Did Barry bring the Cash into the arena???

[mlalum]

If you say your going to do something then do it!!!


I already knew before I made this thread whats going on, SAME OLD SHIT!!!


I was just hopeing I had bad intellegence, but I didnt. And pool goes on,,,


I couldnt show my face i'd be so embarassed if I made a promis and couldnt make it good. I post up $5,000 everyyear at the derby for the Fatboy Challenge, I havent made $$ in 28 months, I dont want to post it up this year but I gave my word to the pool world I would an I am. Just wait and see when I start making $$$ again what i'm gonna do. IDC if I blow a mil/yr on pool when i'm making the right $$$.

I can't count the thousands of times Fatboy that you've brought up the 5k or 10K you give to the DCC challenge on this forum. Really thousands at least. Why is that amount of money anything but tip money to an often celebrated (on this forum) multi-millionaire. I'd be embarrassed to say i put that little in if i owned the house and fleet of luxury cars that get repeatedly brought up on AZ. If you want to brag about something sell one of those cars and give the proceeds to the DCC.

 

[Mowem down]

yes i did from 93-96 i scammed about $600,000 which I paid taxes on, I been square since 96.

do i have to go through this all again....geez. I never went to jail, kept all my assetts, paid all my taxes, etc. I know a guy who got 30 years fed time for a biz that looked similar in nature to what i was doing for the last 12 years. We closed the biz b/c there was no profit left, we DIDNOT get closed down.

So I was a con-artist for 3 years and change 17 years ago, I still know how to scam people just like you-you wouldnt know it. the most vigilent people are the easiest targets. But I cant fade the sentences these days it was 24 months fed time back in the day now its 10 years and i'm alot older, also I feel ashmed for what I did, but people like you make me want to go do it again. Like I said its your type that fall prey to the con-man. You go to church much?

I been square since summer of 96 and that aint changing, If it makes you feel better my net worth is down over $80,000,000 now. I havent had a month of positive cash flow in 28 months. I aint going back to scamming no matter how bad it gets. My concence wont let me, but people who keep throwing it in my face need to do so in person. A few people might recogize me at a tournemnt, so come bring you jealouse hollyer than thou ass right up to my face and say something. I wont punch you cause you would claim some sort of injury and sue me for millions, a phony lawsuit, which is no worse than anything I ever did-funny how that works.

Here we go its the poor fatboy song... " Play it again Sam " Is IT your concence or the fact you cant sweat the time hard to tell when you flip flop in one paragraph.. Anyway a manly guy like you would do just fine in the joint just pack your Ky....

As for this thread Are you clowns really talking s**t about Barry B. running the Us open... Maybe he did say that and maybe it didnt work out BIG FUC*ING DEAL did the tournament go off AGAIN, is everybody going to get paid, did any of you do a damn thing to help out ever.... Oh yea FAT mouth is going to do somthing some day hes only got 80,000,000 now thats not enough to get somthing started.... Shut the hell up, get off your ass and do somthing BETTER then what Barrys doing, then after half as many years as hes put in you can tell him what a piece of work he is for not coming through on A STATMENT....

 

[hangemhigh]

I love those pretty girls prancing around in stilettos , 1 piece swimsuits and fishnet stockings, would have been nice to see them at the Open as advertised. 75K, not so much.

 

[Bigjohn]

i just got word Barry may have paid everyone off, if so I owe him a appology.


i will post more as I know more-later on this week. I'm gonna be on this like white on rice.

I never heard the scam artist story before...interesting. How much of that 80 Mil belongs to the inocent people you scammed?? I'm sure Barry could care less about your apology or your white on rice.

 

[MahnaMahna]

yes i did from 93-96 i scammed about $600,000 which I paid taxes on, I been square since 96.

do i have to go through this all again....geez. I never went to jail, kept all my assetts, paid all my taxes, etc. I know a guy who got 30 years fed time for a biz that looked similar in nature to what i was doing for the last 12 years. We closed the biz b/c there was no profit left, we DIDNOT get closed down.

So I was a con-artist for 3 years and change 17 years ago, I still know how to scam people just like you-you wouldnt know it. the most vigilent people are the easiest targets. But I cant fade the sentences these days it was 24 months fed time back in the day now its 10 years and i'm alot older, also I feel ashmed for what I did, but people like you make me want to go do it again. Like I said its your type that fall prey to the con-man. You go to church much?

I been square since summer of 96 and that aint changing, If it makes you feel better my net worth is down over $80,000,000 now. I havent had a month of positive cash flow in 28 months. I aint going back to scamming no matter how bad it gets. My concence wont let me, but people who keep throwing it in my face need to do so in person. A few people might recogize me at a tournemnt, so come bring you jealouse hollyer than thou ass right up to my face and say something. I wont punch you cause you would claim some sort of injury and sue me for millions, a phony lawsuit, which is no worse than anything I ever did-funny how that works.

If you think this post is going to make anyone feel better about you and what you do for pool, you failed miserably.

 

[troy kirkendoll]

You can run your rough order of magnitude (aka Swinging Wild Ass Guess) numbers until you are blue in the face and I can guarantee you Barry is not getting rich from the U.S. Open. I have never been to Chesapeake and don't know Barry from Barney the Dinosaur, but he is the only reason that the U.S. Open is the longest running championship in the pool world.

It seems like we always have someone surmising after any big event how much the organizers are pocketing and how so-and-so could just do it and provide so much more for the players. I think the pool world is extremely fortunate that Barry, Alan Hopkins, Greg Sullivan, and Mark Griffin are all committed to the betterment of the game and provide great vehicles for players and fan to enjoy large field and exposition style events several times during the calendar year.

Sorry to challenge your assumptions and I am not knocking your thoughts just trying to add a little reality to the situation. I can guarantee you that if we had to rely on players to organize a large event it would more than likely not happen and when one did happen it would not have longer term staying potential.

-don

well spoken mr. coats. i couldnt agree more

 

[Fatboy]

It's just funny how quick some of you are to condemn someone without any facts while you pat yourself on the back for being man of the year.

look man I got more connections in pool and privilaged information than you can imagine. you dont know shit about me or who I know and what I'm told in trust and because I dont breech that trust I hear it all. so STFU

 

[Fatboy]

If you think this post is going to make anyone feel better about you and what you do for pool, you failed miserably.

I dont care what people think of me, my actions will solve that problem. And whats wrong with telling the truth??? should I lie and say I never did anything bad?

 

[bradsh98]

I think most of you guys are missing the point. Barry Behrman has a history of not paying the players immediately after the tournament. A few months back, he made a public statement that all players would be paid immediately and that $75k in cash would be on display. Typically, when someone makes a public statement and doesn't follow through on it, it generally damages that person's credibility. Barry has kept the U.S. Open alive for many years, but his credibility has always been in question. In his afore-mentioned public statements, he acknowledged his damaged credibility and informed everyone that things would be different. It was in these statements that he made promises for this year's Open that he apparently did not keep. I believe this is what Fatboy was trying to point out. Although Barry did apparently pay all the players on time, he did not have the cash on display with the armed guards, as he had previously claimed. Of course, I don't think it was necessary to have the cash on display, and I certainly don't think it would have been worth it to pay armed guards to watch over it... But, Barry did make a claim, so that money should have been there. Since it wasn't, it just becomes another hit to Barry's suffering credibility. THAT was Fatboy's point. Unfortunately, the majority of you posters decided to just attack Fatboy. So maybe Fatboy isn't the most credible person in the world either, but so what? He raised a valid question, in an attempt to prove a point (that being that Barry Behrman hasn't changed) and the discussion should be about Barry and whether or not everyone should believe the claims that he made in the public statement issued a few months back. The discussion should NOT be about Fatboy and the decisions that he's made throughout his life. So, let's get back on topic.

 

[Mr Hoppe]

You can run your rough order of magnitude (aka Swinging Wild Ass Guess) numbers until you are blue in the face and I can guarantee you Barry is not getting rich from the U.S. Open. I have never been to Chesapeake and don't know Barry from Barney the Dinosaur, but he is the only reason that the U.S. Open is the longest running championship in the pool world.

It seems like we always have someone surmising after any big event how much the organizers are pocketing and how so-and-so could just do it and provide so much more for the players. I think the pool world is extremely fortunate that Barry, Alan Hopkins, Greg Sullivan, and Mark Griffin are all committed to the betterment of the game and provide great vehicles for players and fan to enjoy large field and exposition style events several times during the calendar year.

Sorry to challenge your assumptions and I am not knocking your thoughts just trying to add a little reality to the situation. I can guarantee you that if we had to rely on players to organize a large event it would more than likely not happen and when one did happen it would not have longer term staying potential.

-don

TAP TAP TAP Justnum, if you think you can do it better, then quit talking about it and do it. Otherwise, stop stirring the pot. I hope Barry made lots of money so that he and others continue to put on these great events. If you want to see them continue, then I suggest you contribute to them rather than critisize them.

 

[realkingcobra]

If you think this post is going to make anyone feel better about you and what you do for pool, you failed miserably.

I think...you missed the point of the thread..what fatboy has done or hasn't done in the past...has nothing to do with the statement made by someone else...as to what THEY said they'd do...and the right to question that statement

Glen

 

[allen_jr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by justnum
I want to know what the guy pulled in on door fees. I estimated 6 stadium style seating areas holding 100 a piece. Two session fee of $10 min for the last day alone seemed to have at least 300 in attendance that paid some type of fee. 600 for tickets, $6000 for entrance plus food. On the last day alone I think the director covered 40% of expenses for tournament. That is a low end estimate.

256 players, $500 entrance fee that is $128,000 from players alone that is done by multiplying 256 times 500. The director's capital is $52,000, 180,000 total paymout minus the 128000 from players.

If players just rented an entire room, they wouldn't have arena expenses, ref expenses or director expenses. Players could put together a comparable event with similar payouts. IMO the staff working the event do not appear to be taken care of well.

One popcorn lady said the heat cannot be turned on because the balls must be a certain temp. I have seen balls act funny when humidity is present. But not in a controlled environment. It seemed like some drunk wanted to walk into a room to cool off.

Go ahead and price out that bleacher set up, advertising, office staff, tournament directors and about a hundred other expenses and then run your numbers again.

Posts like this one remind me of the player who swore Diamond kept 200 bar tables in storage year around in Vegas and only used them once a year for the May BCAPL event.

Wait a minute, Diamond has to move those tables around all year? I thought they were kept in a back room at the Riv? :grin:

I think justnum should just start hosting events around the country, he seems to have a pretty good formula and a solid grasp on how easy it is to rake in big profits producing these events...

I'm surprised more people haven't caught onto how easy it is and started more events, we could have a huge tour and tons of rich players by now...

:wink:

 

[greyghost]

Hold the phone am I hearing this right from these weeners?

I think...you missed the point of the thread..what fatboy has done or hasn't done in the past...has nothing to do with the statement made by someone else...as to what THEY said they'd do...and the right to question that statement

Glen

Thats dam right Glen.....Eric asked if Barry came out with 75K cash.....apparantly he did not, that means he's not a man of his word.

Its a valid question and reason to be upset regardless if everyone got paid.

When you say something you make it happen, but people don't really know what that means anymore.

And all you cocksuckers get off Erics nuts, guy does good things and always has good things to say....not one of you that knocked him has done a F*king thing to help the sport. Most of you don't even do sh*t on this very site that your always on, just spend time here drumming up trouble and trash talking.

He made a valid point....HE POSTS THE $$ for the challenge.....Barry said he would and it was hog wash.

Some one said all that matters is that the players got paid......BS!

You make a plan and you stick to the plan.....or your a joke.

Thats why things get F*kd up, b/c people only get it done part of the way....and thats supposed to be ok?

Eric.....don't worry about the BS these green horns are trying to start, the people that know you know where your heart is and what your all about....takes a man with a pair of balls to come out on the air and let out your personal history, takes a real ***** to bring it up something 17yrs old about you to try and gaff you, and for no good reason for that matter.

bunch of clowns,
-Grey Ghost-

 

[MahnaMahna]

I dont care what people think of me, my actions will solve that problem. And whats wrong with telling the truth??? should I lie and say I never did anything bad?

*sigh* OK, great.

You don't care what people think about you. How wonderful for you. I am so glad you donate money to get the challenge going at the DCC. Guess you are not doing it for the game, you are doing it to show everyone how rich you are. Guess when you played your little rep game on here for years, you didn't care what anyone thinks, you just wanted to win.

Freaking ridiculous, you don't care what anyone thinks my ass. I doubt anyone on here mentions their net worth, how much money they have made, how much money they have lost, how many pro-players they are friends with, how much expensive equipment they have purchased, etc. more than you.

But I digress. This thread was about Barry's promise and then your response to someone calling you a scammer.

As far as the money, I guess it is kinda lame that the cash wasn't carted into the arena as Barry said. But if everyone got paid, who gives a sh*t? I know you have already sort of apologized, but whatever.

Then someone calls you a scammer and you drop the hammer on them. I understand, it upsets you. But for crying out loud, you start a thread with (I think) the intent of doing something good for the game. A few pages later you are saying that people who go to church are being scammed and calling them out to say sh*t to you in person so you can not punch them in the face so they can not sue you.

I hope your actions do solve the problem. Like it or not, you have become a face of the sport. A challenge in a major tournament is named after and backed by you. You have been mentioned in pool publications. You say in your signature "It's cool to support pool". Saying, even in a joking manner, that you are going to go back to your old ways of ripping people off is not helpful.

Anyways, gotta get back to another thread about another so called representative of our sport supposedly getting knocked out by a person who is involved in promoting the game through streaming. I love this soap opera of a sport!

 

[Fatboy]

I never heard the scam artist story before...interesting. How much of that 80 Mil belongs to the inocent people you scammed?? I'm sure Barry could care less about your apology or your white on rice.

none of the 80 mil, i lost it in realestate. if you could read i said i scammed 600K-can you read?

and how could a person scam 80mil and not go to jail,

how many years did you go to school?

i havent made $$$ in 28 months, Glen will verify-if i'm such a career criminial why then havent I made $$ in 28 months? and am sinking? huh?

thats what I thought.

 

[cleary]

If it makes you feel better my net worth is down over $80,000,000 now. I havent had a month of positive cash flow in 28 months. I aint going back to scamming no matter how bad it gets.

I understand the point of this thread and personal attacks against you are not called for. I don't care how you made your money or even know what kind of guy you are, but posting trash like this won't make anyone feel sorry for you and only negatively effect peoples opinion of you.

 

[Eieio59]

Wait a minute, Diamond has to move those tables around all year? I thought they were kept in a back room at the Riv? :grin:

I think justnum should just start hosting events around the country, he seems to have a pretty good formula and a solid grasp on how easy it is to rake in big profits producing these events...

I'm surprised more people haven't caught onto how easy it is and started more events, we could have a huge tour and tons of rich players by now...

:wink:

Oh.... yes. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am always so totally amazed that people can sit at their computer and, in 5 minutes, come up with accurate figures to account for every aspect of hosting a tournament like this. The insight they must have......

 

[Fatboy]

Oh.... yes. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am always so totally amazed that people can sit at their computer and, in 5 minutes, come up with accurate figures to account for every aspect of hosting a tournament like this. The insight they must have......

yeah they sure are great biz men,

I have one question for them(not all of them but most of them)-If they are so smart why arnt they rich? All the richer people than I was I knew were a lot smarter than me and I'm the first to admit it, i'm far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. most people cant admit their weaknesses. It takes a strong man to admit he is weak,

 

[Fatboy]

*sigh* OK, great.

You don't care what people think about you. How wonderful for you. I am so glad you donate money to get the challenge going at the DCC. Guess you are not doing it for the game, you are doing it to show everyone how rich you are. Guess when you played your little rep game on here for years, you didn't care what anyone thinks, you just wanted to win.

Freaking ridiculous, you don't care what anyone thinks my ass. I doubt anyone on here mentions their net worth, how much money they have made, how much money they have lost, how many pro-players they are friends with, how much expensive equipment they have purchased, etc. more than you.

But I digress. This thread was about Barry's promise and then your response to someone calling you a scammer.

As far as the money, I guess it is kinda lame that the cash wasn't carted into the arena as Barry said. But if everyone got paid, who gives a sh*t? I know you have already sort of apologized, but whatever.

Then someone calls you a scammer and you drop the hammer on them. I understand, it upsets you. But for crying out loud, you start a thread with (I think) the intent of doing something good for the game. A few pages later you are saying that people who go to church are being scammed and calling them out to say sh*t to you in person so you can not punch them in the face so they can not sue you.

I hope your actions do solve the problem. Like it or not, you have become a face of the sport. A challenge in a major tournament is named after and backed by you. You have been mentioned in pool publications. You say in your signature "It's cool to support pool". Saying, even in a joking manner, that you are going to go back to your old ways of ripping people off is not helpful.

Anyways, gotta get back to another thread about another so called representative of our sport supposedly getting knocked out by a person who is involved in promoting the game through streaming. I love this soap opera of a sport!

most people here dont have a net worth, they livepaycheck to paycheck,

I really do care if everyone got paid, and I hope Barry kept his word, he is a great assett to pool and I didnt want to see him shit all over himself.

I wont know for a while if they got paid yet or not. Most likely they did is what I have been told so I came back to this thread and attempted to make ammends and appologie-then some j-off starts digging up m ypast from 17 years ago, nothing to do with the OP. the jealous have not type I fade all the time, it gets irratating after a while awalys having my past thrown in my face, for what reason? so they can feel better because they have less at my expence. And you wonder why pool sucks-its the jealous havenot negative assholes that ruin it. Truth be told I wish I didnt like pool, when i was in the gym it was all positive 180degrees from the pool player attitude.

 

[realkingcobra]

I don't get it...last year all of you were talking about what kind of a person Barry was...not paying the pool players on time...and having done that before....and to get some respect back...he made some promises for this years US Open...some of which...that HE made to gain face...he fell through on...and as important as some of the promises were...it didn't happen....bottom line!

The fatboy comes on here and questions it...and some of you just HAVE to turn this thread into a "Fatboy" thread....yet if ANYONE else raised the question...you'd ALL be like sheep....playing follow the leader..."yeah, that's right...he didn't post the money like he said he'd promise to do...he's not a man of his word...how do we know if he even had it before hand....or did he come up with it at the last moment"...and so on...BUT...because fatboy raised the question...then most of you...and you all know who you are...jump on the band wagon...and try bashing fatboy...what a bunch of hypocrites:angry:

As quoted in the bible..."let those without sin...cast the first stone"...in other words....ALL of you who are off subject...are full of shit...and need to get on track...if you ever expect to get this sport straightened out...so that when a promoter says they're going to do something...then by GOD they do it...if they ever expect to get ANY where in this business...or your ALL nothing but a bunch of sheep:angry:

Glen