Fedor Vs Tony 1 pkt

iusedtoberich said:
I think Busty would have chopped up Tony in both of their Primes. IMO:) I do believe Busty has done much better over the years at the DCC as well.

I think the only two modern day one pocket specialists have been Tony and Frost. Both of their DCC records don't seem to be nearly as good as 9 ball superstar players who play one hole once per year at the DCC.
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I agree about a prime Busty. I'm talking present day Busty vs Tony. I think it's close.
 
JAM said:
I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, of course. Nobody, which includes you and me, has seen each one of these players in their prime.

There are no digital recordings of players from yesteryear. Word of mouth and regional favorites goes a long way as far as these "Whos the Best" threads. That's what happens on discussion forums sometimes.
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Ummm.. I have a couple of VHS matches with Efren and Cliff playing in the 90s? before Cliff started having back problems. Cliff, as far as filmed play is concerned, is not really a "player of yesteryear". There are quite a few recordings of him playing very near Efren's level in One Pocket. And there are Accu-Stats recordings of Efren well before he learned how to win against players of Sigel/Varner quality, so we kind of watched him rise into his prime on video.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I had an accu-stats tape in the late 90's of a match between Cornbread Red and I think Bugs (not sure it was Bugs, but if not, it was an older warhorse player for sure). I think the tournament took place in 1992, one of Grady's events. The thing I noticed then, and still remember today, is both those guys got to the table and instantly knew the shot. It was clear they had both played 40 years of one pocket, and knew every possible layout and shot inside and out.
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I agree with alphadog. There is a difference between having played enough One Pocket to know instantly what your response is, versus knowing what the highest percentage play is and being able to execute it.
 
lfigueroa said:
It's not a question of getting excited over anything.

The question revolves around your assertion that, when in comes to pool, "greatness is measured in titles." To a large extent I agree. However, because it's pool and action is throughly woven throughout the fabric of the sport, gambling matches must also be considered. It's been that way for 100 years and it has nothing to do with your viewing preference.

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It's all good, Lou. You're my friend and always will be.
 
Shane understands him calling out anybody, including him. Shane said he’d like to see him try Alex at 1P but thinks Alex would win. Shane might be able to in 1P but would really need to get his head into it. Shane said he can’t beat Fedor in bank pool. 10-ball would be very difficult. 9-ball would be more of a chance. And Fedor couldn’t beat him in 8-ball. Straight pool, who knows. Noncommittal by far but was sounding fairly open to it happening. There was no talk of Cuetec playing a role. That must have been just a fabrication on the forums unless someone has sources to share.

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ShortBusRuss said:
Ummm.. I have a couple of VHS matches with Efren and Cliff playing in the 90s? before Cliff started having back problems. Cliff, as far as filmed play is concerned, is not really a "player of yesteryear". There are quite a few recordings of him playing very near Efren's level in One Pocket. And there are Accu-Stats recordings of Efren well before he learned how to win against players of Sigel/Varner quality, so we kind of watched him rise into his prime on video.
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Ummm, I know better than to get into a tit-for-tat on AzBilliards Discussion Forum. Thank you for sharing your opinion, as that's all it is. Have a nice day!
 
BasementDweller said:
I think Tony is more accurately placed around Bustamante. I can't remember if they've played or not but it would be an interesting match-up. Tony may be slightly more creative and Bustamante may be more consistent.

Consistency is the killer for the one-pocket specialists. Well that coupled with letting less experienced one-pocket players shoot without a shot clock. This nullifies their knowledge advantage as top-tier players can find a shot if given enough time to do so. This stood out years ago when Frost played Orcullo. Dennis would just study the table forever until he figured it out. Scott would come up and instantly know what to do.

It wasn't even close.
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I think Tony and Busty played a race to 21 in one 2-3 years with Busty winning 21-19. If I remember correctly.
 
MattPoland said:
Shane understands him calling out anybody, including him. Shane said he’d like to see him try Alex at 1P but thinks Alex would win. Shane might be able to in 1P but would really need to get his head into it. Shane said he can’t beat Fedor in bank pool. 10-ball would be very difficult. 9-ball would be more of a chance. And Fedor couldn’t beat him in 8-ball. Straight pool, who knows. Noncommittal by far but was sounding fairly open to it happening. There was no talk of Cuetec playing a role. That must have been just a fabrication on the forums unless someone has sources to share.

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Is there a different link? That took me to random FB videos. Some were MR pool, but just of regular matches.
 
I do not like one pocket, but I do have a question. Is Tony Cochan pretty much the only full time one pocket specialist still active? I only ask because I remember guys like Danny Smith(I believe he is known as The Shredder) and Chip Compton and how much they were on those accustats make it happen events. Do those guys play much anymore? I know Scott Frost's attention is more to his hall in AZ so he does not play much anymore.

Where there any others?
 
I'd say anyone that actually enjoys playing one pocket that's also ranked outside of the top 50 in 9ball can be called a one pocket specialist.
 
AtLarge said:
It was a race to 24, in June of 2020. Bustamante won the match 24-22. https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...hohan-one-pocket-race-to-24-june-2020.513782/
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I think that's maybe where I got the comparison. Not sure why he's almost expected to play the big boys, since he's a significant underdog. He's probably better off playing the guys below him while giving up a spot than playing his equals. His flare for the dramatic shot, which I very much enjoy seeing, skews the perception of his actual standing among his peers. IOW, his fancy shots cost him money.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I had an accu-stats tape in the late 90's of a match between Cornbread Red and I think Bugs (not sure it was Bugs, but if not, it was an older warhorse player for sure). I think the tournament took place in 1992, one of Grady's events. The thing I noticed then, and still remember today, is both those guys got to the table and instantly knew the shot. It was clear they had both played 40 years of one pocket, and knew every possible layout and shot inside and out.
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If it was on Youtube I think it was Strawberry Brooks and Cornbread, good match.
BasementDweller said:
I agree about a prime Busty. I'm talking present day Busty vs Tony. I think it's close.
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If I recall correctly they have played in the last 4/5 years and Busty edged Tony out. I am remembering it as a race to 24.

I miss-remembered Daniel (POVPOOL) has a match between Busty and Tony on his youtube page from 2016 where they played a race to 21 win by two. They ended up double-hill and Busty won the next two to win the match 22-20.

They also played in 2020, it was the race to 24 I remembered. Busty won 24-22. Here is a thread on onepocket.org about the match: https://onepocket.org/forum/index.p...one-pocket-action-june-16th-17th-18th.430098/
 
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MattPoland said:
Shane understands him calling out anybody, including him. Shane said he’d like to see him try Alex at 1P but thinks Alex would win. Shane might be able to in 1P but would really need to get his head into it. Shane said he can’t beat Fedor in bank pool. 10-ball would be very difficult. 9-ball would be more of a chance. And Fedor couldn’t beat him in 8-ball. Straight pool, who knows. Noncommittal by far but was sounding fairly open to it happening. There was no talk of Cuetec playing a role. That must have been just a fabrication on the forums unless someone has sources to share.

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Somebody put up 2 to 5k in the middle....and they will play for it and bet more besides. A room along the tournament trail could easily do this....I did 6 events this way.
 
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