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Tommy-D

Tommy-D

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> Back a few weeks ago some bullshit happened to me at one of my local bar tournaments,in fact the only one left in town.

During this tournament,a local I consider an irrelevant meth-head punk was allowed to "scoop" a jump shot on the 8 that won him the game,and starts to loudly run his mouth about how he beat my ass and all this craziness.

I asked him if he wanted to gamble. I made it clear to the entire bar that he's won exactly one tournament his whole life,I've won 60 this year alone so shut the f**k up.

Later on this idiot gets in my face at another bar,threatening he's gonna beat my ass if I talk to him in public like that. I tell him go ahead and try,I'd rather die than be afraid of a zero scumbag.

Since then,I've had something of a losing streak at that tournament.

Opponents running their first racks ever,shots any living human might miss made by bangers,mistakes and bad rolls. Including last night,I was also recovering from a skull fracture.

Now all of a sudden this little group of locals decides to add this.

On a losers side match,my opponent misses 2 wide open balls to scratch on purpose,in an effort to do nothing but make me kick at the 8 and ideally leave him an easy shot to make his last couple and get on the 8. Rather than do that,I shoot this.

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Keep in mind there is no ball in hand here,and for whatever reason I decide to hell with giving him an easy shot or scratching and losing. He misses the tough backwards cut on 3 ball,I win.

I play an opponent for what will be guaranteed 2nd,and a shot at the win which is only thing I care about. Opponent is also same guy that beat me earlier,and already once this game and for 2nd week in a row,shot a ball that went in side pocket and jumped back on table. Opponent moves his ball around and leaves me this. This was my response.

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Once again I decided to hell with giving up an easy shot,so I simply relocate the 8. He winds up making the 12,decides to try to bank his 11 2 rails in the side,misses and leaves me a shot on the 5 to get out.

The next thing I know,I have my opponent from earlier,my current opponent,and the guy that runs the tournament and allowed the scumbag to scoop the cue ball all asking what I'm doing playing N-word pool.

It was all I could do to not call the whole building a bunch of honkeys,LOL.

Tell me what you think...Tommy D.
 
Sounds like you need to find a new place to spend your time before your last brain cell jumps ship at the thought of going back into that bar.

Shoulda asked what that idiot thought was going to happen when he scratched on purpose, that's a b* move he made right there.

Scooping the cue ball.. well, if the tournament director allows that, it kinda speaks for itself.

This is why I don't like bar rules tournaments.. most of the time there are no rules, but people still throw a tantrum about nearly everything. And since there are no written rules, it should come as no surprise that rules will be added on an as-needed basis and can be either temporary or permanent.

I've had some jackass I was playing cheap games with do the roll-behind-a-ball thing.. he's the same arse that throws a fit if he even thinks you weren't trying to make a ball. Needless to say, we don't gamble any more (I don't even think he'll play me either).
 
That's West Tennessee pool Tommy. Knives and guns are next, you're a winner and those drunks can't fade that. Hope you are recovering well.
 
I can certainly relate to your frustration with bangers.....but you are, after all, playing in a tournament that has banger rules. So what exactly do you expect?
 
Damn man, a skull fracture? How did you get that?

I suspect your problem is a concussion and that can take a while to recover from.

Stupid stuff happens in bars. If you are winning most of the time, accept the stupid stuff as the cost of playing there for the long term money you win. Most people in bars don't know squat about the rules and they consider sharking part of the game. Observe the stupidity, take note of it, don't become involved in it.
 
you know i had a smiliar situation as yours, and i moved to another tournament. its important to play by the rules in order to progress in the game... I that situation i was in was about a year ago...i figured i would play these bar idiots and steal because i play real good 8-ball...and i did for several weeks, until that same thing the scooping came into play, and my first tournament there. i got so mad, i wanted to fight. after i calmed down i realize even efren loses to fishes IN TOURNAMENTS. But in the end i really was stealing. so i never went back to that place, and found a new place, but unfortunatly i'm going to have to find another place because the table where we play the finals which is triple shimmed, some idiot took a razor to the cloth, and the own replaced the cloth with 3 cushion cloth because simones or horse cloth is to expensive. thats table is like an ice skate arena. fortunately i got another tourney to go to before the 1 hour drives begin.
 
Something on my mind

You had the right idea, beating them at their own game.
Once you start argueing with idiots you become one.
I have been guilty of this in the past also
 
Pool in bars

Local yokels having their own tournaments can be a real joke. Not really a venue to hang your hat on, but sometimes it may be the only entertainment for a hundred miles. Funniest thing I ever saw was a player that told me I couldn't run into THEIR balls!! Those are my balls and you can't touch them. I think I was allowed to continue shooting because they were schooling me.
 
First off...you knew the rules they had (or lack of) when you entered the tournament. So I'm putting that on you. You knew better, but chose to play anyway. Sometimes you get the rolls, sometimes you dont.

Now, my suggestion to you is:
I doubt that this bar is the only one in town. You'd be wise to find another decent establishment, and talk to the owner about starting your own tournament on a different night. This way, YOU are the one making the rules and enforcing them. I'm positive the owner will welcome this idea with open arms because it draws in BUSINESS. You never know...the guys that show up for your tournament might like the rules better, seeing as its fair for everybody. You could mix it up a little once in awhile to make it interesting...one time its a singles tourny...next time a scotch doubles tourny...then maybe guy/girl partners tourny. Point is: KEEP IT FUN AND SIMPLE, AND PEOPLE WILL COME.
Good luck sir :wink:
 
Its NOT Worth It!!!

One guy wrote on here " There's nothing more dangerous than a bunch of poor people playing pool trying to win money off each other."

To me, a $5.00 game of 8-ball on a bar table is a friendly game for fun. To them, it might be whether their kids eat tomorrow.

People are losing their homes and living in cars right now. I am stuck on 3rd shift with 22 yrs. seniority because of the recession. Me and another player I know were talking about this very thing last night at work. If we lose a few at $5. a game, so what. We play pool for enjoyment. Its my hobby. To some people, there goes the rent money. Granted, they shouldn't play for the rent money, but people do stupid stuff every day. Did you see the guy who took a few shots at his local school board on tv?

I'm not going to get get shot or stabbed over a $5. pool game, so I'm becoming more particular where I play, even if I have to drive a little further. Maybe you should too.
 
I do that stuff all the time in bars. Since they don't play by the rules, I don't either. When questioned about it, I point out that I'm only doing what they do. It only takes about 1.8 seconds for them to realize they're not going to out-tick / out-roll-behind and out-reposition-out-of-position-balls me to death since there's no ball in hand.

Your post made me laugh my ass off because I used to deal with that often before I quit playing in bars in general. People scratching on purpose when your 8-ball is in the kitchen (they did that to me all the time). I even like the 1 rail kick and roll the CB to where it touches one of their balls. Retard-safes that involve your opponents own balls are like FINE WINE --- the look on their face when they're kissing their own ball on a bad shot (should be BIH but it's not) is PRICELESS.

Good post - made me smile. Get creative though!!! If there's no BIH, roll the CB to where they're jammed between their own ball and a rail, titty-hook them, roll them into a center of a cluster --- you get the idea.

I'd have FUN in your bar. After an uprising would ensue, they'd play by the rules and LOVE it.
 
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This is the major reason I don't play pool anymore. The idiotic rules you run into particularly in the taverns is mind boggling.
I remember a game I played in an 8Ball league where one of the rules was "call your shot". In the same game first I shot a
long one down the long rail but since the OB touched the cushion before dropping it was a foul. I didn't call that cushion.
Another shot in the same game there's a ball about a 1-1/4 out from the long rail & about 1/2 diamond from the corner.
My shot is to shoot behind that ball. You guessed it, my OB rocked the obstructing ball before it rattled in. Since I didn't call the
carom I have to sit down. I make a comment about the silliness of their rule, that kissing the ball didn't help the shot. Now
he wants to go outside and fight. Geeeeeezzzzzzzz My opponent was such a joke I still won that game.

Maybe this should go in that other thread on getting or giving big spots. You get 2 innings to my 1.
 
I think the rule allowing you to scratch without giving up ball in hand is worse than the rule allowing scoop jumps. You shot a mouse with a bazooka.

pj
chgo
 
This is the reason I only play in tournaments that have either BCAPL or APA based rules (or, really, any legit league rules).

Gotta love when they say you're playing "N* pool"... Will people ever freaking learn?!?!?

Brian
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I do that stuff all the time in bars. Since they don't play by the rules, I don't either. When questioned about it, I point out that I'm only doing what they do. It only takes about 1.8 seconds for them to realize they're not going to out-tick / out-roll-behind and out-reposition-out-of-position-balls me to death since there's no ball in hand.

Your post made me laugh my ass off because I used to deal with that often before I quit playing in bars in general. People scratching on purpose when your 8-ball is in the kitchen (they did that to me all the time). I even like the 1 rail kick and roll the CB to where it touches one of their balls. Retard-safes that involve your opponents own balls are like FINE WINE --- the look on their face when their kissing their own ball on a bad shot (should be BIH but it's not) is PRICELESS.

Good post - made me smile. Get creative though!!! If there's no BIH, roll the CB to where they're jammed between their own ball and a rail, titty-hook them, roll them into a center of a cluster --- you get the idea.

I'd have FUN in your bar. After an uprising would ensue, they'd play by the rules and LOVE it.
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I concur, 100%.

The rules are, well, the rules. Point out that you are playing exactly like they have been. *N* pool or not, beat them at their own game.

Josh
 
Shortside K said:
I think you all deserve each other...
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Yeah, what Shorty said.

I am so not wandering into a bar and playing local boneheads for money... in their house by their rules.... life is too damn short. I'll play a friendly game with a random guy in a random bar from time to time, but as soon as it becomes clear that we are not playing by some form of standardized rule book that makes sense to me (I carry the BCA book of rules in my bag), I put my cue away and get myself a beer. I have no patience for sore losers and bad sports, and there's just no way in hell that I'd risk my health and well being among shady charactors in a game of street pool for a handful of sweaty dollar bills. I don't stick my tongue into electrical sockets either.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I think the rule allowing you to scratch without giving up ball in hand is worse than the rule allowing scoop jumps. You shot a mouse with a bazooka.

pj
chgo
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In my local bar, they think scooping is perfectly legal and in fact, SKILLFUL. People oooh and ahhhh when someone "jumps" and hits a ball. Ever try to scoop jump? It's like you can't miss. Just play along with their rules... get hooked? Scoop-jump-it-in at will.

I think the best way to address these rule problems within bars (since you'll NEVER convince them that they're CLUELESS on how to play- -- EVER) is to just shut up and play with their crazy rules. The outcome is:

1) You'll never lose a safety battle
2) You'll not only hit every jump, but you'll make a huge % of them - with a bar cue :) :)
3) You'll never allow someone to run out because you'll cluster balls up (any balls) at will
4) You'll never lose, in general
 
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Dammit Tommy, why dont you quit whining you NIT!

haha!
jfwy!

You've told me about those places up there. Sounds like you might just have to take a trip down to play our tournaments!
Every Saturday at The Rack!
 
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