far as i am concerned, that is the telltale sign that he thinks the rules don't apply to him.

Anyone who doesn't abide by the rules, has no regard for those rules in the first place.
If JA truly felt bad like some people propose, he should have forfeited the match after that amount of time.

But he didn't.:rolleyes:
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My God, he's not the devil just because he beat the hell out of your hero.
 
This is nothing new at DCC. Back in 2006 I had two matches(one pocket&banks) that would have been forfeits if they were not pro or well known. In fact the year that this happened one of the matches in question would have made a difference to who won as over all champion.
 
Paul8ball said:
This year, we used new software at the DCC for giving the players scheduled match times. For the most part, it worked pretty well. We had a few problems with the hotels computer that fed information to the hotel room TVs. Also, we had numerous power failures that finally resulted in losing the lamp in the projector that was putting the match schedules on the wall in the tournament room.

So, we were lenient when it came to forfeits. This had nothing to do with Johnny Archer or any other name professional player. A couple of times throughout the tournament we rescinded a forfeit when we could clearly prove it was caused by the above computer problems. The rest of the time, we tried to give the players not at the table on time the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Sullivan paid the tournament staff to run the tournament for him. He had nothing to do with the operation of the event. It is his desire that everyone is treated the same. That is why he had the tournament software modified to permit us to have scheduled match times.

Now that we have one Derby City under our belt with the new software and we learned that it worked very well, we will be much more strict about forfeits, regardless of who it is. We are able to provide scheduled match times on a scrolling report on the wall in the main tournament room, outside in the concession area, on the TV in the hotel rooms, and on the Derby City website. So, there should be no reason for anyone to not know when they play.

Coming up with a master tournament schedule for the DCC was very complicated. We had to make some educated guesses about the number of players, the percentage of buybacks, and the time per match. From these assumptions, we created a master tournament schedule. Prior to the tournament we were not sure if we could give players scheduled match times and complete the tournaments on time.

I do not have the details of the situation between Johnny Archer and Adam Wheeler. If I accept Adam Wheeler's account of the situation, then Archer could have been rightfully forfeited from the tournament. However, as a player myself, if my opponent is on the clock I would probably go to the tournament desk and verify that my opponents time was up and that I had indeed won by forfeit. Maybe Adam did this, I am not sure of the entire story.

I apologize to Adam Wheeler if he thought he was treated unfairly. It was not our intention to give any player special treatment. So, the fact that he was supposed to play Johnny Archer had no bearing on the situation.


Sincerely,
Paul Smith
Diamond Billiard Products
Senior Tournament Director
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Tap Tap Tap! Hat's off to Paul Smith for "man"ing up and coming on here first of all! He offered an explanation for why this may have happened and then took responsibility for it as well. It takes a man and a good TD to do that. I know that I have made mistakes as a TD as well, and felt very uncomfortable admitting it. None of us are perfect. We try to do the best job we can. By the way, Paul and his staff (Rick, Bonnie and Ken) did a great job running a very complex event this year. :thumbup2:
 
I had to wait 45 minutes for my 1 pocket match, but that was because my opponent was still in the banks and playing a match. That is the only reason someone should be given extra time. I know and like Adam, he is a good guy. He did not come to the Derby to play the stars, he came to win some prize money. He is very capable of going deep in this tourny, it is all about the draws. The TD should have forfeited the match and gave it to Adam. This gives the Derby a black eye IMO, will I stop going to the Derby, no way, I have been to 11 of them and this will not change. Tom
 
tryhonesty07 said:
I agree that he should have been forfeit. But to say that the reason you lost was because of the episode and not because your opponent is a champion is a little naive. It sounds like you were crossing your fingers on a forfeit so you didn't have to play. lol
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I didn't hear that in anything Wheeler posted thus far.

I do hear him say he lost the match because his opponent showed up well past the cutoff time and without stated penalty.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
I agree that he should have been forfeit. But to say that the reason you lost was because of the episode and not because your opponent is a champion is a little naive. It sounds like you were crossing your fingers on a forfeit so you didn't have to play. lol
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I actually said it may have attributed..... I also stated that I missed a 1 ball and I missed a kick and had 2 dry breaks.

The mental game is huge in pool. That's why other players resort to sharking techniques when they are trying to win.

I understand that you don't relate to what I am expressing because you have never been in my shoes and will probably never be there.

Thanks for your biased opinion.
 
BankPoolChicka said:
Sweat this... Be honest with yourself, had you beat JA even after he was 30-40min late, this thread would be non-existent... IMO or rather my hypothesis is YOUR A NIT who wanted to win by forfeit bc JA scared the tar outta you..:grin:
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Sweat this..... you apparently cannot play pool and you have poor reading comprehension.

How come I end up defending myself every time I post something on this forum?
 
Wybrook said:
Sweat this..... you apparently cannot play pool and you have poor reading comprehension.

How come I end up defending myself every time I post something on this forum?
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I understand. It seems I'm being attacked from every direction here. I'm real close to getting out of here.
 
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