His misfortune should not stop you all from enjoying the trip to Vegas you won. Enjoy, play your best, let the chips fall where they may. And make sure he pays you back what you paid on his behalf.
-Andrew
-Andrew
How would you handle this?
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He backed out, for whatever reason, so he is liable for his entry fee that you posted for him. Can't blame him for having other responsibilities but that does not get him off from owing you his part of the entry. You may want to give him a pass if you find someone to replace him and they pick up a share.
His situation says he should not go thats just one of those things, however he should have let you know right away and maybe a solution could have been found sooner. He should pay you the loan though.
One year my back gave out cutting the lawn two days before Vegas, one of those that drops you to your knees. I was so bad they had to wheel me to the plane, I played the whole tourney almost standing straight up and I'm a snooker player
I would never let my team down.
PS. One year we lost a player at the border and managed to get in the money with four players, go and have fun.
One year my back gave out cutting the lawn two days before Vegas, one of those that drops you to your knees. I was so bad they had to wheel me to the plane, I played the whole tourney almost standing straight up and I'm a snooker player
I would never let my team down.PS. One year we lost a player at the border and managed to get in the money with four players, go and have fun.
I dunno the guy personally but you have to see it from the perspective of a guy who just got some lousy news. He had to basically cancel a pool vacation to get called into work. Which odds are he hates already cuz most people don't love their job.
Further bad news, the entire team hates you. And you now owe us money.
Even further bad news, you now owe us a lot of money and EVERYONE got their pool vacation cancelled.
I mean, seriously, OUCH. I think the last one is overly punishing him. He probably feels lousy enough.
Further bad news, the entire team hates you. And you now owe us money.
Even further bad news, you now owe us a lot of money and EVERYONE got their pool vacation cancelled.
I mean, seriously, OUCH. I think the last one is overly punishing him. He probably feels lousy enough.
I like naming names in this instance. I know exactly who is on your bomb squad of a team and I know which young guy isn't going to go out there...I'm not a pool detective Gary Lutman just runs his mouth about anything and was in Des Moines this weekend. I say you round up another player and go win the championship. Guys like that can be your best friend when they need you and give you their ass to kiss when they don't.
You don't need him.
You don't need him.
How would I handle it? I think I would cut the guy some slack. You can't expect him to lose his job just to play in a pool tournament.
Having said that, I'm in COMO and I'm in a league which just started up under bca rules. Next session we will "officially" be in the bca.
Good luck in Vegas.
Having said that, I'm in COMO and I'm in a league which just started up under bca rules. Next session we will "officially" be in the bca.
Good luck in Vegas.
This post I quoted is a good one.
Watchez, man, that is a tough pickle you're in. There's really no easy solution that I can see. Feelings are already hurt and the friendship is already fractured.
Whenever I don't know what to do, I wait a minute until something comes to me. Give it a day and go with what seems best to you and what you know you can handle.
What is in stone is that your buddy owes you the money you fronted for him. If he's a man, he'll pay you with no hesitation. If not, be glad you spotted him as a rat early and be glad you're done with him. He can't help his circumstances, but he certainly should man-up and repay you.
I feel bad for the guy who can't make it, I feel bad for you and I feel bad for your team-mates. Major bummer bud!
Mikey- not sure who you are thinking it is but it is not Justin. Justin recently quit pool so although eligible never committed to vega$. He was on the roster as hoping he would change his mind.
I'd be curious to hear what Gary was saying. I hear he is not going now either so that only leaves us with 3. I doubt I go back to the riv after singles.
The player that only stated he wasn't going when asked what size shirt he wanted just last week - I'll bet anyone in this thread the entire 500 team entry fee that he never purchased a plane ticket - verfiying that this was his plan all along. He wasn't on our team last year but now I hear he pulled a similar move last year and didn't let anyone know until they got to vega$. He was suppose to share a room with a other guy, canceled the reservation and left the other guy hanging to find a room in the hotel.
I'd be curious to hear what Gary was saying. I hear he is not going now either so that only leaves us with 3. I doubt I go back to the riv after singles.
The player that only stated he wasn't going when asked what size shirt he wanted just last week - I'll bet anyone in this thread the entire 500 team entry fee that he never purchased a plane ticket - verfiying that this was his plan all along. He wasn't on our team last year but now I hear he pulled a similar move last year and didn't let anyone know until they got to vega$. He was suppose to share a room with a other guy, canceled the reservation and left the other guy hanging to find a room in the hotel.
Oh, yeah he basically told me Justin wasn't playing but I guess that was known in advance. He did clearly state that he was going to Vegas and very excited to go and have a chance to do real well in the masters. If he changed his mind that doesn't go with anything that he was saying. I told him I knew you and I kid you not Gary was beyond hype about going to Vegas. Wonder what happened in 4 days?
Watchez,
Ouch. Been there, done that. Last year we had a real monster as our Master player. We recruited only players who would commit to playing league season, state tournament, and Vegas. A week and a half before Vegas TWO of them backed out (our #2 and #3 players, fee's already paid by the captain, our shirts not yet embroidered).
We did find 2 substitutes from the league (many thanks to them); but we went from a super strong team to a below average team; and had no chance in Vegas. The only point to the team from the beginning was a strong Vegas finish.
My plan was to never speak to either one of them again; and to basically relate their behavior to anyone who ever brought them up in conversation. I have mentioned it several times to players in the community, and they seem a bit surprised (they are basically "nice guys" and are not usually badly behaved).
I was asked to substitute in a league this year; and when I showed up 1 week, lo and behold there was that #3 player also on the team. I had a very hard time being polite. He never mentioned the Vegas thing, but did try to give me some pointers - I just felt nauseated.
Anyway, there's not much you can do. When in Vegas I did take the whole team out for a fancy dinner and a night on the town with a couple of very prominent pro's (you know who and some friends); I'm just hopeful that the story gets back to the 2 deadbeats so they realize they missed out on a fabulous experience.
Don -
You are far nicer of a guy then I will surely ever become so it is comforting that you are in the same opinion as me in this situation. I was born & raised in NY and learned to treat people to extremes. I plan on following that mentality with this situation.
Another player on the team also owes me money due to entry fees. I have known this person a lot longer. When I called him today, tried to have a genuine conversation with him and then when I mentioned the money he owed, he said oh ok and then hung up.
Will you be in Vega$ this year? I owe you a dinner from one of your trips here. I don't call any pro pool players close friends but I am sure that I can find us someone of interest to you to hang out with and join us.
You are far nicer of a guy then I will surely ever become so it is comforting that you are in the same opinion as me in this situation. I was born & raised in NY and learned to treat people to extremes. I plan on following that mentality with this situation.
Another player on the team also owes me money due to entry fees. I have known this person a lot longer. When I called him today, tried to have a genuine conversation with him and then when I mentioned the money he owed, he said oh ok and then hung up.
Will you be in Vega$ this year? I owe you a dinner from one of your trips here. I don't call any pro pool players close friends but I am sure that I can find us someone of interest to you to hang out with and join us.
Watchez,
Unfortunately, no BCA Vegas this year for me (I can only take bar table pool about every other year or so
). It really is a fabulous event; so I think elvicash and I are looking into next year. I really appreciate your offer, it would have been a great time.I will be in St. Louis in a few weeks, not sure which one yet - I'll let you know. I think MW and I will be heading to the casino where his wife works for one dinner/evening - I have no idea where it is, but maybe some dinner/pool would be possible. I will keep you in the loop.
Anyway, if you define "pro" as someone who plays pool for money, I think you are a big fibber about not knowing any.....I'm somewhat certain that you know one or two or twenty.
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MiKjary. You like many others don't get it. This guy never had the intention and his job excuse is just that an excuse he thought up. The $500 bet offer is there for you as well. Make the bet, I'll give you his phone number and then all you have to come up with is proof he had a plane ticket and canceled it as well.
Don - the place is in South County/South City. I know a great Italian restaurant down that way or we can eat that the casino. There is also a pool room close by that is full of Louie Roberts history and has probably the best gold crown in the city. Get ahold of me and let me know.
I sure don't know very much about league stuff, but after reading your post, the first thing that came to my mind was ... wow, I can't believe fielding a team could be that fragile a thing. I mean with all the people who go to Vegas, it must be at least a semi-common problem, be it illness, or work, or family issues. This can't be a new problem. How is it that this team thing can be so fragile to maintain.
The problem that I have found with many pool league players is they are not reliable. Every team that I have been on consists of a mix of society. It consists of those that have great jobs, unemployed, part time workers and those that have to work more than 2 jobs. So basically there is always the chance that at least 50% of the players could never go to Vegas if given the chance. The reasons can be economical, or job related.
Outside of pool try to get 6 to 8 people together at one time to do something for a week. It is not easy and you can always count on someone having to cancel.
Outside of pool try to get 6 to 8 people together at one time to do something for a week. It is not easy and you can always count on someone having to cancel.
Exactly my point!
So, how can the OP's problem be anything but a standard and common occurrence? And why would it be such an obstacle if it is practically expected to happen? Isn't there some provision to handle these kind of things in place?