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cbi1000 said:
What if he gets there and someone else decides to make him a better deal? They will pay the $1000 and only wants 35% of the winnings? Will he refund your money and take the better deal? HELL YES! I’ve even heard he’s done that exact same thing. Who’s going to make sure he doesn’t drink to much? I could go on and on why giving someone else money who may or may not ever have your best interest in mind is in my opinion is crazy.

I don't know John, i have never met him.
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Strong statement for someone who "doesn't know John"... Got anything to back it up??
I sent in my C note.
I was the first to respond on the thread with the offer. I guess that makes me a sucker.... Well sir, guilty as charged, but I'm going to enjoy watching my horse run (No offense John for the horse comment)

McCue Banger McCue
 
cbi1000 said:
I want to know who is going to baby sit John? What’s going to happen if John get a “good” deal to gamble and then stays up all night playing someone and then wins some cash. Then he is to tired to play well in the tourney and looses. Is this fair to the 10 people who paid money? NOPE! What if he gets there and someone else decides to make him a better deal? They will pay the $1000 and only wants 35% of the winnings? Will he refund your money and take the better deal? HELL YES! I’ve even heard he’s done that exact same thing. Who’s going to make sure he doesn’t drink to much? I could go on and on why giving someone else money who may or may not ever have your best interest in mind is in my opinion is crazy.
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With regards to the above quote - here's a link to an AZB thread from just around a year ago. I recall it as it was one of the first drama-ridden threads I read when I registered.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25767

I'm not voicing any opinion on the contents of it, one way or another (aside from it being drama-ridden :D) by posting this link.
 
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Nice

Tap Tap Tap ScottW.

I find if funny to the people who get all worked up.

I said i thought it was crazy and posted my reasons. It doesn't matter who the "player" is.

Nothing more nothing less.
 
cbi1000 said:
...But i did find it very funny that a guy who wins all this money and sells his video for way too much money needs to beg for cash online.
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Beg? Looked to me like he threw out an offer, and volunteers were lining up around the block to accept that offer. :confused:

By the way, how much are you selling your 245-ball-run DVD for? :rolleyes:
 
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rayjay said:
This is a tight-knit forum where most folks come to know and trust (or distrust) others over time. On several occasions, regular members have banded together to support a cause, usually related to pool or some other worthy event, like sending billiard equipment to soldiers in Iraq. If you don't want to participate, then just close the thread. I, personally, can understand the dual reasoning behind this support...it both helps someone worthy of the help and creats excitement for pool fanatics, like me. Sorry I got in too late...would have been fun! :p
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Tap-tap! A car guy forum I belong to banded together to support the widow of a member who died. His "project" car got finished by the board. Some of us gave money, others donated parts, others their skilled labor. A lot of trust involved in the project, it took over a year, and it all worked out wonderfully in the end.

Nice to know that this board works in the same way...I'm a newbie, but I'll stick around. :)
 
ScottW said:
With regards to the above quote - here's a link to an AZB thread from just around a year ago. I recall it as it was one of the first drama-ridden threads I read when I registered.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25767

I'm not voicing any opinion on the contents of it, one way or another (aside from it being drama-ridden :D) by posting this link.
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See post number one of this thread. It was started by the same guy that started the thread posted above.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=531877&highlight=john#post531877

Post #17, same poster as above but a little more informative than the link I posted above.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=544063&highlight=john#post544063

This one is for poolchic who thinks John is an "idiot at managing his money". See post # 46, again, authored by Southpaw
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=633873&highlight=john#post633873

Please see posts numbers 17 & 25 by southpaw
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=56231&page=2&highlight=john
 
cbi1000 said:
I want to know who is going to baby sit John? What’s going to happen if John get a “good” deal to gamble and then stays up all night playing someone and then wins some cash. Then he is to tired to play well in the tourney and looses. Is this fair to the 10 people who paid money? NOPE! What if he gets there and someone else decides to make him a better deal? They will pay the $1000 and only wants 35% of the winnings? Will he refund your money and take the better deal? HELL YES! I’ve even heard he’s done that exact same thing. Who’s going to make sure he doesn’t drink to much? I could go on and on why giving someone else money who may or may not ever have your best interest in mind is in my opinion is crazy.

I don't want to make a big deal out of it at all. I don't know John, i have never met him. But i did find it very funny that a guy who wins all this money and sells his video for way too much money needs to beg for cash online. To me that is funny as sh#$. This is one reason why pool will never become a big time sport. Most all the pros in the sport for the most part are dogs. Me Me Me. Why don't they put up there own money and try to make a go of it. I bet i could play 10x better in a tourny if i didn't have to worry about winning. But when my rent money is on the line i have way more to loose.

This is why I am thinking this is crazy. All of you have your own money to do what you want to and I’m cool with that. I’m just saying I’d never do it.
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So, if Efren Reyes said to you " hey you wanna put me in the VF tourney?" would you? Ofcourse you would. Its the same thing here. And, as for John's character when playing in these events....well just ask Purdman how it worked out last year when he "sponsored" him in the U.S. Open.

Southpaw
 
ScottW said:
With regards to the above quote - here's a link to an AZB thread from just around a year ago. I recall it as it was one of the first drama-ridden threads I read when I registered.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25767

I'm not voicing any opinion on the contents of it, one way or another (aside from it being drama-ridden :D) by posting this link.
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FOR THE RECORD... Regarding the link in the above post.

Mr. Schmidt (John), has satisfied all debts regarding the link is has been welcomed back to the Viking Tour.
See Link http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=3945


Note: John, good luck at VF, I wish you the best.
Also, I wish I got involved with this thread earlier because you definately would have gotten my hundred as an investment towards your ability to win this event.

Can I still get in ?

Mj
 
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Ignorance Is Bliss!!!

cbi1000 said:
This is crazy to me. I can appreciate all the help fellow AZB’ers are doing here for a guy many say is “nice”, “great for the game”, and so on. BUT, this still drives me crazy and here is why.

John has won all this money in other tournaments he’s won or finished in the cash. WHERE IS THE MONEY?

John sells his straight pool video for something crazy like $39.99. Again, WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Sponsors? He doesn’t have a single one? If he has at least one, then WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Most pros give lessons and I’m guessing John does too, again, WHERE IS THE MONEY?

All you guys are willing to put up some cash to a guy most of you really don’t know. How do you know he’s not just like the bum on the corner of the road with a sign stating he’s homeless and needs cash? Do you open your window and give that guy $100? I’m guessing not because you probably think he put himself in that position. At least that guy doesn’t have any income what so ever. John on the other hand has an income and yet still cant come up with a $1000 bucks? WHAT? Come on!!

Would you give other PRO athletes your money?

I’m not saying John isn’t a nice guy or that he doesn’t know how to manage his money
(ok, maybe just a little), however I am saying is there are tens of thousands of other people out there who need the money more then John does and I sure hope many of you are just as eager to help them. Remember you also get a tax deduction if you donate cash, items, or time to charity.
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Well my miss informed friend, here is your guarentee. If John changes his mind and refunds everybody's money and still plays, I will contribute a $6,600 Bludworth Custom Cue with 228 inlays of Ivory, Ebony, Malichite and Snakewood to the charity of your choice. I will also include a brand new Whitten 1x2 case with Blud's name on it! We will sell the cue here on Az for the best offor. If you would like to see the cue, search "Bluds Worth" here on the forum. I know that John just got a fat IPT check and does not need a stake. I do know that he is an honorable guy and will do exactly what he says he will do. I know, I know, I am crazy too.
Don "Purdman" Purdy ;)
:D 2006 US Open 9 Ball Champions Stakehorse :D
 
Faith in human nature and a desire to be helpfull will always pay off in peace and happiness.

Those who operate from a basis of fear, negativity and distrust will never find one moment of peace and happiness. That's just the way life works.
 
JimS said:
Faith in human nature and a desire to be helpfull will always pay off in peace and happiness.

Those who operate from a basis of fear, negativity and distrust will never find one moment of peace and happiness. That's just the way life works.
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I tried to give you a rep my friend but can't. Life is unbelievable when we face our deepest fears and realize that love conquers all. Darkness and light can not exist together. I am delighted to find another enlightened pool player. There are many of us here and many more in the making. All it required is a change in our perception from fear based to love based. Keep planting them seeds here. This is very fertile groung.
Peace Bro, Purdman
 
Purdman said:
I tried to give you a rep my friend but can't. Life is unbelievable when we face our deepest fears and realize that love conquers all. Darkness and light can not exist together. I am delighted to find another enlightened pool player. There are many of us here and many more in the making. All it required is a change in our perception from fear based to love based. Keep planting them seeds here. This is very fertile groung.
Peace Bro, Purdman
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Don't worry, Purdman, I got it. Rep for Jim S!

(I might have to spread some rep around first, though!)
 
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cbi1000 said:
This is crazy to me. I can appreciate all the help fellow AZB’ers are doing here for a guy many say is “nice”, “great for the game”, and so on. BUT, this still drives me crazy and here is why.

John has won all this money in other tournaments he’s won or finished in the cash. WHERE IS THE MONEY?

John sells his straight pool video for something crazy like $39.99. Again, WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Sponsors? He doesn’t have a single one? If he has at least one, then WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Most pros give lessons and I’m guessing John does too, again, WHERE IS THE MONEY?

All you guys are willing to put up some cash to a guy most of you really don’t know. How do you know he’s not just like the bum on the corner of the road with a sign stating he’s homeless and needs cash? Do you open your window and give that guy $100? I’m guessing not because you probably think he put himself in that position. At least that guy doesn’t have any income what so ever. John on the other hand has an income and yet still cant come up with a $1000 bucks? WHAT? Come on!!

Would you give other PRO athletes your money?

I’m not saying John isn’t a nice guy or that he doesn’t know how to manage his money
(ok, maybe just a little), however I am saying is there are tens of thousands of other people out there who need the money more then John does and I sure hope many of you are just as eager to help them. Remember you also get a tax deduction if you donate cash, items, or time to charity.[/Q


No one asked you for a dime did they? you act like it was your money. These people are all grown and love this sport so I think you don't get it and never will. I was going to say some other things but don't want to get banned.
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My Dear John Letter! ;)

Dear John,

Please understand that the positives far out weigh the negatives in this thread. Please do not respond to the troublesome few about any of the garbage. I am embarrassed enough that some actually post the horrible, stupid stuff, instead of showing the respect you have earned. As anyone can state their opinions, just let them be that and nothing else. Consider the source. We love our freedom of speech and by golly we all are using it. Please don't look at this as fighting among members....think of it as, "An Educating of the Nits." Please know that we are having fun and the damn thing hasn't even started yet. ;)

Thanks John for letting us get in the game!
 
From thread- My view on how low Pro Payouts are by Russ Chewning

john schmidt said:
you know russ this thing between me and you is not about money.its the fact that some people play light years better than you and you cant stand it.so to make yourself feel better you say things like , i make more money than you.their is people who have tons of heart and talent and they go out on the world stage and prove it to themselves and the world that they are gifted.then theres guys like you who put a table in their home and hide and tell themselves and others they can win big tourneys lol. you know what russ you can have all the money in the world and you still can not buy greatness.also i have a news flash for you .if you knew how much ive made over the last 10 years of loafing as you called it on the road and in tourney play ,lessons,dvd sell ,you would be sick.you know why because you would see i make as much or more than you and play light years better.lol p.s. im going to bed now and you know what you are gonna do,your going to set there and try to write something to make me feel inferior to you.but you cant you wanna know why .because i would not trade being me over being you in a million years.by for now wannabe
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Maybe Russ was right??? I'm sure he wouldn't be asking for anyone to back him. (Okay, who is going to be the first smarta** to say "that is because nobody would"?)

I will say that this is something that would be really fun to me. I love to gamble and would get a kick out of having a "horse in the race". Would I be doing it to help out John? Hell no, from what he wrote above, he shouldn't need my help unless something has happened recently. I would do it because I would enjoy it. But I would be more than happy to help someone if I thought they needed it and deserved it. From his responses on here, I don't think John qualifies for either of those reasons. I might have given a $100, but it would have been for my own enjoyment.

Just my 2 cents.

Nathan
 
tk_it_ez said:
From thread- My view on how low Pro Payouts are by Russ Chewning




Maybe Russ was right??? I'm sure he wouldn't be asking for anyone to back him. (Okay, who is going to be the first smarta** to say "that is because nobody would"?)

I will say that this is something that would be really fun to me. I love to gamble and would get a kick out of having a "horse in the race". Would I be doing it to help out John? Hell no, from what he wrote above, he shouldn't need my help unless something has happened recently.

I would and have and it was not a gamble to me. It was my pleasure to help one of the best players out. Gambling puts an emphsis (sp) on a particular outcome. That is why you are a looser in that area and why you say "Hell No". You operate out of fear of not having enough. I operate from the point of living life more abundantly thru faith. So I say "Heaven Yes". You my son will understand this one day. Then you will have the keys to the Kingdom and access to the Throne like I do. I am not trying to admonish you, I am trying to enlighten you. Explain to you the error of your way so that you also might open your heart and try to help somebody besides yourself. You see, I have found that the more you give away, the more you will recieve. I back this up with deeds and reap the rewards without Attachment to any particular outcome. Peace My Bro, Purdman
:D 2006 US Open 9 Ball Champions Stakehorse
I would do it because I would enjoy it. But I would be more than happy to help someone if I thought they needed it and deserved it. From his responses on here, I don't think John qualifies for either of those reasons. I might have given a $100, but it would have been for my own enjoyment.

Just my 2 cents.

Nathan
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Now you have made yourself the JUDGE here. That is one heck of a responsibility Nathan. There are bilions on the planet waiting for your JUDGEMENT. How about giving me mine now.;)
 
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The only thing I don't understand is john saying how much money he's made off of pool, coming off of a US open win and selling videos and what not, and then needing someone else to put up $1000 for one of his tournies?

I'd love to stake a percentage of it if I had the cash, and I know pros don't make that much, but its only $1000 and he just won the us open and is responding on this thread saying how much he's made and is making off of pool including videos etc. In addition, does he not make money off of gambling or anything else?

I don't see any other pros on here asking to be staked. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it or that he doesn't necessarily need it, but from what I'm seeing, it just doesn't make much sense.. Offering half of his winnings to someone else in big tournies simply for the entry fee..

If you could make me understand, that'd be great.
 
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The only thing I don't understand is john saying how much money he's made off of pool, coming off of a US open win and selling videos and what not, and then needing someone else to put up $1000 for one of his tournies?

I'd love to stake a percentage of it if I had the cash, and I know pros don't make that much, but its only $1000 and he just won the us open and is responding on this thread saying how much he's made and is making off of pool including videos etc. In addition, does he not make money off of gambling or anything else?

I don't see any other pros on here asking to be staked. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it or that he doesn't necessarily need it, but from what I'm seeing, it just doesn't make much sense.. Offering half of his winnings to someone else in big tournies simply for the entry fee..

If you could make me understand, that'd be great.
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Giving John the benefit of the doubt...it takes money to live. $10,000 really won't take you too far in this economy.
 
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