FEEL IN AIMING

[dquarasr]

Against my better judgment, I let curiosity get the better of me and checked on how this conversation is going. I am flabbergasted. Also against my better judgment, I feel compelled to respond to these ridiculous assertions.

Spider: what is the air like on the planet you're on?

I'm going to bare it all.

TDLR: accused C- player refutes crap posted.

Here goes:

I may have exaggerated slightly when I said I had been serious only 18 months. It might have been two years. As I mentioned before, I bought a table, a Goldenwest (not anything special by any means) when I was in my 30s. I played sparingly. I played my neighbor maybe four, five, six times a year. Over the years, the table fell into disrepair; the table was outdoors on a covered patio, and humidity ruined the wood finish, with mold growing in the grain.

I played very little. After reconfiguring the porch, I brought the table inside and refinished it myself in 2014 (no, not including cloth and cushions.)

Before and after photos:

I moved to Mount Dora, FL in 2019. I joined a local APA league then. I sucked. I struggled and was embarrassed at how bad I was. I started practicing, mostly just hitting balls. I "got" retired by COVID in 2020. So I started being more serious about learning how to play. I devoured videos and websites. I became more active here on AZB, having been a casual lurker here. I've taken some lessons. My first experience with a lesson was probably back in 2019, a respected instructor nearby (no, I won't say who). I went in with a goal to work on my fundamentals, stance, stroke, alignment. Unfortunately, that unnamed instructor gave me like 10 minutes of that topic, then the rest of the session was his formulaic one-size-fits-all plan on drills for speed control, draw, and CB positioning. Not at all what I had wanted to cover. I knew I needed strong fundamentals. I bought Mark Wilson's book.

I've slowly moved up, slowly the operative word. I have met some other helpful players, and have taken lessons from an SL9 and and SL7. I am now an APA SL 5 in both 8 and 9. Last year I played in a single BCA match, so I have a Fargo, 368 based on that single match.

Attached are screen shots of my APA and Fargo history. Note that in 41 8-ball matches and all those racks, I have exactly one (1) BNR, and zero in 9-ball. Zero. I got the the 9-ball twice. Even at home as much as I play I have never run out a 9-ball rack. I play the six-ball ghost. Most days it takes me between 15 and 30 racks to run out, although some days I can run out in two or three tries. My best Bowliards score is like 120, with most games in the 80-90 range.

Here is a link to a YT video recorded today of me desperately trying to eliminate unwanted spin on the CB because of my elbow moving away from my body (ala chicken wing).

My name is Doug Quara. I am a "sr", so on Facebook I'm Doug Quara Sr, hence my AZB name "dquarasr". Feel free to look me up.

I did not disparage another system. I provided feedback from MY PERSPECTIVE, on the effectiveness of a video I was directed to. Based on that video, I concluded CTE is not for me, and I provided reasons I thought so. If we can't disagree and explain what we disagree with on aiming systems, then what good is this forum?

So, I am disappointed you subscribe to conspiracy theories that include me. I ask you, honestly, with these explanations, lifetime stats, Fargo, and honest soul-baring video of how poorly I play the game and struggle to fix my fundamentals, do you still believe I'm anything but a C- player?

Doug

 

[cookie man]

Against my better judgment, I let curiosity get the better of me and checked on how this conversation is going. I am flabbergasted. Also against my better judgment, I feel compelled to respond to these ridiculous assertions.

Spider: what is the air like on the planet you're on?

I'm going to bare it all.

TDLR: accused C- player refutes crap posted.

Here goes:

I may have exaggerated slightly when I said I had been serious only 18 months. It might have been two years. As I mentioned before, I bought a table, a Goldenwest (not anything special by any means) when I was in my 30s. I played sparingly. I played my neighbor maybe four, five, six times a year. Over the years, the table fell into disrepair; the table was outdoors on a covered patio, and humidity ruined the wood finish, with mold growing in the grain.

I played very little. After reconfiguring the porch, I brought the table inside and refinished it myself in 2014 (no, not including cloth and cushions.)

Before and after photos:

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I moved to Mount Dora, FL in 2019. I joined a local APA league then. I sucked. I struggled and was embarrassed at how bad I was. I started practicing, mostly just hitting balls. I "got" retired by COVID in 2020. So I started being more serious about learning how to play. I devoured videos and websites. I became more active here on AZB, having been a casual lurker here. I've taken some lessons. My first experience with a lesson was probably back in 2019, a respected instructor nearby (no, I won't say who). I went in with a goal to work on my fundamentals, stance, stroke, alignment. Unfortunately, that unnamed instructor gave me like 10 minutes of that topic, then the rest of the session was his formulaic one-size-fits-all plan on drills for speed control, draw, and CB positioning. Not at all what I had wanted to cover. I knew I needed strong fundamentals. I bought Mark Wilson's book.

I've slowly moved up, slowly the operative word. I have met some other helpful players, and have taken lessons from an SL9 and and SL7. I am now an APA SL 5 in both 8 and 9. Last year I played in a single BCA match, so I have a Fargo, 368 based on that single match.

Attached are screen shots of my APA and Fargo history. Note that in 41 8-ball matches and all those racks, I have exactly one (1) BNR, and zero in 9-ball. Zero. I got the the 9-ball twice. Even at home as much as I play I have never run out a 9-ball rack. I play the six-ball ghost. Most days it takes me between 15 and 30 racks to run out, although some days I can run out in two or three tries. My best Bowliards score is like 120, with most games in the 80-90 range.
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Here is a link to a YT video recorded today of me desperately trying to eliminate unwanted spin on the CB because of my elbow moving away from my body (ala chicken wing).

My name is Doug Quara. I am a "sr", so on Facebook I'm Doug Quara Sr, hence my AZB name "dquarasr". Feel free to look me up.

I did not disparage another system. I provided feedback from MY PERSPECTIVE, on the effectiveness of a video I was directed to. Based on that video, I concluded CTE is not for me, and I provided reasons I thought so. If we can't disagree and explain what we disagree with on aiming systems, then what good is this forum?

So, I am disappointed you subscribe to conspiracy theories that include me. I ask you, honestly, with these explanations, lifetime stats, Fargo, and honest soul-baring video of how poorly I play the game and struggle to fix my fundamentals, do you still believe I'm anything but a C- player?

Doug

No you can be a c player. That’s not the issue. The review, if that’s what you want to call it, of the video that you had very little time to write included phrases we’ve seen for years and years. Same old opinions from people who post here. But yet you called it your “gut reaction “. Not buying it. Not at all. You had help writing it, plain and simple. If not then all you had to say was “ it’s not for me “ and move along.
Buy the way, I can name off at least 20 people in florida using CTE. Several from florida have taken in person lessons from Stan over the last year. Numerous others before that. And these are not C players but include some very good players. I’m one of them if you ever want to meet at Capone’s in Spring Hill to see it in action let me know.

 

[cookie man]

Against my better judgment, I let curiosity get the better of me and checked on how this conversation is going. I am flabbergasted. Also against my better judgment, I feel compelled to respond to these ridiculous assertions.

Spider: what is the air like on the planet you're on?

I'm going to bare it all.

TDLR: accused C- player refutes crap posted.

Here goes:

I may have exaggerated slightly when I said I had been serious only 18 months. It might have been two years. As I mentioned before, I bought a table, a Goldenwest (not anything special by any means) when I was in my 30s. I played sparingly. I played my neighbor maybe four, five, six times a year. Over the years, the table fell into disrepair; the table was outdoors on a covered patio, and humidity ruined the wood finish, with mold growing in the grain.

I played very little. After reconfiguring the porch, I brought the table inside and refinished it myself in 2014 (no, not including cloth and cushions.)

Before and after photos:

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I moved to Mount Dora, FL in 2019. I joined a local APA league then. I sucked. I struggled and was embarrassed at how bad I was. I started practicing, mostly just hitting balls. I "got" retired by COVID in 2020. So I started being more serious about learning how to play. I devoured videos and websites. I became more active here on AZB, having been a casual lurker here. I've taken some lessons. My first experience with a lesson was probably back in 2019, a respected instructor nearby (no, I won't say who). I went in with a goal to work on my fundamentals, stance, stroke, alignment. Unfortunately, that unnamed instructor gave me like 10 minutes of that topic, then the rest of the session was his formulaic one-size-fits-all plan on drills for speed control, draw, and CB positioning. Not at all what I had wanted to cover. I knew I needed strong fundamentals. I bought Mark Wilson's book.

I've slowly moved up, slowly the operative word. I have met some other helpful players, and have taken lessons from an SL9 and and SL7. I am now an APA SL 5 in both 8 and 9. Last year I played in a single BCA match, so I have a Fargo, 368 based on that single match.

Attached are screen shots of my APA and Fargo history. Note that in 41 8-ball matches and all those racks, I have exactly one (1) BNR, and zero in 9-ball. Zero. I got the the 9-ball twice. Even at home as much as I play I have never run out a 9-ball rack. I play the six-ball ghost. Most days it takes me between 15 and 30 racks to run out, although some days I can run out in two or three tries. My best Bowliards score is like 120, with most games in the 80-90 range.
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Here is a link to a YT video recorded today of me desperately trying to eliminate unwanted spin on the CB because of my elbow moving away from my body (ala chicken wing).

My name is Doug Quara. I am a "sr", so on Facebook I'm Doug Quara Sr, hence my AZB name "dquarasr". Feel free to look me up.

I did not disparage another system. I provided feedback from MY PERSPECTIVE, on the effectiveness of a video I was directed to. Based on that video, I concluded CTE is not for me, and I provided reasons I thought so. If we can't disagree and explain what we disagree with on aiming systems, then what good is this forum?

So, I am disappointed you subscribe to conspiracy theories that include me. I ask you, honestly, with these explanations, lifetime stats, Fargo, and honest soul-baring video of how poorly I play the game and struggle to fix my fundamentals, do you still believe I'm anything but a C- player?

Doug

Are you turning your back foot sideways like Mark Wilson instructs in his book?

 

[Dan White]

Here is a link to a YT video recorded today of me desperately trying to eliminate unwanted spin on the CB because of my elbow moving away from my body (ala chicken wing).

Hi Doug. Play Great Pool is a great book. You are collapsing (dropping) your elbow during the stroke. Keeping my elbow still and high through the shot is possibly the best change I ever made in my game. Stopping the elbow drop is very difficult to do because it requires a change in mindset of how the stroke should feel. "Follow through" does not mean "follow through by dropping your elbow." Start with short, soft shots and gradually increase them. At some point you will feel the urge to drop the elbow. Done correctly, the fixed elbow stroke feels much shorter, even like a jab, although you still want a smooth delivery. While you are at it, practice hitting the cue ball without clenching the cue. We tend to tense up as we hit the ball. Don't do that.

Try those two things and see if your spin issue doesn't disappear.

 

[dquarasr]

No you can be a c player. That’s not the issue. The review, if that’s what you want to call it, of the video that you had very little time to write included phrases we’ve seen for years and years. Same old opinions from people who post here. But yet you called it your “gut reaction “. Not buying it. Not at all. You had help writing it, plain and simple. If not then all you had to say was “ it’s not for me “ and move along.
Buy the way, I can name off at least 20 people in florida using CTE. Several from florida have taken in person lessons from Stan over the last year. Numerous others before that. And these are not C players but include some very good players. I’m one of them if you ever want to meet at Capone’s in Spring Hill to see it in action let me know.

I really wanted to like CTE. It appeals to my attraction to objective methods. But, again, based on my understanding of it, and of using ghost ball since I started playing, and yes, viewing videos from Niels, Sharivari,, a Shortstop on Pool, and others, who don't espouse any particular aiming system, my impressions, SOLELY MY OWN, I (me, myself and I) wrote what I wrote. I communicate well. I write well. I love to write.

I am intelligent (although that might be called into question given I'm perpetuating this debate when I promised myself I wouldn't), and it's not implausible that I can quickly form and document my opinions and observations. Because I agreed with opponents to CTE as posted here and prior for over 20 years, I am lumped in with the "other" crowd (not that I object because so far I agree with them). It is entirely possible, that maybe with a minor unconscious bias and prejudice, I formed these opinions quickly and on my own.

As I watched the video I literally took notes, on each "building block" he placed on the table, and tried to assimilate what he meant. The more blocks he put on the table, the more confounding and convoluted it became to me. Then I wrote what I had written down as I watched the video. I will admit, that BASED ON MY OWN PRECONCEPTIONS, I had a jaundiced eye watching the video, but those preconceptions were pretty much validated as I watched.

Are you turning your back foot sideways like Mark Wilson instructs in his book?

Not all the way to 90 degrees perpendicular to the cue. Probably more like 60 degrees. Do you think that can help with chicken wing? We're diverging from this forum's intended topic. Take my particular problem private? Thanks for the offer to demo CTE, but it's about a 1:45 drive for me. If I'm ever near there, I'll reach out.

I honestly don't think my poor play is aiming. It's stroke delivery and until I can stop missing straight or nearly straight shots, an aiming system (unless it includes alignment, stance, and stroke delivery), won't help me much. I mean, after three or four racks in competition, it's uncanny how many dead-straight-in shots I can miss, even sometimes short ones. Witness the video and the spinning CB even when I pocket a ball.

 

[Island Drive]

In your best interpretation of a professional pool player or professional instructor, PLEASE DEFINE FEEL IN AIMING.

What is it exactly? How is it used in the aiming process? How does it enhance or correct whatever aiming method or system you use?
Does feel work better for some aiming systems and not others? Can feel do more harm than good by sabotaging the aiming system
being used since feel was never factored into it when the system was created and tested? Can feel from one person to another be transferable and taught? Can feel be developed to a higher state and if so, how?

Remember, this has nothing to do with TOUCH/FEEL, meaning how soft or hard to strike the CB or stroke the cue. Only aiming.

Feel in Aiming....haven't read any threads, but it's a good/interesting question.
Here's my perspective/opinion.

Its'....
Knowing when the white ball transitions to a natural rolling ball. With excessive play you begin to ''feel'' that ball/change. Grady Matthews said, you have to hit at least 2 million balls to get the feel..

 

[dquarasr]

Hi Doug. Play Great Pool is a great book. You are collapsing (dropping) your elbow during the stroke. Keeping my elbow still and high through the shot is possibly the best change I ever made in my game. Stopping the elbow drop is very difficult to do because it requires a change in mindset of how the stroke should feel. "Follow through" does not mean "follow through by dropping your elbow." Start with short, soft shots and gradually increase them. At some point you will feel the urge to drop the elbow. Done correctly, the fixed elbow stroke feels much shorter, even like a jab, although you still want a smooth delivery. While you are at it, practice hitting the cue ball without clenching the cue. We tend to tense up as we hit the ball. Don't do that.

Try those two things and see if your spin issue doesn't disappear.

Thanks. I have indeed had some success doing exactly what you mention. As much as it appears otherwise, when I am shooting, even in the shots I took in the video, I was indeed trying to keep my elbow up. Obviously I need to try harder.

 

[Dan White]

Thanks. I have indeed had some success doing exactly what you mention. As much as it appears otherwise, when I am shooting, even in the shots I took in the video, I was indeed trying to keep my elbow up. Obviously I need to try harder.

Keeping that elbow up is not really a natural thing to do, IMO, but it really works for a lot of people. I think keeping the elbow still preempts other bad things from happening.

 

[garczar]

Did you just call yourself a double douche?

quadouche

 

[JoeyInCali]

Keeping that elbow up is not really a natural thing to do, IMO, but it really works for a lot of people. I think keeping the elbow still preempts other bad things from happening.

He needs shooting lessons from a good instructor for sure.
Has no need for twitching aiming systems.
Get on the line and stick.to that line.
PS
I don't really fully agree with no elbow drop.
I think he's slinging it instead of letting the tip go through the cue ball.
But, a qualified instructor really needs to examine his stroke.

 

[vapoolplayer]

You're exactly right. I don't know anything about feel when it applies to the aiming process. My way of playing is it's
ALL visual and trust the eyes since that's how aiming is done.

I also do something you don't because you're a hard-core woke Lib who's afraid of guns and don't want anyone else to have them.

I own guns and shoot them. The only time feel is involved is in a quick draw and fire scenario which isn't very accurate.
That's why all handguns and rifles have SIGHTS. You align your eyes, body and sights directly onto the target, hold it steady,
and pull the trigger. There is NO ADJUSTING and going back and forth with the eyes and head like a LIZARD. The sights and the eyes tell you exactly where you need to be just like any aiming system for pool.

This isn’t true.

Shooting movers is quite a bit by feel if you don’t have the time to time them and calculate speed. In the real world (hunting or work related) you usually don’t have time to do anything except make your best guess on speed and hold. It’s quite a bit by feel. The more you shoot your rifle/ammo, the easier it is.

Judging wind at distance is also quite a bit of feel. You can use a kestrel and such for the wind at the shooter, but you’ll have to use other methods for judging at distance.

You’ll use things you can see such as brush and/or mirage, and based on past experiences make the best call. Which is why they say elevation is science and wind is voodoo.

Also, as far as pistol, if you’re using your sights inside 7yds or so, you’re doing it wrong.


I have no comments on the pool side, as it’s just a shit show about all that here. But your comments on shooting illustrate that you have quite a bit to learn.

~ career mil/le and instructor here

 

[cookie man]

He needs shooting lessons from a good instructor for sure.
Has no need for twitching aiming systems.
Get on the line and stick.to that line.
PS
I don't really fully agree with no elbow drop.
I think he's slinging it instead of letting the tip go through the cue ball.
But, a qualified instructor really needs to examine his stroke.

It’s really funny how you guys can’t give advice without mentioning some kind of twitching aiming system, whatever that is anyways.

 

[Dan White]

He needs shooting lessons from a good instructor for sure.
Has no need for twitching aiming systems.
Get on the line and stick.to that line.
PS
I don't really fully agree with no elbow drop.
I think he's slinging it instead of letting the tip go through the cue ball.
But, a qualified instructor really needs to examine his stroke.

I understand, but it is at least a good diagnostic tool. I think he would benefit from keeping the elbow up throughout the shot.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

This isn’t true.

Shooting movers is quite a bit by feel if you don’t have the time to time them and calculate speed. In the real world (hunting or work related) you usually don’t have time to do anything except make your best guess on speed and hold. It’s quite a bit by feel. The more you shoot your rifle/ammo, the easier it is.

Judging wind at distance is also quite a bit of feel. You can use a kestrel and such for the wind at the shooter, but you’ll have to use other methods for judging at distance.

You’ll use things you can see such as brush and/or mirage, and based on past experiences make the best call. Which is why they say elevation is science and wind is voodoo.

Also, as far as pistol, if you’re using your sights inside 7yds or so, you’re doing it wrong.

Agree 100%. But that situation wasn't brought up nor was anything else you said above. It was a broad-brush statement about sights and aiming. Not specifics for various situations.

I have no comments on the pool side, as it’s just a shit show about all that here. But your comments on shooting illustrate that you have quite a bit to learn.

You don't know what I need to learn, what I own and what I shoot. As far as aiming in pool, go take some lessons.

~ career mil/le and instructor here

My hat is off to you. Too bad too few aren't willing to do likewise for the individuals that really do know what they're using and discussing with a couple of pool aiming systems that they don't have a clue about but continue to belittle.

As a final statement, those that I'm addressing in here are for the largest part anti-gun, non-gun owners, and would like to see
every firearm of any type banned from ownership and personal protection use. I'm pretty sure you don't feel that way, nor I.

How do you feel about THIS? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-vote-bill-banning-assault-weapons/story?id=87628799
I have no idea what the total garbage is in this bill.

 

[dquarasr]

What does gun legislation have to do with CTE or pool?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

What does gun legislation have to do with CTE or pool?

Probably about the same thing a lot of other unrelated posts that are in the aiming forum.

What it had to do with is his qualifications and status in life when it comes to guns. But I guess you don't know what to look for or it went zinging over your head like an ICBM. Are you the official moderator/censor?

Btw...I created and started this thread. Can we call it "my" thread or is it now yours?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

What does gun legislation have to do with CTE or pool?

As demonstrated here? Penis issues.

pj
chgo

 

[SpiderWebComm]

As demonstrated here? Penis issues.

pj
chgo

Now there's something you do know about. CTE? Not at all!

 

[dquarasr]

Probably about the same thing a lot of other unrelated posts that are in the aiming forum.

What it had to do with is his qualifications and status in life when it comes to guns. But I guess you don't know what to look for or it went zinging over your head like an ICBM. Are you the official moderator/censor?

Btw...I created and started this thread. Can we call it "my" thread or is it now yours?

Call it yours. I merely asked what guns have to do with the thread you started.

As I suspected, posting in this thread or anywhere in the aiming section is pretty much pointless. So I will really try to stay out. I’m sure you’ll be glad to be rid of me, the accused imposter. Sigh.

(…..MUST……NOT……RETURN……

…..MUST……NOT……RETURN……

…..MUST……NOT……RETURN……)

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Wow. Just wow. The vitriol in your post is palpably evident. Why so much hate?

As a 66 year old C- player, what do you know about "degrees" and how did it become intuitive at this point?

It's simple geometry. The angle to the pocket supports only a very small variation to pocket a ball in the left, center, or right portions of the opening. Yes, intuitively know that you cannot expect to adjust, pivot, or whatever the hell else you want to call it, once you go beyond a certain point. I can simply look at a shot and know that I can't "get there from here" using 30 degrees as starting point to pocket a 45- to 60-degree angle cut. Can't you?


You would be totally wrong on both the assumption and the "think".

Well, thanks so much for pointing out how wrong I am without offering an explanation. Mighty kind of you.


Again, as a C- player do you even know what to look for. You must watch a lot of pro pool players live or on video as well as having the sharp eye what to look for or think you're looking for.

Again, you could have informed me but you chose not to. Thanks again.


What is it exactly that's being aimed at A, B, or C?

Is this a test?


As a C- player, you're already adjusting and accounting for deflection and swerve? Where did you learn that and who taught you? This sounds exactly like a Pat Johnson thought process which he adds to every shot taken.

Huh? I told you I am analytical. I have grey matter. I tend to be drawn to technical endeavors. I have mostly succeeded with a fair amount of proficiency at most things I've tried, including bowling (my best was a 245-259-300 = 804 series county championship, during a season where I averaged around 210 (no, it's not even close to pro but it's certainly better than the average Joe), autocross (2nd place at a national-level Pro Solo event), track driving (I've instructed at about 120 HPDE track days), and professionally (early in my career when I was programming I have a unique distinction of having written or modified over 1,000 programs WITHOUT THERE EVER BEING A BUG REPORTED AGAINST ANYTHING I INSTALLED IN PRODUCTION, and later did pretty well as a certified Project Management Professional (PMP) as recognized by the international Project Management Institute).

And what the hell does PJ have to do with this?


Like I said, it's NOT for you. Say Adios, Sayonara, or Happy Trails to You, along with a wave of the hand bye-bye.

Oh, you don't have to push me to the door. I thought this excursion was a way to get past this crap show and have a civil conversation where I could honestly post my observations, but no, it turned into yet another attack rather than a helpful response.



Then this is exactly what you need to do.

Indeed. We agree!


Then this isn't for you.

Agreed again.


At your age and stage of development, this is NOT for you. If you really want to get on a fast track for development and improvement, take some in person lessons from a certified instructor who can develop your stroke for consistency beyond were you are. To train your brain for aiming the standard way purchase the Joe Tucker contact point training balls and aiming system.

I have taken lessons. In fact, I scheduled one for this afternoon to help with pattern play and CB positioning choices.


Script says author needs to reveal who he REALLY IS because this isn't coming from some 66 year old fart just taking up the game with the way these points are phrased, analyzed, and claimed as a wrong way to play the game.

I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A WRONG WAY TO PLAY THE GAME. I merely said that based on that video, my observations are that it's not for me.

I knew this was going to be the end result as soon as you made your original "Oh so sincere questions of desire to learn" post.
I don't know if I believe your story above or it's a crock of shit just like all the other crock of shit posters that come in here for the attack on CTE. What you posted is far too detailed and piece by piece picked apart on things a C- player wouldn't even have the knowledge to analyze and you did this in a very short period of time.

Who the hell do you think you are? YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME. I didn't attack CTE. I was referred to a video and asked to review it, which I did honestly.

And here's what I said up front and it especially applies now: #4: "Say screw it...looks like too much work"
That's IT! End of story. It's not for you. Watch what the stock market does all day today instead.

But if you ARE sincere, get involved with the Joe Tucker training method of contact points. Stay away from CTE as well as this section of the forum. It will do you no positive good.

At this point, I don't think there's any advice I would take from you, so yes, ba-bye.

We now return you to your previously-scheduled crap show. I'm out. No more Aiming Conversation / CTE diving for me. Have a wonderful time arguing with everything and everyone.