How do you get off the end rail

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3RAILKICK

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and head up table with the cb when both cb and ob are frozen to the end rail.


for instance:

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Can you get uptable? I can't. Any suggestions? How far uptable is a reasonable goal to work on?

What changes to each ball position would make for a doable shot/and what positions would make it impossible?

thanks for any suggestions
 
With the cue pointing somewhat in the direction of the short rail, using 7:30, 9 and 10:30. Also Allen Hopkins shot this with cue elevated so after contact with 8-ball the cue ball jumps in the air hits the edge of cushion and rolls down the table.
 
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Wolven said:
With the cue pointing somewhat in the direction of the short rail, using 7:30, 9 and 10:30. Also Allen Hopkins shot this with cue elevated so after contact with 8-ball the cue ball jumps in the air hits the edge of cushion and rolls down the table.
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i shoot this shot alot but only on bar box try shooting this shot with low left an draw out of it see if u can do it on the big table GoodLuck
 
robleyf7 said:
i shoot this shot alot but only on bar box try shooting this shot with low left an draw out of it see if u can do it on the big table GoodLuck
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I only play on big tables. Getting the CB around 2nd - 3rd diamond on top right of the table is not a problem with low left but I would rather jump the CB and go off the cushion.
 
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Throw the OB into the pocket by hitting the OB slightly to the right of the actual 'cut' angle with extreme low left. The extreme left will throw the 'incorrectly' cut ob into the correct path for the pocket, and hitting to the right of the correct cut will allow the CB to draw back to the right of the bottom left corner pocket.
dave
 
I know how I would shoot it with a conventional shaft.

3RAILKICK said:
and head up table with the cb when both cb and ob are frozen to the end rail.


for instance:

CueTable Help



Can you get uptable? I can't. Any suggestions? How far uptable is a reasonable goal to work on?

What changes to each ball position would make for a doable shot/and what positions would make it impossible?

thanks for any suggestions
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I'm pretty sure how I would shoot it with the 314-2 predator. I would shoot it different with a conventional shaft. .


With the predator i would shoot it with little high with alot of right English. Pop it kind of hard and make it hop a little. this will allow the cue ball to go right a little and then spin off the rail up to the other end.

This will work but you have to hit it almost straight on but just a hair to the right of center. Just a hair.

That's with the laminated shaft.

Tough shot though..............
 
The by far coolest way to do this is the after-collision-masse. But to do that full table you have to put quite a stroke on that.
In any important game I think I would opt for draw and left, as that would seem to impart the best spin to cheat the pocket.
 
FYI,

Several position-control options for straight-in shots, including shots close to a rail, are demonstrated here:

The "hop-the-cue-ball-off-the-cushion-nose" option is shown (with super slow motion) at about 1:10 in the video.

Regards,
Dave

3RAILKICK said:
and head up table with the cb when both cb and ob are frozen to the end rail.


for instance:

CueTable Help




Can you get uptable? I can't. Any suggestions? How far uptable is a reasonable goal to work on?

What changes to each ball position would make for a doable shot/and what positions would make it impossible?

thanks for any suggestions
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Minor differences in either ball position, as well as the distance between the balls and from the object ball to the pocket can either make this shot easier or near impossible. Like I tell people that I try to help out, there are varying degrees of being straight in...

That being said, the usual methods would be low outside, high inside, rail first, jump off the nose of the cushion, or full hit masse. If the balls are both truly frozen, at that distance trying to hit into and compress the cushion would be very difficult if not impossible, probably table dependent, so might just be a position where you would have to play safe or make the 8 and bank or play safe on the 9.

Scott
 
3RAILKICK said:
and head up table with the cb when both cb and ob are frozen to the end rail.


for instance:

CueTable Help




Can you get uptable? I can't. Any suggestions? How far uptable is a reasonable goal to work on?

What changes to each ball position would make for a doable shot/and what positions would make it impossible?

thanks for any suggestions
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I am usually able to get half-way up with low left and a small rail first hit ( low left masses the ball a bit on the way so you are coming in at an angle to get off the rail), in a game I'd probably play for a bank or a "send the balls to opposited ends" safe off the 9. Usually for the bank though, why give the oponent a shot to win the game.
 
play safe. hit a quarter ball on the right side and send the cue up near the nine. with the object ball near the long rail across from where it is now.
 
Massey

stouter2386 said:
Mike Massey used to do this shot in his exibitions.
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I've seen Massey do this shot many times. The last time, he drew it 5 rails and back into the corner pocket. So, getting it up table is not that difficult. He does it with draw at 7 or 5 o'clock depending which direction you're facing. And you're aiming right at where the ball and rail touch.
 
Shot

A good player would never let himself get straight in like that, he would always keep an angle on the ball. Anyway, you have to slide the ball in off the rail to create angle for the cue ball to get it going towards the other end.
 
jump shot with right english. cue ball will bounce off the end rail and head straight down table.
 
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