Ginacue popped over ivory, hopefully much or all fake.
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Omg you remember that? I talk to people about it and they think I'm full of shit.
Those bastards forced Texas to raise the age shortly before my birthday. I was pissed.
Just yesterday I was contacted by another collector about a cue he was finally willing to sell. It happened to be a cue I've coveted for some time but until now, it had not been offered to anyone. The cue has ivory, not a lot, and I know that the ivory was obtained legally years ago and was from a tusk taken by a hunter in 1962. Even so, I had to inform the guy that it was now impossible given that I live in California and the risk too much a pain in the ass to deal with.
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This
This administration also tortured and heavily fined Gibson Guitar one of the oldest companies in America.
This administration also tortured and heavily fined Gibson Guitar one of the oldest companies in America.
The entire situation/transaction occurred and was completed BEFORE june 30.
I was at Ernie's before june 30th when he shared this with me.
Although i prefer not to speculate i think this may be related to the attempted export of the cues. THIS IS PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART, NOTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE. THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER REASON SINCE IT WAS DONE DONE DONE BEFORE JUNE 30.
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Same opinion I have. Very well said and true. Funny how this is all about protecting something that's not in this country or extinct (mastodon ivory) and the government still allows us to legally hunt elephants. What scum government officials are, including all the ones reading this thread go look in the mirror.
according to AP
According to the AP story I read this has zero, nada, nothing, to do with the california law. Movement of ivory between countries that are CITE signees is illegal barring a few exceptions. The people trying to transport to Taiwan were the primary offenders, the fed's charged Ernie with aiding and abetting by selling them the cues with ivory in them.
My guess is that they are claiming that Ernie had foreknowledge that the cues were to be shipped out of the country. Somewhere along the line there has to be some evidence that Ernie knew the intention was to violate the law when he sold them the cues. Even then I have never heard of "aiding and abetting" being a crime.
Not that it seems likely to stop this freight train but again, california law seems to have nothing to do with these charges.
Hu
According to the AP story I read this has zero, nada, nothing, to do with the california law. Movement of ivory between countries that are CITE signees is illegal barring a few exceptions. The people trying to transport to Taiwan were the primary offenders, the fed's charged Ernie with aiding and abetting by selling them the cues with ivory in them.
My guess is that they are claiming that Ernie had foreknowledge that the cues were to be shipped out of the country. Somewhere along the line there has to be some evidence that Ernie knew the intention was to violate the law when he sold them the cues. Even then I have never heard of "aiding and abetting" being a crime.
Not that it seems likely to stop this freight train but again, california law seems to have nothing to do with these charges.
Hu
I take it we are allowed to still fly or travel to other states with cues that have ivory in them for personal use or is that a no no?
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Lotta Chinese-hyphenated-Americans....the law can't pre-judge what Ernie knows.
....I say he beats the beef.
No lol I'm only 32. But I have heard the story from too many people growing up in Louisiana.
Not like it stopped me from drinking at a bar at 18 though lol
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Joey.....I addressed that consideration several weeks ago. As long as the cue-maker has any residency whatsoever, even if he incorporated out of Delaware, the CA ban still obligates him into compliance. It was anticipated when the law was drafted that people might partner with someone out of state or open a shill office in another state or actually open a shop in another state. The cue-maker cannot do any business in CA whatsoever involving the use of ivory even through a subsidiary in another state.......basically, the cue-maker has to relocate.......the law contemplated all of the likely dodges for using ivory. CA cue-makers have to move...relocate to another state if they want to use ivory in their pool cues. There is no other way around the CA ivory ban at the present.
In law the term is: "knew or should have known", both are treated the same.
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If the government wants to know, they will know....one way or another.
I'm quite sure that nobody orders cues worth that much without leaving behind a paper trail and phone call trail.
I don't think the "all Chinese look alike" defense is going to work.
what if the cue maker knowlingly participated an aiding a crime and figured **** it, I'll take my chances and take the cash?
in other words, what if he's guilty as **** despite the claims here to his sainthood ?
in other words, what if he's guilty as **** despite the claims here to his sainthood ?
Then every cue maker is guilty if they ever had foreign customers!
In essence, they are saying that the cue maker has to anticipate what the customer plans to do and go!!!
A huge burden and unrealistic!
Kd
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http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/stories/minnesota-dealer-pleads-guilty-in-ivory-case/5819
Am I reading this one right??? It went from a few hundred to 40-95k worth of ivory? Is that sensationalism?
JV
Am I reading this one right??? It went from a few hundred to 40-95k worth of ivory? Is that sensationalism?
JV
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