Ebay Unknown "Custom Cue"

I decided to hold my opinion to myself even though I had no interest in the cue.

I decided to hold my opinion to myself because I didn't want to influence anyone's decisions whether to bid on it or not, (which other people here would probably not be remisce to do also to avoid the conspiracy theories that have now cropped up), but I seriously thought it was a late Balabushka with a blank by szamboti. It really looked like a bushka and had the age in the MOP and the finish that would be consistent with it. I wouldn't have been willing to bid 9600 on it just from my appraisal of the pics, so I would have to agree with those that said someone did their homework.

It is TOO often in the pool world that we have people who post here to try and derail an auction so they can get their paws on something, but what's funny is that by posting on here at all you actually derail yourself if your motivation is to take it down, because a lot of the people that would have the means to verify or the ability to know what kind of cue it is doesn't stay on Ebay all of the time and by bringing it to their attention, you make it more likely that someone will find out what it really is and bid on it themselves.

I had a chance several times to get a top cue for a bottom dollar price on Ebay from someone who didn't know what they had. I remember once several years ago where someone posted a southwest without knowing what it was and it ended up going for like 475. I kept kicking myself for not being willing to bid more on it afterwards.
 
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ribdoner said:
Kid Dynomite said:
Ribdoner,

At $9600 I believe some one did their homework on the cue. If they did not then they are a fool and deserve to buy a $1600 for $9600!!!!

in order for it to reach 9600 on a 1600 cue there must be at least 2 people that believe its real or it would not get that high!!! some one else bid 9500 if it was going up by 100 each bid!

I do believe some of the post were questionable at best and did not reflect the finish and age it clearly had. plus, the lack of markings was big for me and the fact it resembled another bushka also helped.

As far as the conspiracy theory goes some were innocent comments and others were from pro-claimed experts in my opinion. The experts want you to believe some fool spent 9600 on a 1600 cue and that 2 people were so mis-informed and too cheap to fly or drive to conn and have the cue examined prior to bidding 9600 is just crazy to me!!!

But i have seen mis direction and low balling estimates to snag a deal before on here and else where! So, it is not outside the realm of possibility!!!!![
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So, are you suggesting that cuesblues,rhncue, charlie edwards, pushout, mark8950, chrisonline, subdude1974, chip d, scott lee, classiccues, poolhall maven, crawfish, billyards,; from "BALABUSHKA?" thread: half fast banker, blusystems, avmaster, dak21st, fatboy, paulybatz, nick serdula, hangemhigh, highendcues, findcue4u, cueaddicts, hal2, c and c collaborated, schemed or something to discredit the cue and "snag it"?
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Yeah Rib, avmaster wants to know...:rolleyes: How did we do this holdup trick...:confused: All I offered was an opinion.... we all know what those are.....:D

P.S. kinda sounded like a possible threat there to me.... but, hey what do I know............:) ;)
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I put the reasons here, Ken Kerner from Highendcues put the reasons in the other thread. Anyone who thinks this MOP is aged, absolutely has not seen enough MOP inlays to make a statement. This MOP is late 70's/80's MOP and that is that. The linen on the collars is too black, Bushka used a single black linen which means the cloth is clearly visable. Bushka would have never set a diamond that high in the points, we have had more than 30 real Bushkas with single diamonds and none were that high. The delrin is TO white. The silver rings are wrong. The topper is the ivory windows. Someone needs to show an ivory windowed Bushka of the same design.. anyone? If you have one, you have a retirement package waiting for you.

JV
 
classiccues said:
I put the reasons here, Ken Kerner from Highendcues put the reasons in the other thread. Anyone who thinks this MOP is aged, absolutely has not seen enough MOP inlays to make a statement. This MOP is late 70's/80's MOP and that is that. The linen on the collars is too black, Bushka used a single black linen which means the cloth is clearly visable. Bushka would have never set a diamond that high in the points, we have had more than 30 real Bushkas with single diamonds and none were that high. The delrin is TO white. The silver rings are wrong. The topper is the ivory windows. Someone needs to show an ivory windowed Bushka of the same design.. anyone? If you have one, you have a retirement package waiting for you.

JV
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Hey if you're referring to my response that the MOP looks aged, then you should remember that I said that it was atleast as aged as my 74 rich, I never said that I thought it was aged to the 60's, but that not withstanding, I'm not an expert on Bushkas I just said that at first glance from the photos it LOOKED like a bushka to me and going at 9600, I would have to say that it either was a Bushka a szam or someone made a big mistake paying that much for it.
 
Jesus "Riblet",

It's a good thing that someone was sharp enough to see through your conspiracy to steal all the Bushkas in the world by telling everyone they aren't Bushkas!

Like he said "Son" (and I like that term of respect for your elders), you don't want any part of a war with him. He's from the same city as the Mc Creadys AND has seen the Sinkler Collection. That just about sums up the ability to ID a Bushka for me. Some folks are naive enough to believe that you should look for "tells" like the brown bumper, width of the rings, yada, yada, yada. Now I know that all you have to do is live in the same city as other pool people and maybe look at a collection of cues or two (This should be good for me down the line as I live in the same city as the Glenn Family, so I can kill two birds with one stone).

He's also right, as you no doubt know by now after a lot of soul searching, that it is impossible to find two idiots (or one idiot and a shill bidder) that would bid on anything that might not be the Real Deal. People are just inherently smart about these things, and never let greed cloud their judgment (must be more of that conspiracy thing that he figured out).

Well, let that be a lesson to you, Adam! Just because you have a cool metal hat, doesn't mean you're flying under some people's radar ;)!

Regards,

Steve
 
Jaden said:
Hey if you're referring to my response that the MOP looks aged, then you should remember that I said that it was atleast as aged as my 74 rich, I never said that I thought it was aged to the 60's, but that not withstanding, I'm not an expert on Bushkas I just said that at first glance from the photos it LOOKED like a bushka to me and going at 9600, I would have to say that it either was a Bushka a szam or someone made a big mistake paying that much for it.
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Just an FYI.. I can make a new MOP diamond look aged. Just by the type of finish I request be put on a cue. Lacquers, especially older lacquers, will "yellow" therefore giving a false patina. That is not the issue that makes the diamond wrong, its the style of the diamond and the size.

JV
 
I have sold over 10,000 items on Ebay & can tell you that people's reaction to this cue is no different than to other rare items I have seen.

I once had a game used Scottie Pippen jersey for sale. I had people tell me it was not real because the lettering from the collar to the name should be 5 inches when it showed 8 inches. How they could tell this from a picture I don't know. Funny thing is, the same person that posted this on my auction also sent me an email offering $600 for the jersey. I think they call this a 'move'.

Don't be suprised by the winning bidder of this cue being someone that doubted it.

BTW, my jersey was real. I caught it when Scottie threw it off his back as he left the court. Sold for $1300 on ebay.
 
jay helfert said:
For what it's worth, I was going to try to snag the cue in the last hour, but the bidding just got out of hand. I would have liked to buy it in the 3K range. Wishful thinking. :)
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Jay, do YOU think it was a Balabushka?
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Yes a scruggs would be marked!!!!

Plus the finish is most definitely old on that puppy and you can not replace the butt cap with out a refinish. So, most likely a Bushka. She never showed the little brown bushka bumper on the bottom of his cues and that would just about seal it.

I don't have the funds to pay what this thing may go for but if you must know if authentic then call downingtown PA and speak to pete sinkler and see if he could shed some light on the cue.

He is your best bet on identifing old bushka's and boti's in my humble opinion.

Kid
Dynomite
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Actually some of Tim's early cues were unmarked. I have seen some here on AZ before. But it isnt a Bushka and definitely not a Szam. it is a Black, possibly a JW. And Pete Tascarella would probably be the best to verify.
 
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who ever bought that cue lost alot of $$$$, if its a Bushka I have a 12" you know what, sadly I have 25% of that . I believe the seller was on the square and the buyer made a mistake, I dont know alot about Ebay but the seller has a good reputation and I hope when the buyer gets the bad news, he is compensated. I have some real Bushkas for $100,000 for that buyer, i'll give up a 25% commision to who can bring me that buyer, I'll sell 5 of the 6 I own so @ $25,000/cue X 5 REAL Bushkas the person who brings me the buyer could make $125,000. Its not how hard you work its how smart, so get busy and bring the buyer to me!!!!

in all seriousniss I hate to see this because someone got robbed, i'm 99.345745% sure of that. I looked at some of my real ones and as Ken, my friend with issues is right, that cue has issues. Actually Ken Kerner is one hell of a guy and friend, he has robbed me on a few cues and I think I got the best of him once maybe, but I will promis anyone here he is a stand up guy to do biz with, as is Mike Gartland and Bill Grassley, and Don Surman too, if I left anyone off the list let me know, Casey is cool too, infact I havent had a bad del yet, if I did I got out moved and shit happens I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Jay Helfert is.
 
Alot of people here, on AZ know what to look for, i dont...If some fellow walked up to me with that unknown cue, not knowing about the ebay auction, i might have given, 300-500 for it, 9,000? he, he, id ask if he was on crack, so........i appritiate the wisdom here on AZ, Im not into collectable cues, but i can say i passed up a palmer once for 250$ I KNOW I shouldhave bought...oh, well

SPINDOKTOR
 
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