How good did Jay play?

jay helfert

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Another recent thread on here was demeaning to Freddie and made me decide to put this information on here before I too get bombed from the rear.

I am officially the Bob Uecker of Pool. I was barely on the radar when I played. My poolroom was always a "spot" for all roadmen to stop and try to get pumped up. I am proud to say that I was a lifetime "shortstop", never destined for greatness in anyone's book. That was not all bad though. To be called a shortstop meant that you could play. Maybe a couple of balls below the top players but so what.

I make no claims to pool greatness, but do consider myself a decent player who was willing to mix it up with other non champions. Like Freddie I have a few notches on my belt, with wins over good players. Mostly these came in tournaments where the matches are relatively short. But I also have beaten hundreds (yes I said hundreds) of other lesser players in poolrooms and bars across America. And I ain't done yet. So be careful who you bark at.

Typically, wherever I lived and hung out, I was the best player around. So when a good player came to town, they called me. If I didn't know him I would play him, and more often then not I did okay. If I knew him to be a top player, I either took a pass or asked for weight. Not so hard to figure out. I would get the 7 ball from strong players and the 5 or 6 from top players. At One Pocket, I would play strong players with 8-6 or 9-7 and the champions with 9-6 or 8-5. Ronnie gave me 8-4, and I could hold my own.

Bank Pool was a little different. That was my "road" game. When all else failed, I would try to get my man to play some Banks. At this game, I had a reputation. I beat quite a few good players, some of them "names". Unlike Freddie, I will not put those names on here. No reason to do that. They are all better players then me. I just happened to catch them on an off day.

I remember many players I beat, but many more I have forgotten. Sometimes I have been at a tournament and some guy comes up to me and asks me If I remember him. I usually don't. Then they tell me we played somewhere. My stock answer is "How much did it cost me?" That usually elicits a laugh, and they tell me I won.

So my secondary purpose in posting this, is to hear from some of the guys I played. If any of you are on here, give me a shout.
 
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i couldnt read that long post,

but Jay plays better than most and not as good than some.
 
Jay,

I can honestly say you were one of the best I never seen. I had heard of you for years but I still have never seen you stroke a ball. I may get the opportunity to become a "notch on the belt" if you get some down time in Louisville this year.

Respectfully,
D
 
Stop it Jay! you and I both know how good you played .Did'nt you beat Gabby? I don't even play close to my late friends speed, so you know if you and I would ever match up,I would need at least 10-7.
 
Blackjack said:
Jay, Is it true that you gave Dr. Phil the 8?

As soon as I saw this I started to think that maybe Jay had a little heart. Then he turned around and asked for the breaks from Oprah. I overheard her call him a nit. Jay almost had him a whale.
 
Simple, like all of us who were in it for the cash, a ball better than we want people to think.
 
hemicudas said:
Simple, like all of us who were in it for the cash, a ball better than we want people to think.
hemi did you ever live in ga? you look like i guy i used to play from down around columbus area.
 
dimes33 said:
hemi did you ever live in ga? you look like i guy i used to play from down around columbus area.

Nope, wasn't me, Dimes. I have heard there were a couple of guys who could put a rack together that looked as good as me though.
 
hemicudas said:
Simple, like all of us who were in it for the cash, a ball better than we want people to think.

Good answer, Hemi.

I've seen Jay around Southern Cal for what seems like forever and I've rarely seen him play. Instead, I'm used to seeing him run tournaments. This is all news to me that he is/was shortstop speed. I had no idea he liked banks. You can learn so much from this forum.
 
jay helfert said:
I am proud to say that I was a lifetime "shortstop", never destined for greatness in anyone's book.
Shortstop is very respectable and a very strong player, as long as you don't bark at "shortbus" Russ... Although I would pay to see a match between you and Russ...lol.

Not sure if this is the exact quote, but it was something to this effect...

"You had better pray to god that you play stronger than a shortstop if you are going to bark at me." from Russ Chewning (aka Pogue).
 
Jay:

Stop in at Danny's for the straight pool tourney on Saturday. Like to meet you even if you can't stay.
 
Jay back at Ye Billiard Den in the late 60's you were always nice to me a novice then. Marvin Henderson,Diliberto, Bernie Schwartz,Cuban Joe, Lenny Moore, Ronnie Allen, Pancho, Richie Ambrose, Cecil, etc were all there. You were no threat to them but you were always a gentleman and willing to share your knowledge of the game. I saw you eventually become a ref and a class promoter. The thing I hate to see is that some guys forget the past and start creating their own legendary myths. You know I beat this champion and this champion and then I had a bad day and broke even with Buddy, Efren, and Jersey Red. Some guys just want to rewrite history in order to sell themselves. But you never did this. You always had a lot of heart with the bet. Win or lose.
 
jay helfert said:
Another recent thread on here was demeaning to Freddie and made me decide to put this information on here before I too get bombed from the rear.

I am officially the Bob Uecker of Pool. I was barely on the radar when I played. My poolroom was always a "spot" for all roadmen to stop and try to get pumped up. I am proud to say that I was a lifetime "shortstop", never destined for greatness in anyone's book. That was not all bad though. To be called a shortstop meant that you could play. Maybe a couple of balls below the top players but so what.

I make no claims to pool greatness, but do consider myself a decent player who was willing to mix it up with other non champions. Like Freddie I have a few notches on my belt, with wins over good players. Mostly these came in tournaments where the matches are relatively short. But I also have beaten hundreds (yes I said hundreds) of other lesser players in poolrooms and bars across America. And I ain't done yet. So be careful who you bark at.

Typically, wherever I lived and hung out, I was the best player around. So when a good player came to town, they called me. If I didn't know him I would play him, and more often then not I did okay. If I knew him to be a top player, I either took a pass or asked for weight. Not so hard to figure out. I would get the 7 ball from strong players and the 5 or 6 from top players. At One Pocket, I would play strong players with 8-6 or 9-7 and the champions with 9-6 or 8-5. Ronnie gave me 8-4, and I could hold my own.

Bank Pool was a little different. That was my "road" game. When all else failed, I would try to get my man to play some Banks. At this game, I had a reputation. I beat quite a few good players, some of them "names". Unlike Freddie, I will not put those names on here. No reason to do that. They are all better players then me. I just happened to catch them on an off day.

I remember many players I beat, but many more I have forgotten. Sometimes I have been at a tournament and some guy comes up to me and asks me If I remember him. I usually don't. Then they tell me we played somewhere. My stock answer is "How much did it cost me?" That usually elicits a laugh, and they tell me I won.

So my secondary purpose in posting this, is to hear from some of the guys I played. If any of you are on here, give me a shout.

Nope, no good. You're going to have to do a lot better than that if you want me to come play you :D

Seriously Jay, you play better than me and that doesn't suck. (well maybe it does... I got the skinny on you from Poker Paul and others, you play good. Hope I'm not knocking you here :)

Before you get mad at them for talking me out of a road trip, they know I'm not a fish or they would have sent me down there looking for water scooters.

Truth is, since I've lived here I haven't been able to scrape two fives together anyway. I would've been busted at the gas pump. :(

Cheers,
RC
 
Jimmy M. said:
They played for hair and, well ... they both lost! :eek:

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Jay, i don't you need to put up a post. I think your reputation and name (the billiard community in general) is already at legendary status. Even if you can't play a lick.
Jordan
 
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