Do Chinese Made Pool Products Also Contain Lead?

watchez said:
To the person that pointed out that you are probably safe with a lead based pool cue, I wouldn't be so sure. Many people sweat when they play pool on the palms of their hands. This could be a big source of lead being transported into your body from these Chinese cues.:eek:
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If there is any lead, the source is the particular pigments used in some colors of paint, primarily lead chromate yellow and lead carbonate white pigments.

If paints containing high levels of these pigments are on the cues(or any other products) and are then oversprayed with clear lacquer, the lacquer prevents any potential lead transfer.

If you miss a shot, get mad and start chewing on the painted area of the cue and continue this for about ten years you might have a problem.

If you have any original oil paintings, particulary old ones, in your home they almost surely have lead based paint on them which could be dusting in the air. Lead carbonate white pigment has been the choice of artists for centuries.

On a lighter note, if you have pictures of dogs playing poker or dogs shooting pool, I think they are all certified as OK. :rolleyes:
 
watchez said:
Speaking of sensationalism---thanks for your reply JB. Have you been hanging out at the Jimbo-Land forum again. I think you have a bad case & are in need of some serious treatment.

Sounds like I might have been wrong to think that you didn't embelish your statements. I thought it a bit odd that wood used for pool cues would be shipped all the way to China.
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If you would like to put your money where your mouth is I will be glad to submit proof to a neutral party to prove the validity of my claims.

Pick a law firm in St Louis and I will provide them with the documentation. You have to bet $10,000 against my claims. I will put the money in escrow at the the law firm's bank if you do the same.

The loser pays all fees in addition to the stake.

The law firm will be charged with proving the validity of my provided documents. If found to be valid then you will agree to come on this forum and all others and recant your unfounded conjectures and after that never post on another pool forum again. If found to be invalid then I will come on all pool forums and announce that you were right and then I will retire from the billiard industry in shame and dishonor.

I will put another $5000 in a Certificate of Deposit and you do the same. If either of us violates our agreement that the loser never posts again then they forfeit the stake. Ten years ought to be close enough to forever.

Let's not argue about it - let's just PROVE it and have the BALLS to back up our claims with CASH.

And yes, my response was over the top, as silly as the aspersions you cast.
 
John Barton said:
If you would like to put your money where your mouth is I will be glad to submit proof to a neutral party to prove the validity of my claims.

Pick a law firm in St Louis and I will provide them with the documentation. You have to bet $10,000 against my claims. I will put the money in escrow at the the law firm's bank if you do the same.

The loser pays all fees in addition to the stake.

The law firm will be charged with proving the validity of my provided documents. If found to be valid then you will agree to come on this forum and all others and recant your unfounded conjectures and after that never post on another pool forum again. If found to be invalid then I will come on all pool forums and announce that you were right and then I will retire from the billiard industry in shame and dishonor.

I will put another $5000 in a Certificate of Deposit and you do the same. If either of us violates our agreement that the loser never posts again then they forfeit the stake. Ten years ought to be close enough to forever.

Let's not argue about it - let's just PROVE it and have the BALLS to back up our claims with CASH.

And yes, my response was over the top, as silly as the aspersions you cast.
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First, I am broke. If I had 10,000 cash I could take the next 3 years off work. Sorry I am not rich & powerful like you. It is an honor to be on the same forum as you.

Second, I don't know wtf you are talking about. All I asked, John, was some simple questions on the source of Chinese made pool products, cues, cases, etc. or the wood of Chinese cues & whether or not they possibly could contain lead after they are a finished product. I think I have a valid concern with the craziness lately over these Chinese lead toys. Seems like some posters backed up this idea that I had with talk of chalk made in China containing lead.

I am not a scientist, an attorney, a member of the Consumer Product Safety Commision, a cuemaker, a distributor of wood, expert on the use of lead in products, a Fury Cues puveyor and user, designer of products for Sterling Gaming, distributor of billiard cues and accessories,
Chinese, or know anyone that is Chinese so I figured it best to come on this forum & gain some knowledge for my concern. I wasn't arguing, as you attempt to imply, I am just seeking knowledge on a possible risk that is out there for lead in Chinese made products. If there is the possibility of lead in any USA made product or cue, please let us all know so we can be as equally careful with our health.
 
GADawg said:
Engineer/Scientist with pigment industry background. You?
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Collector of carts @ the local grocery store. I am proud that I do a good job.

Finally an expert. Not sure what an Engineer/Scientist does but glad to see it. Maybe you build really tall beakers and test tubes. So explain the lead in the bracelet & why someone would think it is harmful. Is the lead in the metal or the design?

Also, if there is a house that is found to have lead paint in it--the owner could simply over spray lacquer over the infected area & feel that his family is safe as long as he plans on living there for a time frame of less than 10 years, as you described? :eek:
 
I thought as much. Well, you could have made 10 dimes. I am sure that you could have found some money under the mattress in your Neo Nazi bunker.
 
watchez said:
The Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled more than 300,000 Chinese made toys & other children's products Wednesday because of lead paint. Included :250,000 SpongeBob SquarePants address books & journals; 70,000 Thomas & Friends and Curious George tops and pails; 7,900 Divine Inspiration bracelets' and 14,000 Toby & Me jewelry sets.

This got me thinking about the pool products that are being made cheaply in China/Taiwan. What are the chances that they contain lead paint? I would think pretty good if big companies like Mattel aren't aware of what is going on with their products, do you really think that Fury & others have an idea? :confused: Coatings for pool sticks, dyes in cases, the wraps on pool sticks, who knows where this lead paint may be. I think this is just more of a reason for me to stick with American Made.
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While I have never heard of Cues from China containing lead in the woods or the paint. I have a very good source that has told me that all bone inlays in cues made in China are Human, and that the factory workers have to sign a contract giving their bodies to the company they work for;) .:eek::p

My source also has said that every part of the Human body is used in cue making. The hair is used for wraps, that is why that most cues coming from China have Black wraps. The skin is used to make cue cases and is sold as Leather, and the rest of the body is used for making Glue / Adhesives just like we use to do with Horses.;) :eek: :p

This is some scary shit if it is for real!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :D
 
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Ever since that pet food recall of products made in China, I am very careful what I feed to my pooch.

I only buy Purina brand today, for dry food and snacks. I just don't trust the rest of them. However, there was another brand of dog food that was made here in the USA that was recalled a few years ago. I think it was called "Castle," if memory serves me right.

Also, pet medications are not put under the scrutiny that people medications are by the FDA. I am very careful what medicines I give my dog, and the less, the better.

He is suffering from arthritis, and I began giving him some glucosamine with C vitamins. I always read the back of the label. If it has anything with "China" written on it, I will not buy it.

Buy American-made products for consumption. Here in USA, we have strict standards for what is consumed. You can't go wrong.

USA, ALL THE WAY!

JAM
 
manwon said:
While I have never heard of Cues from China containing lead in the woods or the paint. I have a very good source that has told me that all bone inlays in cues made in China are Human, and that the factory workers have to sign a contract giving their bodies to the company they work for;) .:eek::p

My source also has said that every part of the Human body is used in cue making. The hair is used for wraps, that is why that most cues coming from China have Black wraps. The skin is used to make cue cases and is sold as Leather, and the rest of the body is used for making Glue / Adhesives just like we use to do with Horses.;) :eek: :p

This is some scary shit if it is for real!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :D
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It's all true. There used to be 4 billion Chinese people but the government has decreased it to 1.2 billion by exporting people as products.

The Chinese are very crafty and have figured out ways to use human body parts in all products. The keys you are typing on were once part of a living person.

Boycott all Chinese products and all products that contain chinese products and any company that has anything to do with China.

Really, publish a list of products and companies that are China-safe and certified to be 100% China-Free.

I think most of you will have to throw away your computers but you can return to letter writing instead if you can find a pen not made in China.

By the way, perhaps you should all do a little more research into "Pet Foods" in general. An awful lot of folks don't recommend feeding your precious pets any kind of manufactured "pet" food.

I feed mine real meat and vegetables that I take the time to select. I also feed them leftovers and they are both wonderful and healthy pets with glowing fur, clean teeth, sweet dispositions, and make awesome companions. There is no need for pet food, none at all. If you wouldn't eat it then don't feed it to your animal.

For me, I am going to be in China for a while and I am healthier now than I have been in 10 years. Since I have been here I have lost nearly 20 lbs and feel pretty good. I eat food from all kinds of places and have only been sick twice, much less than I got sick from food in the USA.

Chinese people seem to be thriving from what I can see. Most people I see around appear to be living healthy, social and active lives. I guess they aren't dropping dead from lead poisoning or food poisoning. They do however have public health issues and scandals that get identified and solved.

I don't know, maybe I am brainwashed but then again my ten years in Germany taught me that all Germans aren't Nazis either. I guess I am blessed to have had and continue to have the opportunity to see the world from the other side.

I gotta say that most of the Chinese people I know personally appear to be living a much happier life than most of the Americans I know. Maybe it's because they aren't made to feel afraid all the time.
 
watchez said:
The Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled more than 300,000 Chinese made toys & other children's products Wednesday because of lead paint. Included :250,000 SpongeBob SquarePants address books & journals; 70,000 Thomas & Friends and Curious George tops and pails; 7,900 Divine Inspiration bracelets' and 14,000 Toby & Me jewelry sets. :eek:

This got me thinking about the pool products that are being made cheaply in China/Taiwan. What are the chances that they contain lead paint? I would think pretty good if big companies like Mattel aren't aware of what is going on with their products, do you really think that Fury & others have an idea? :confused: Coatings for pool sticks, dyes in cases, the wraps on pool sticks, who knows where this lead paint may be. I think this is just more of a reason for me to stick with American[/COLOR] Made.
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I always feel frustrated america always misunderstand the relation between Taiwan and Chinese Mainland (China).

China is a developing country. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea were 4 of 5 developed countries (region) in Asia (another is Japan) known as the Asia's Four Little Dragons or Four Asian Tigers or Four East Asian Tigers. Taiwanese companies are the most important OEM/ODM/EMS/CMMS manufacturers of the technical products including Notebook, iPOD, iPhone, WiI, Semiconductor, LCD, LED, Motherboard, Smart Phones etc. in the world. Their products usually noted for the "excellent" quality and reasonable price - and it is the reason HP, Dell, Apple, Sony, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia etc. are all their consumers.
 
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Why would anyone, half serious about this game, even want a mass produced cue made in China or anywhere else? I know it could play just as well as a custom, but custom cues are one of the things, along with the gambling history, colorful characters, legendary hustlers and road players, that make our game so unique. How many other sports can your equipment hold its value, if not increase, from the day you buy it? Try that with a tennis racket or a softball bat.

Spend $300 for a low end custom and $200 for a good case, you're ready to go. That's a cheap start to a new hobby nowadays.

I'm not a cue-maker, or anything like that, just trying to offer a solution to this lead problem. :)
 
My General Buying Strategy ....

"Never buy anything you may have to make an excuse for somewhere down the road" ... You get what you pay for (unless you are buying from Dale Perry) ...
 
A lot of what is being said in this thread makes me shake my head.

This is a problem for MATTEL , headquarters in El Segundo California, a fine American company listed on the New York Stock Exchange. One of their Chinese manufacturers had a problem with a subcontractor, and this is the result. And now people think that everything coming out of China contains leaded paint ? Wow, talk about over-reacting.

I think that those who suggest that Americans buy only things made in America simply do not understand the global economy. As an example, when you buy a Viking cue, are all the woods in that cue grown in the USA ? If the answer to that question is "no", then should this product be on the list of things NOT to buy ? Sorry for using Viking as an example, but Mr. Janis weighed in with the example first, so it made sense to use Viking in this post too. I think the same question could be asked of all US made cues. Our Canadian made cues would be rather short, being only a nice maple shaft :eek: :D

BTW, as interesting reading, here is a link to the explanations of what "Made in the USA" really means in terms of legislated definitions as they apply to labeling :

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/madeusa.shtm

If you are going to exersize your buying choices intelligently you should understand what the labels really mean (or are supposed to mean, there are people out there that lie and cheat :eek: )

Dave
 
Let me add my 2 cents. For the last year I have been working with a physican whose practice is dedicated to biomedical intervention for kids on the autistic spectrum. For them, lead toxicity is often a major problem. These kids have an inability to properly detox heavy metals and are thus at much higher risk. Most healthy adults are at little risk unless there is significant prolonged exposure.

That said, lead is toxic to everyone. No one disagrees about that. It is wrong to assume that a product that isn't recalled does not contain lead. The problem may not be isolated to Chinese products, but this is obviously the largest supplier. For reasons explained above, I don't think we should fear our pool cues. Chalk might be another story. I think someone should have them tested for lead.

Finally, John Barton, I am turned off by your approach to customer service. You could have easily and politely explained that your products are not a risk. While I believe your company practices are as you describe, I think your representation of your product here is appalling.
 
It's been a hard day's night.

1 Pocket Ghost said:
Hey Smorg, I think you might want to fire up a big batch of popcorn and come on over here........^_^
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Let the giant sleep, for everyone's sake.
JoeyA
 
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