Does anyone have any information about this player?

[Bank2Win]

There is a guy here in Las Vegas, that has kept under the radar for a couple of years now. A few people have played him and lost, he doesn't play in very many tournmanents. I had heard he was an oldhausen table mechanic when he moved to las vegas. I have gambled with him a few times and he never misses a ball, or misses shape. I mean this guy plays really good. His name is Dave Bounds. I would like to know if anyone can tell me how good this guy really is.
Thanks everyone.

Bank2win

 

[Varney Cues]

he never misses a ball, or misses shape.

I think you've answered your own question.

 

[xidica]

Agreed. Way to throw his name out there...

 

[PoolBum]

I have gambled with him a few times and he never misses a ball, or misses shape.

You sir have found the greatest player who ever lived.

 

[Skeezicks]

His name is Dave Bounds.

Can you post a few pictures?

 

[manwon]

There is a guy here in Las Vegas, that has kept under the radar for a couple of years now. A few people have played him and lost, he doesn't play in very many tournmanents. I had heard he was an oldhausen table mechanic when he moved to las vegas. I have gambled with him a few times and he never misses a ball, or misses shape. I mean this guy plays really good. His name is Dave Bounds. I would like to know if anyone can tell me how good this guy really is.
Thanks everyone.

Bank2win

Well, at this point why not just secretly take his picture and post it too , I am certain that he would thank you for helping him become a celebrity

PS. Good luck with future action, if people figure out that you made this post on a public forum, they will treat you like you have a disease.

Manwon

 

[DABABE]

Fugisative

We Use To Call Him "out Of Bounds" Until He Became A Rotating Transvestite And The He/she Became "out Of This World".

 

[tom haney]

Well, at this point why not just secretly take his picture and post it too , I am certain that he would thank you for helping him become a celebrity

PS. Good luck with future action, if people figure out that you made this post on a public forum, they will treat you like you have a disease.

Manwon

So let me get this straight? It's our duty as good little AZers to
protect the identity of hustlers? Why? Let's say I'm a good
player who likes to gamble. I'd like to know who the hustlers
are. JMHO.

 

[bjthebandit]

????

Posting pics could KNOCK!!!!! WILL YOU GUYS," STOP KNOCKING"????? KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK IS NO JOKE!!! Older, Pool players need help not knocking ,belive it or not, they eat just like you, they may not be blessed with a job or means at all, age.health could be it sometimes!

 

[jay helfert]

There is a guy here in Las Vegas, that has kept under the radar for a couple of years now. A few people have played him and lost, he doesn't play in very many tournmanents. I had heard he was an oldhausen table mechanic when he moved to las vegas. I have gambled with him a few times and he never misses a ball, or misses shape. I mean this guy plays really good. His name is Dave Bounds. I would like to know if anyone can tell me how good this guy really is.
Thanks everyone.

Bank2win

I'll give you my stock answer when a player comes up to me before his match and asks me how good his opponent plays. "He never misses a ball!"

Yes David can play. Champion, no. Good shortstop, yes. Now, you're on your own.

 

[Black-Balled]

Posting pics could KNOCK!!!!! WILL YOU GUYS," STOP KNOCKING"????? KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK IS NO JOKE!!! Older, Pool players need help not knocking ,belive it or not, they eat just like you, they may not be blessed with a job or means at all, age.health could be it sometimes!

But, but, but...he wants MY money, and so do I!

Damn sneakers.

 

[manwon]

So let me get this straight? It's our duty as good little AZers to
protect the identity of hustlers? Why? Let's say I'm a good
player who likes to gamble. I'd like to know who the hustlers
are. JMHO.

OK partner, so your a good player, where I come from a good player that likes to gamble would step up and play a few sets. Good players can tell better players very quickly, by their stroke, safety play, and most importantly the other players ability to win in situations that he should not under normal circumstances.

You see good players are not afraid to step up play a few sets even if they loose, because that is how you find out that someone else is really better, and also what type of spot you would need to continue.

In my book you can not be a good player / gambler if you are afraid to loose, because if you are afraid either you will never gamble or you will choke.

I suspect that many players would think that a so called good player / gambler who will not take any chances when they play, and must know how well someone else plays before they will play them, is not a good player, the person is a nit looking for a hand out, because good players are after the thrill of competition and money is only something that is used to keep score and determine who is the better player.

Sorry if we disagree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Have a nice night

Manwon

 

[VIProfessor]

So let me get this straight? It's our duty as good little AZers to
protect the identity of hustlers? Why? Let's say I'm a good
player who likes to gamble. I'd like to know who the hustlers
are. JMHO.

I think that you may be missing the point. What the posters are trying to tell you is that there is a right and a wrong way to seek information. There's nothing wrong with asking your friends about a player, but not in front of God and the world! When you put someone's name and game out there like that you queer not only a hustle, but also honest games. I've been in situations where a partner and I lost out on getting fair games because someone who hadn't seen us play, but who had heard our name somewhere, started exaggerated accounts of how we play. I can see it now. In the very near future, the player that Bank2Win named will be somewhere trying to match up with a good player and somebody will come up and say, "Did you say Joe Player? Man, I read about him on the 'Net, dawg. He don't miss a ball!" There goes the action!

The code of the pool world is that you just don't knock people's games. That's how some people eat. It's not just about hustling, but we have to recognize the fact that in the absence of sufficient tournaments and prize money, the only way for many professional-quality players to survive playing the game full-time is to travel and play for money. You may not choose to do this or agree with it, but don't interfere with it.

P.S.--It just occurred to me that there's one thing that nobody seems to have taken note of. If, as Bank2Win asserts, the guy never misses a ball and never misses shape, then he's obviously not hustling!

 

[Black-Balled]

...there is a right and a wrong way to seek information. There's nothing wrong with asking your friends about a player, but not in front of God and the world!

This is now the way the world works. Stay, or go.

The code of the pool world is that you just don't knock people's games... the only way for many professional-quality players to survive playing the game full-time is to travel and play for money. You may not choose to do this or agree with it, but don't interfere with it.

Some fukin code! A guy, 'professional level', travelling around playing people that are far behind him in pool skill. God bless the poor hustler-

P.S.--It just occurred to me that there's one thing that nobody seems to have taken note of. If, as Bank2Win asserts, the guy never misses a ball and never misses shape, then he's obviously not hustling!

An excellent point!

 

[tom haney]

Some good points, but.... I have been in pool rooms where
they have pictures of hustlers on the wall. A guy comes in
and everybody runs over to see if his picture is on the
wall.
It's called not hating your money.

OK partner, so your a good player, where I come from a good player that likes to gamble would step up and play a few sets. Good players can tell better players very quickly, by their stroke, safety play, and most importantly the other players ability to win in situations that he should not under normal circumstances.

You see good players are not afraid to step up play a few sets even if they loose, because that is how you find out that someone else is really better, and also what type of spot you would need to continue.

In my book you can not be a good player / gambler if you are afraid to loose, because if you are afraid either you will never gamble or you will choke.

I suspect that many players would think that a so called good player / gambler who will not take any chances when they play, and must know how well someone else plays before they will play them, is not a good player, the person is a nit looking for a hand out, because good players are after the thrill of competition and money is only something that is used to keep score and determine who is the better player.

Sorry if we disagree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Have a nice night

Manwon

 

[jrhendy]

So let me get this straight? It's our duty as good little AZers to
protect the identity of hustlers? Why? Let's say I'm a good
player who likes to gamble. I'd like to know who the hustlers
are. JMHO.

IF you are a good player who likes to gamble, you got there by stepping up and taking chances and mixing it up with players you knew were better than you. If you didn't do that and don't do that now, you are an underachiever when it comes to maximizing your ability. It can be by gambling or playing in tournaments with better players, but if you are not testing yourself against better players, you are not trying to improve your game. You have to pay your dues to get there, and if you have, you will recognize the hustlers when you need to. John Henderson

 

[curlyscues]

what if?

So let me get this straight? It's our duty as good little AZers to
protect the identity of hustlers? Why? Let's say I'm a good
player who likes to gamble. I'd like to know who the hustlers
are. JMHO.

just for arguments sake, lets assume this player is an actual hustler not just a good player. for illustration i'll use the beginning of the hustler. (i know everyone here knows this movie well) but in this scene he takes the guys at the bar and the bartender does not own the place and gets fired. i know not everyone here has independent wealth, and might not have had the experience to have seen some of the better hustles out there. do people here really think they should just take the bite and learn their lesson at the risk losing maybe their car or wife? i know these are long shot possibilities, but it has been known to happen.
in the movie eddie had some form of morality. in real life most don't. should people be blasted for thinking they may have run into this type of player. if you kill the action of a street grifter will you still get the same crap as you do when someone catches a player literally robbing someone in your poolroom. there are players and there are hustlers. players don't normally hide. and it would be nice if hustlers couldn't.
damn that was long winded for me i'll shut up now.
M.C.

 

[ShootingArts]

a major problem with pool

This is indeed the major problem with pool as a sport. Many serious pool players have great difficulty drawing a line between gamblers and hustlers. Hopefully, we don't look up to the average conman on the street so I am at a loss as to why it magically becomes OK if the con involves a cue stick.

I do think that a lot of people kill legitimate action with loose talk though. There have been times when the rumors greatly exaggerated my ability making it impossible to get anything resembling a fair match up. I gambled fairly and I hustled the wannabe hustlers that tried to hustle me. I didn't lose any sleep either way.

Hu

just for arguments sake, lets assume this player is an actual hustler not just a good player. for illustration i'll use the beginning of the hustler. (i know everyone here knows this movie well) but in this scene he takes the guys at the bar and the bartender does not own the place and gets fired. i know not everyone here has independent wealth, and might not have had the experience to have seen some of the better hustles out there. do people here really think they should just take the bite and learn their lesson at the risk losing maybe their car or wife? i know these are long shot possibilities, but it has been known to happen.
in the movie eddie had some form of morality. in real life most don't. should people be blasted for thinking they may have run into this type of player. if you kill the action of a street grifter will you still get the same crap as you do when someone catches a player literally robbing someone in your poolroom. there are players and there are hustlers. players don't normally hide. and it would be nice if hustlers couldn't.
damn that was long winded for me i'll shut up now.
M.C.

 

[Russ Chewning]

just for arguments sake, lets assume this player is an actual hustler not just a good player. for illustration i'll use the beginning of the hustler. (i know everyone here knows this movie well) but in this scene he takes the guys at the bar and the bartender does not own the place and gets fired. i know not everyone here has independent wealth, and might not have had the experience to have seen some of the better hustles out there. do people here really think they should just take the bite and learn their lesson at the risk losing maybe their car or wife? i know these are long shot possibilities, but it has been known to happen.
in the movie eddie had some form of morality. in real life most don't. should people be blasted for thinking they may have run into this type of player. if you kill the action of a street grifter will you still get the same crap as you do when someone catches a player literally robbing someone in your poolroom. there are players and there are hustlers. players don't normally hide. and it would be nice if hustlers couldn't.
damn that was long winded for me i'll shut up now.
M.C.

Most of the people on here rooting for the road toad are gonna say if someone loses the car, wife, or job, that it was their fault for being greedy. They'll say that you can't hustle someone who is trying to hustle you.

Which is utter shiite, IMHO. I've played a few times where I had no chance against a much better player, and they took full advantage of the situation. I knew they were a good player before we started, but I just wanted either a fair game or something I'd stand to win 1 out of three sets with. I was basically donating for the experience, but wanted full value for my money, i.e., I wanted to get the guy's real game, at a spot that I wasn't gonna get murdered with.

Did I get anywhere close to his real game? Not by a long shot. He did crap like bank balls off the head rail towards the side pocket, getting a decent safe if he missed it short, he shot purposely into the rail to "simulate" a miss and playing the speed to leave me long.

I now recognize that shiite when I see it, and I still disdain it. I am always one who believes in playing your very best every time you step up to the table.

I very much believe pool should basically be a "zero sum" game until you are good enough to play and win in tournaments. Just like it is in Europe, for the most part. Tell me again why the Europeans are much better players than Americans for the most part now?

I believe there are some strong pro players in America nowadays that are actually held back by their proclivity for gambling. They get so caught up in the search for action that they never develop the skillset to be a consistent tournament winner.

There's definitely money out there for today's pros, they just have to be "professional" enough to earn it. Get your @55 on the practice table and don't assume you can just coast on talent.

Russ

 

[Actionhound]

funny story about hustling the hustler...

about 3 months ago this guy from mobile came to my pool room with another player looking for action... his buddy got into action and i walked in about 30 minutes after they got there... he starts woofing at me to play some 100-200 dollar sets... i tell him im really not that interested because i had to work the next day and it was late already... we go back and forth and somehow i get talked into giving this guy the last two playing for 100... i somehow manage to win the first set... then he tells me we can play even for 200... so i say flip it... (thinking i had the nuts)... we play and again i win... but this race is alot closer than the last... he then wants to play another set... he says i can get the last 2 for 300... seeing as how thats the exact amount i was winner i said sure... we play... it goes hill hill and my opponent mis-cues on a easy 6 ball... i get out and win the set... come to find out i needed the 7 from this guy all along and he was trying to set me up by breaking even and playing again later... he came back to the pool room and wanted me to give him the 8 for 1000... lol... i told him i would take the 7 and play him some more 200 or 300$ sets... which made him extremely mad (because i had him 600 stuck)... i just smiled and said... "you shouldnt have tried to hustle me then"... he got really mad then... but soon calmed down and laughed about it when he realized that i found out who he was and how he played... we have never played since...