Dont you love it when a lesser player tries to correct you game

stevekur1

stevekur1

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I was playing scotch doubles this afternoon, a few cheap sets! and after i missed a couple of shots, my team-mate lashed out at me that i was jumping up on my shots... now this bugged me but i didnt say anything. a little while later i was playing a bit better(but still thinking about jumping up) i missed a tough shot, and he repremanded me again about my stance beeing wrong. Finally i had to say something to him, something in the way of " You are gonna sit there and correct my game, meanwhile you cant run like 2 balls in a row"...... meanwhile this guy is a much lesser of a player than i am. i would of excepted it if he was much better than i, i would of actually thanked him for the tips and oppologized for the misses.


but afterall i could probably give this guy like the 5 ball and still drill him!


thought this was pretty funny, had to share!

Plus i needed to vent!


did anyone else ever had something like this happen?? dont ya love it?
 
I hear you.

Can you give me some advice on how to let the lesser player know that he is the lesser player besides beating the socks (or money out of him) and risking loosing him as a buddy or team mate?

I shoot APA and I have a team member that for some reason thinks his game is the best in the world and the funny part is that he is a 4, and not even good enough to play at a 5's level, BUT he thinks he is the man.

So, besides taking him aside and beating the cr*p out of him on the table(of course), any suggestions?

I would greatly appreciate it.
Felix
 
I would say "I know you have my best interests at heart when you offer me advice, but you are making it impossible for me to concentrate on the game, so I'd ask that you refrain from further comment. Much appreciated." This will take care of it against most . If it doesn't work, you'll have to get more aggressive in your behavior, but try diplomacy first.
 
Hey SJM very well put!

this guy is a nice friendly guy, plus he is worth a few bucks. i might be able to make him like a part time job if i play my cards right! if you know what i mean. and i think you do!!!!!


maybe i should strart to play while listening to my iPod so i can zone him out...
 
it is important to remember that, no matter a person's skill level, you can still learn something from them.

so yeah, i love it whe they do it
 
Understand being peeved at the doubles partner's advice but perhaps its a bit too generalised to kind of imlpy that nothing can be learned from lesser players, in any sport or game.

Stephen Hendry's snooker coach wasn't exactly a snooker legend and his advice worked out fine.

Tiger Woods regularly takes swing advice and coaching from people who couldn't break 80 in a tour event. David Leadbetter earns millions teaching PGA Tour golfers and I very much doubt that Leadbetter could beat a senior age amateur of my own fairly modest standard.

One of the greatest coaches in world club soccer history (Sir Alec Ferguson) was barely a "short stop" soccer player in his prime....etc etc:)
 
stevekur1 said:
I was playing scotch doubles this afternoon, a few cheap sets! and after i missed a couple of shots, my team-mate lashed out at me that i was jumping up on my shots... now this bugged me but i didnt say anything. a little while later i was playing a bit better(but still thinking about jumping up) i missed a tough shot, and he repremanded me again about my stance beeing wrong. Finally i had to say something to him, something in the way of " You are gonna sit there and correct my game, meanwhile you cant run like 2 balls in a row"...... meanwhile this guy is a much lesser of a player than i am. i would of excepted it if he was much better than i, i would of actually thanked him for the tips and oppologized for the misses.


but afterall i could probably give this guy like the 5 ball and still drill him!


thought this was pretty funny, had to share!

Plus i needed to vent!


did anyone else ever had something like this happen?? dont ya love it?
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I think you have it wrong, because he is a weaker player has nothing to do with his ability to see things that are wrong with others. The perception of write and wrong have nothing to do with physical ability.

I suspect that when you get to point that you can no longer learn things from those who you do not see as an equal, you are either blind, deaf, or totally dumb.
 
smokeandapancak said:
it is important to remember that, no matter a person's skill level, you can still learn something from them.

so yeah, i love it whe they do it
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This is pretty much what I was going to say, but much less diplomatically.

I'm pretty sure Tiger can spot his golf coach 4 strokes on the front 9, and 4 strokes on the back 9.

Question for the OP......

You missed yhe shot for some reason. Is there ANY chance at all your "helper" was correct??????? :D

Russ
 
I have to admit that I have a hard time not letting advice from a lesser player bother me when given during a game. I know several players who can give me very good advice but can rarely beat me and one who advises me on shots selection and position play who understands nothing about either one. It hard sometimes to ignore it and play my game. It does help to sharpen your concentration to learn to listen to what people tell you, use what you can, and let the rest flow through you.
 
I hate it too when a lesser player tells you where to position the white just before you shoot. It is very annoying.
 
There are lots of peoples who knows how to do it, but just can't do it. For example a good stance. You can know all the things about a good stance, but it need years of practise to do it right. Great players often correct my playing, but almost everything they said to me, are things I already know. Knowing things doesn't make me a good player.
 
icem3n said:
I hate it too when a lesser player tells you where to position the white just before you shoot. It is very annoying.
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It depends on what your skills are. If you are a really good player, it will be worthless to tell you how to position. But if you are a bad player, it might help you. Some friends of mine are really goot shooters. When they lose, they lose because lack of position. I can play really good position, but my pottingskills aren't that good. I like telling and learning from each others.
 
sjm said:
I would say "I know you have my best interests at heart when you offer me advice, but you are making it impossible for me to concentrate on the game, so I'd ask that you refrain from further comment. Much appreciated." This will take care of it against most . If it doesn't work, you'll have to get more aggressive in your behavior, but try diplomacy first.
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This is good. No matter what (unless asked for) advice during competition is bad advice.

But, I always remember, with few exceptions, everyone knows more about this game than they can demonstrate. If the so called advisor is simply a beginner I just laugh it off.

As far as trying to put someone in their place. If need be just show them a couple of so called advance shots ie frozen balls. The easy shots that are usually missed simply because the player doesn't know enough yet. Then make a deal. Don't bug me and I'll show you how.
 
It's bad etiquette to give advice that's not asked for. You come off looking like a know-it-all. If I were playing Efren and he missed a few shots, I'd still keep my trap shut. As long as we're both having fun, who cares?
 
On a friday night a guy comes with his date.The guy is clue less but he tries to show his girl how to hold the stick and when she bends to shoot he stands behind her very close adjusting the position of her hand etc.guys automatically assume that the girls do not know how to do it.I saw this every friday in every town I visited.
 
stevekur1,

I am also a SL5 in my APA eight-ball league. I once had a teammate who was a SL3 tell me that I was jumping up on my shot too whenever I missed a makeable shot. You know what? He was right . I was jumping up, getting a little too fast-paced in anticipation of my next shot or two. I thanked him for the information and preceeded to slow down and stay down. IMO, just because someone can't execute doesn't mean that they don't have some learned KNOWLEDGE of any particular endeavor. I have "lesser" skilled players at my local bar asking me pool questions sometimes, some of which come up to me later and thank me for my advice saying it has helped them, and I couldn't knock a ball into a pocket with a snowplow!!!! :D I would suggest that you listen, but maybe relay to your buddy to wait until between games or something to tell you what you are doing that may be causing you to miss makeable shots.
BTW, I hope my friends don't consider me a "friend" because they can win a few bucks from me here and there. I don't want to be loved as anyones
"part-time employer" :rolleyes:

Maniac
 
Put up or shut up

I say make a real game out of Mr know-it-all. End the doubles and challenge your partner. Let him show you the error of your ways...or learn the error of his.

I watched a kid matchup with a guy who was twice the player he was with no weight. I tipped the kid off that he was about to get robbed. His reply was "well he called me out" then "I don't care what you think." He was so angered by my warning (or the challenge that preceeded it) that he boasted he would give me his winnings to show me how wrong I was about him. After making the foolish remark, he asked what I was going to do then. I said nothing but walked over to his opponent and bought half his action.

Some people need to learn the hard way.
 
stevekur1 said:
I was playing scotch doubles this afternoon, a few cheap sets! and after i missed a couple of shots, my team-mate lashed out at me that i was jumping up on my shots... now this bugged me but i didnt say anything. a little while later i was playing a bit better(but still thinking about jumping up) i missed a tough shot, and he repremanded me again about my stance beeing wrong. Finally i had to say something to him, something in the way of " You are gonna sit there and correct my game, meanwhile you cant run like 2 balls in a row"...... meanwhile this guy is a much lesser of a player than i am. i would of excepted it if he was much better than i, i would of actually thanked him for the tips and oppologized for the misses.


but afterall i could probably give this guy like the 5 ball and still drill him!


thought this was pretty funny, had to share!

Plus i needed to vent!


did anyone else ever had something like this happen?? dont ya love it?
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The one advantage anyone has over you when you are Down on a Shot is they can see everythnig you do.
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They may play below you, but they can see what you can not see. Most Great Pros have Instructors/Coaches, that are Lesser Player than the Pros they coach.
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Some people are better coaches than they are players..i take everyone's comments into consideration..:)
 
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