Did anyone hear Jayson Commenting about doing deals with SVB?

sjm said:
Savers are a fact of life. Nonetheless, I think they should stay under the radar. Further, anyone who thinks players try as hard when less or no money is on the line is kidding themselves. If I have a saver with my friend in which we'll split the total moneys we win in a tournament, if we should happen to meet in the semis, why wouldn't I dump if I consider my friend a stronger player than I am?

Savers create situations that are best avoided and the less said about them the better.
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Nice post.

Happens all the time in tournaments, exhibition matches, and even some gambling matches. It will continue to happen as long as pool players are struggling to survive. There simply is not enough money, and when it gets down to the end they realize they need all the dough they can get to get them by til the next score is made.

Even the mighty SVB is not above them. He knows anything can happen in one set.
 
sjm said:
Savers are a fact of life. Nonetheless, I think they should stay under the radar. Further, anyone who thinks players try as hard when less or no money is on the line is kidding themselves. If I have a saver with my friend in which we'll split the total moneys we win in a tournament, if we should happen to meet in the semis, why wouldn't I dump if I consider my friend a stronger player than I am?

Savers create situations that are best avoided and the less said about them the better.
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"Why wouldn't I dump"? Why would you? Are you that eager to get to bed?
If he's the stronger player, then it would feel pretty good to beat him.
In fact that feeling might bring you more happiness than the money.

It's easy to talk about "who cares if I lose and throw it" if you're talking local bar tournaments
and you're just another unknown whether you win or lose.

But pros hate to lose, it's part of their psychological makeup. They have huge egos and a name to protect.
Tell me, if shane makes a deal for the US Open 9b, because the money gap is like 20,000,
you think he doesn't play hard? He's ok if he blows his shot at a 3rd trophy, which only 2 others have pulled off since it began?
 
CreeDo said:
"Why wouldn't I dump"? Why would you? Are you that eager to get to bed?
If he's the stronger player, then it would feel pretty good to beat him.
In fact that feeling might bring you more happiness than the money.

It's easy to talk about "who cares if I lose and throw it" if you're talking local bar tournaments
and you're just another unknown whether you win or lose.

But pros hate to lose, it's part of their psychological makeup. They have huge egos and a name to protect.
Tell me, if shane makes a deal for the US Open 9b, because the money gap is like 20,000,
you think he doesn't play hard? He's ok if he blows his shot at a 3rd trophy, which only 2 others have pulled off since it began?
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it:s simple. If I am playing against my road partner and he is a stronger player it would be stupid for me to beat him and give us less chance to make more money.

Do i like deals NO.

Is it shitty for the guy who bought the losing player in the calcutta YES.

This is why I am VERY selective in who I may buy in a calcutta.
 
spanky79 said:
it:s simple. If I am playing against my road partner and he is a stronger player it would be stupid for me to beat him and give us less chance to make more money.
Do i like deals NO.
Is it shitty for the guy who bought the losing player in the calcutta YES.
This is why I am VERY selective in who I may buy in a calcutta.
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You're in a totally different time zone from the rest of the conversation.

This thread's about two people in a tournament doing a split in tournament play.
That's got nothing to do with stalling in order to hustle people.
Shane and Jayson are not "road partners".
Nobody is begging to gamble with these guys based on their tournament performance.

And the calcutta is completely unaffected unless one player literally throws it by just playing halfassed.
Some people think that's automatically gonna happen just because they agreed to split.
But IMO those people are wrong and don't understand the mindset of guys like Shane and Jayson.
They care too much to embarrass themselves in front of all the sweaters and other pros on the live stream.

It's not like if Shane hits balls casually against Shaw and loses,
I'll say "wow, I thought that 2x US Open champion was a good player but
Shaw wrecked him! I think I'll challenge him to some even 10 ball tomorrow night!"
 
uwate said:
Well thats true M. I hadnt considered that.
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i dont know if a calcutta was involved or not but how would you feel if you had player a for $1400 in a calcutta and player b had himself for $400 and they was splitting finals do you like your spot then? ...thats a whole diffrent can of worms...
 
Diamond69 said:
Interesting.

Savers are everywhere. But I don't think they should be discussed on the stream.
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Savers, that a polite wording.
People/players wonder what's wrong with pool!!!
You can put make-up and a dress on a pig but it's still a pig.
 
I hate savers, chops whatever you want to call them.

They do happen though for all the bullshit reasons listed ad nauseam over the years. Its just more short sighted quick money thinking that screws the game and players long term.

If I ever catch anyone doing one in a TAR match they will be barred forever and I will do my best to tell as many people as possible the two guys who did it are not to be trusted.

I have always told guys if I found out about any savers they were done and if their was any business they were done and would have a very angry man to deal with.I have no patience for that crap.

It would surprise me if Shane seriously offered to do a saver with Shaw but anything is possible. If his result was tied to Earl I could certainly see him trying to find a way to make sure he got paid if his partner went nuts. I know of many occasions where Shane was approached with savers and turned them down when he was probably "supposed" to take them. He has had more than a few players very pissed at him over this. Its a simple thing. Shane likes to get all the money when he wins. That said I would wager few Americans have reached the top without doing savers at some point. In the case of being tied to Earl for a payday....that would be a real tough spot to be in.

The "challenge" matches at Steinway have always been very loose with how they pay the money and what is actually paid vs. what is promoted. These types of things hurt my business because people who do not know any better think they are the same thing. Although it looks like its all a bunch of noise over nothing now since its not even going to happen.
 
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Savers are good for the player who feels they are the underdog.

Savers are not good for the spectators.

Savers are not good for the fans.

Savers are not good for the calcutta participants.

Savers are not good for pool's image.

Savers are not good for promoters.

Savers are not good for sponsors.




Its amazing how people rationalize shit like this as being not a big deal.
 
In promoted pool match, I believe there should be no savers. You have fans paying for a stream and want to see the players at their best, under the pressure that is there for a winner taking a larger share of the purse. .

For a tournament, I am not against savers. I am against players doing calculations on who went for what in the calcutta and figuring out how to screw a pool fan/supporter by having a pre determined winner to their match. I am also against, when it mattered, one player letting his friend win a match in a tournament so he garnered more Mosconi Cup points.

For example, and maybe I misunderstood, didn't Joey and Chip go for one single bid in the calcutta in the big New Orleans tourney. Isn't that because they are best friends, travel together and generally known they split things equally. I am sure - let me rephrase that, I know there are other corporations of players as well, especially when they are sharing rooms, rides, etc.
 
I don't care about the split its the anti climax of a final not played.. It would be like watching everyone fight their way to the fa cup final and the two teams saying "lets have a penalty shoot out for the title"
 
MahnaMahna said:
Savers are good for the player who feels they are the underdog.

Savers are not good for the spectators.

Savers are not good for the fans.

Savers are not good for the calcutta participants.

Savers are not good for pool's image.

Savers are not good for promoters.

Savers are not good for sponsors.




Its amazing how people rationalize shit like this as being not a big deal.
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This post spells it out in no BS terms and I agree. Good post. I don't care that it has been done forever...fn stop it. Johnnyt
 
watchez said:
For example, and maybe I misunderstood, didn't Joey and Chip go for one single bid in the calcutta in the big New Orleans tourney. Isn't that because they are best friends, travel together and generally known they split things equally. I am sure - let me rephrase that, I know there are other corporations of players as well, especially when they are sharing rooms, rides, etc.
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It was a few years back at the big barbox tournement @ White diamonds..with the insane calcutta's....Joey & chips stakehorse had all of chip & a friend of mine from Houma had Joey & they had all of chip & half of Joey..They played each other in losers bracket close to the money & it was a joke really..Joey never tried to make a ball..Chip wound up double dipping the hotseat guy...both went for a couple thousand in calcutta so the Houma guy got the shaft for sure...Now Chris auctions them off as a pair to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
MahnaMahna said:
Savers are good for the player who feels they are the underdog.

Savers are not good for the spectators.

Savers are not good for the fans.

Savers are not good for the calcutta participants.

Savers are not good for pool's image.

Savers are not good for promoters.

Savers are not good for sponsors.




Its amazing how people rationalize shit like this as being not a big deal.
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hear hear.....
 
Man, I wish some of you posters knew something...about anything:eek: if Shaw and Shane DID want to split money, who in the hell gives ANY of you the right to even care, there's no money to be made or lost at the betting cages on what EVER they decide to do, and even if that outcome DID change what ever you might have side bet with your buddy(s)...that's your own damn fault for betting on the side in the first place....see, in that situation you're no better than anyone else that would make some extra side pocket money off the players...and not think twice about throwing your favorite player a bone because you just won some side bet action on him! When I was playing all the time, my rules were simple...if your going to bet on me...I want to know it first, second, I want a cut...if either rules don't happen, I might just start picking which games I lose...without YOU knowing first;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Man, I wish some of you posters knew something...about anything:eek: if Shaw and Shane DID want to split money, who in the hell gives ANY of you the right to even care, there's no money to be made or lost at the betting cages on what EVER they decide to do, and even if that outcome DID change what ever you might have side bet with your buddy(s)...that's your own damn fault for betting on the side in the first place....see, in that situation you're no better than anyone else that would make some extra side pocket money off the players...and not think twice about throwing your favorite player a bone because you just won some side bet action on him! When I was playing all the time, my rules were simple...if your going to bet on me...I want to know it first, second, I want a cut...if either rules don't happen, I might just start picking which games I lose...without YOU knowing first;)
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Talk about not knowing something...you are what's wrong with pool. What the hell are you on. You put furniture together for a living and your opinion about pro pool shows it. Johnnyt
 
realkingcobra said:
Man, I wish some of you posters knew something...about anything:eek: if Shaw and Shane DID want to split money, who in the hell gives ANY of you the right to even care, there's no money to be made or lost at the betting cages on what EVER they decide to do, and even if that outcome DID change what ever you might have side bet with your buddy(s)...that's your own damn fault for betting on the side in the first place....see, in that situation you're no better than anyone else that would make some extra side pocket money off the players...and not think twice about throwing your favorite player a bone because you just won some side bet action on him! When I was playing all the time, my rules were simple...if your going to bet on me...I want to know it first, second, I want a cut...if either rules don't happen, I might just start picking which games I lose...without YOU knowing first;)
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on here. Good job.
 
realkingcobra said:
Man, I wish some of you posters knew something...about anything:eek: if Shaw and Shane DID want to split money, who in the hell gives ANY of you the right to even care, there's no money to be made or lost at the betting cages on what EVER they decide to do, and even if that outcome DID change what ever you might have side bet with your buddy(s)...that's your own damn fault for betting on the side in the first place....see, in that situation you're no better than anyone else that would make some extra side pocket money off the players...and not think twice about throwing your favorite player a bone because you just won some side bet action on him! When I was playing all the time, my rules were simple...if your going to bet on me...I want to know it first, second, I want a cut...if either rules don't happen, I might just start picking which games I lose...without YOU knowing first;)
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As much (sad) truth may be in your post, you IMO should expect it to not be received well in a public forum - not that you care what public perception is of you, you are your own man. But, it's too many of pool's hidden secrets Glen.

Pool on deeper levels, has some very disturbing practices it tries to engrain upon us over the years. The more you see in pool, the more you choose which way it pulls you.
 
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