Harriman and schmidt

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Terry Ardeno said:
I find it hard to believe as well. From all the buzz on the board today, I thought something scandalous must have been said or done behind the scenes.

Some small jive talk wrecked your mindset???

How do I say this diplomatically....Danny, you have some very, very well respected members here (Blackjack, JoeyA, etc) always supporting you big time. No matter what you do or say, you seem to always have so many people defending you or speaking on behalf of you. You have a large amount of fans supporting you. When you decide to compete, you have shown an amazing talent on the table. Your skills at pool are upper echelon, to be sure. So, with all the support you have, with all the talent you possess, why is it that, at least in my opinion, you have so many beefs with so many people? You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder at times.

John Schmidt is universally hailed as an epitome of a gentleman in pool circles. He is one of those guys who always seem to do things in a classy manner. Just from what you posted, if that little bit of "smack talk" took you so far out of balance that you reacted as you did, then I think you may have somehow forgotten all the playful banter and big time smack talk that is part and parcel of our great sport. Didn't you ever "woof" at anybody in your whole life as a player? It was never, ever done to you before John insulted your high run??

You didn't get to be a world class player by letting things get in your head.

I don't know you at all other than from what I've read about you here, in the magazines and from the matches I've seen you play in. But from my perspective only, if things go your way, you're fine. If not, you're not.

When Earl does something in response to out and out taunting, he is vilified.

If we were sitting next to each other in a poolroom, and I was able to say something to you, I would put my hand on your shoulder and say "Danny, what's really the matter? You got so many people pulling real hard for you. Fans out the kazoo. All the talent in the world. Why ain't you happy?"

There's people on this forum with CANCER, others who have lost loved ones so dear to them and THEY have great attitudes.

Count your blessings Danny. You have many of them.
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This couldn't be more true. Very, very well said... and very, very true.

Ray
 
derekdisco said:
Just curious, did you guys agree to not use jump cues before the match?
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I was sitting with Big Nasty and he said they agreed to only use the Jump cues for the 10 ball in Louisville at the Qlympics and they agreed to play this past weekend under the same rules. Danny was correct and John did not use the jump cue in the one pocket match and John apologized last night for (as Roger Clemens would say) misremembering about the jump cue usage.:D :D

I personally think Danny did John a favor by not letting him jump the ball as it would have been damn near impossible to jump that shot and keep both the cue ball and the object ball on that very fast and lively table.

-don
 
Did anyone hear John say Danny was acting like a little ***** after he reminded John of the rule he admittedly forgot?

Danny clearly said this happened. John did not deny it in his post.

So if this is true are we chalking that part up to trash talking?
 
Luxury said:
Did anyone hear John say Danny was acting like a little ***** after he reminded John of the rule he admittedly forgot?

Danny clearly said this happened. John did not deny it in his post.

So if this is true are we chalking that part up to trash talking?
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After John broke out the jump cue and headed to the table, Danny called him on it, saying that they had agreed to use jump cues only in the 10 ball, same as in Louisville. At first, John asked Danny if he had it in writing. Then all the TAR guys confirmed that that was the rule in Louisville. After some more back and forth, John said (and this may not be a perfectly accurate quote, but it's awfully close): "Danny, you little *****. You start all this, then you're just gonna say 'go ahead,' you know you will."

My wife even leaned over to me and said: "I thought these guys were professionals."
 
Tristan said:
Let me be the first to happily indorse the EZ-BRIDGE! It can be bought at AZB sponsor PoolDawg.com ("dogs" are out of style, geneticists have now developed "dawgs").

Note: the product description assures prospective buyers that both the APA and BCA approve use of the EZ-BRIDGE. I guess all hell would have broken loose if Schmidt had busted out the EZ along with his jump cue... :eek:
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I was afraid this was a new bridge. What's to stop it from rolling when you stroke the ball? It looks like it will move when you shoot.
 
yes it was his idea to use the phenolic tip pogo stick, and the agreement was that were to only use the jump stick during the ten ball. We argued for maybe 5 minutes straight about our original agreement, he said there was nothing in writing stating to whether or not the jump cues were to be permitted in the ten ball. In other words him winning is more important than sticking to his word, he is a hard character and I realize that knowone is perfect. I think he may have an upper hand on me in the ten ball - as it's not my game of choice, in the other two games he's gambling. If there were to be a rematch I would rather keep the pogo sticks out of the game, a little trash talking is OK however it's unsportsmanlike to throw chalk like he did in Louisville (something the camera might not have picked up) and bicker about rules that have allready been established. Whether or not he wants to shake my hand before the match is his perogative but again it shows a lack of sportsmanship on his part.
I hope everyone understands that pool is not life and death on whether I win or lose but if I do win it won't be cause I tried to shark my opponent.
I don't hate John but he had no right and I mean no right what so ever to say I was acting like a little ***** for not letting him use the jump cue. I don't think he would have used it anyway it was just a way for him to try and get to me. The last time in Louisville he asked to do a $1000.00 saver when and if it were to go two sets a piece, I did this but he did not want me to share this with his backer. We were to play under the same rules as in Louisville ie NO JUMP CUE IN 14.1 OR ONE POCKET but he did not want to do a saver in the rematch. My backer or sponsor will allways know if I'm going to do a saver I can promise the readers that. So I played some great pool and got to be in the limelight but no $, I'm used to this and believe it or not I learned from this but I'm not dissapointed that I did'nt shake his hand, that's not my style to put on the dog if you will.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman
 
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jay helfert said:
I was afraid this was a new bridge. What's to stop it from rolling when you stroke the ball? It looks like it will move when you shoot.
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you have to buy brake pads to go with it, but that will cost you extra.
 
Jay: It's value isn't necessarily in its design or quality, but that it keeps a severly handicapped person in my area playing pool from their wheelchair.

Sure, he bumps balls with that contraption as he plays and can't precisley locate the tip for draw or follow but no one cares because it gives the kid the freedom to play the game he loves.
 
john schmidt said:
i have no hard feelings towards danny.all i can say is my backers and myself incurred thousands in expenses and had to play in his home room.now i would like to invite him to my room of choice.he has first choice to play again.i think hes a great player and im very lucky to have won and thats all can say.now on to the next adventure win or lose.
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Well I think you should up the bet for the rematch!
This could go on for years! S vs H XXIII

BTW nice reply.
 
Noncrookedpool said:
I don't think he would have used it anyway it was just a way for him to try and get to me.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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You knew it and you still let it get you?

Well at least it's nice to know it happens at all levels.;)

Face it, I'm sure, you both hate to lose and sometimes it shows.
I seem to remember John taking off ASAP after your 10ball match not looking to friendly or sport man like.
It's hard to play your ass off and lose but that's the nature of competition.

When is the rematch!!??
 
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Noncrookedpool said:
The last time in Louisville he asked to do a $1000.00 saver when and if it were to go two sets a piece, I did this but he did not want me to share this with his backer. We were to play under the same rules as in Louisville ie NO JUMP CUE IN 14.1 OR ONE POCKET but he did not want to do a saver in the rematch. My backer or sponsor will allways know if I'm going to do a saver I can promise the readers that. Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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My backer or sponsor will allways know I can vouch for Danny's character on this - although I don't think he needs it.

I have told this story before. I took a share of the stake of Danny in the banks ring game at the DCC two years ago. Danny stopped by St Louis on his way to pick up the $$$. I never talked to him about savers. If you remember, Danny was steam rolling the ring game & it came down to him & Shannon. Due to time restraints (which is ridiculious & another issue), the game changed to the players being 'all in' on every game. Danny lost.

Scottster called me to give me the final update & I asked if Danny had made a saver. Scottster said he wasn't sure but didn't think so. 10 minutes later Danny called me to say that he had made a saver & when I got to Louisville, he would have my share of the $$$. Now how many pool players would have been honest with me about that? You can put Danny on the list. You can put the kid next to me in the picture on the above left on the list. But from the quote above did not want me to share this with his backer, if that is true - well, what else can you say about that :eek:
 
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I just wanted to say that on the third day I thought of action I thought John would apolagize for his behavior as in sometimes in the heat of battle we say things we don't mean. But there was no apalogy and he was definitely in the wrong about arguing over rules that had allready been established. I warned him not to call me that again and spoke some words that I didn't mean, I have respect for John's game and I realize the more I say the more it looks like I'm crying. Overall i guess he can't control what he says, talking trash while your opponent is not down on the ball is OK but questioning the integrity of my word as a gentlemen is not. If he was trying to shark me then he went about it in a very intelligent way, my word is my bond and he may have known that by arguing with me in front of everyone on the validity of whether jump cues were to be permitted would be in his favor. If you read this post John undrestand that I would have never said anything about the saver in Louisville had you not pulled your little stunt about "Do you have it in Writing that were not supposed to use jump cues" and "your acting like a little *****." Those were antics that we could have done without, so since you broke your verbal agreement with me I broke my verbal agreement with you about your little $1000.00 saver and believe me folks it was his idea to do the saver in Lousville not mine. I just wanted my room and gas expense paid and a chance to play who I thought was a champion.
If he ever wants to let the ten ball go and replace it with full rack bumps he can win some serious cash, and I guess since his memory is so poor we will have to put the rules in writing like some sort of stupid legal document between two people who can't trust each other. But Chad and Justin undersood the rules and so did John. Hell I'll even go to California and play him if you throw the Banks in the picture, as far as him calling me a little ***** well that was just a careless thing to say on his part - (thats on him) as I did nothing to provoke that. However i don't think it would have mattered on the outcome of the One Pocket I played my best it just was not good enough. I would also be interested in just playing One Pocket with him on my own $ even up and three foul rule included and of course no jump cues but that - might be gambling a little too much for him. This way we have the rules clarified and knowone needs to shake hands just the way he likes it.


Sincerely, Danny Harriman
 
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2nd set is over and the match is still going, its all good! U guys have to save ur rumbling for your next pre set hype! ;) Sounds like two different personalities clashing which is normal.
 
Now THIS is starting to sound like a way to make some money for the male pros on TV!

Make it more like the WWF feuds where the crowd really wants to see them go at it.

If the players would have been mic'd at the Mosconi Cup then they could be having an ESPN grudge match between Strickland and Peach.

I know the TAR didn't think of creating bad blood but if they had thought of it and the players were willing to go along with it. It would be genious.
 
=)

Noncrookedpool said:
I just wanted to say that on the third day I thought of action I thought John would apolagize for his behavior as in sometimes in the heat of battle we say things we don't mean. But there was no apalogy and he was definitely in the wrong about arguing over rules that had allready been established. I warned him not to call me that again and spoke some words that I didn't mean, I have respect for John's game and I realize the more I say the more it looks like I'm crying. Overall i guess he can't control what he says, talking trash while your opponent is not down on the ball is OK but questioning the integrity of my word as a gentlemen is not. If he was trying to shark me then he went about it in a very intelligent way, my word is my bond and he may have known that by arguing with me in front of everyone on the validity of whether jump cues were to be permitted would be in his favor. If you read this post John undrestand that I would have never said anything about the saver in Louisville had you not pulled your little stunt about "Do you have it in Writing that were not supposed to use jump cues" and "your acting like a little *****." Those were antics that we could have done without, so since you broke your verbal agreement with me I broke my verbal agreement with you about your little $1000.00 saver and believe me folks it was his idea to do the saver in Lousville not mine. I just wanted my room and gas expense paid and a chance to play who I thought was a champion.
If he ever wants to let the ten ball go and replace it with full rack bumps he can win some serious cash, and I guess since his memory is so poor we will have to put the rules in writing like some sort of stupid legal document between two people who can't trust each other. But Chad and Justin undersood the rules and so did John. Hell I'll even go to California and play him if you throw the Banks in the picture, as far as him calling me a little ***** well that was just a careless thing to say on his part - (thats on him) as I did nothing to provoke that. However i don't think it would have mattered on the outcome of the One Pocket I played my best it just was not good enough. I would also be interested in just playing One Pocket with him on my own $ even up and three foul rule included and of course no jump cues but that - might be gambling a little too much for him. This way we have the rules clarified and knowone needs to shake hands just the way he likes it.


Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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How can you ask him to play banks with you? Thats just a nit move on your part.. I think you guys should play a 1000 or 1500 straight pool match for the money and the pride.. That seems like a fair match..
 
Luxury said:
Now THIS is starting to sound like a way to make some money for the male pros on TV!

Make it more like the WWF feuds where the crowd really wants to see them go at it.

If the players would have been mic'd at the Mosconi Cup then they could be having an ESPN grudge match between Strickland and Peach.

I know the TAR didn't think of creating bad blood but if they had thought of it and the players were willing to go along with it. It would be genious.
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maybe thats just what there doing ;)
 
I think you guys need to move this to the next level.....S/H III on the bowling lanes!....then to the dart board......then the shuffleboard!

seriously, I think we forget these Champs are GAMBLING! during which we talk smack!, try to get the upper hand, needle, prod, insult, and shake hands at the end of the match.

All is EVEN at this point....I'm ready for the next installment....the TAR crew is triple smart!:D

G.
 
Well, you mentioned the jump cue ordeal in your post match interview. But everyone is forgetting that John bellyached about the sharking move you pulled in the straight pool (complaining about the rack and throwing John out of his rhythm). John missed the very next shot after that and blamed his straight pool loss on that.

So it seems you guys are dead even as far as matches, games, sharking, and complaining in post-match interviews goes.

Dead even accross the board in my book.
 
Noncrookedpool said:
When john and I were going over the details of our rematch he said I heard you ran 280, and then he said don't be my 403 ***** (female dog.) Well I mulled over this for a while and finally called him and asked him why he called me a *****. His reply was that he was just joking, and if that bothered me then I needed therapy. Going into the second day at the beginnig of our one-pocket match it's customary to shake hands, you know what does not make sense is in Reno at the IPT when Johnny Archer would not shake my hand after I handed him his defeat and knowone said he had an excuse for losing cause he did not like the rules they just said I was his monkey man. Well hill hill in the one pocket between Scmidty and I he went for the jump cue - - now the people at home don't know what was said but he told me I was acting like a little *****- all because I wanted to play under the rules that we agreed upon. All of the sudden he thought we used jump cues in Louisville for the One Pocket, this was a fib just like when he said he forgot to shake my hand at the beginning of our one pocket match. John out played me on the ten ball and that is that- my game is more geared towards 14.1 and the One Pocket anyhow. Personally I thought he was acting like a little ***** for wanting to change the rules, and questioning our verbal agreement during play. This all did create an excuse for me to get angry unfortunately and show my ass which is what he wanted.
I apolagize to the Action Report and any viewers for my behaviour, Buddy Hall told me once it's not the eyes that go first it's the nerves.

Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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Danny, you are unfortunately a nice guy in a business that does not reward nice guys. What I wonder is why do smart, friendly guys like you get hooked up in a game that brings the worst out of most of the players? When somebody is playing and it's his rent, food, drug money in the balance, don't be surprised to not get a hand shake or"well played".
 
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