How Would You Play This? 3/15/10

SpiderWebComm said:
All in all.... this is a crap position to be in - no doubt. You don't wanna end up here. Playing safe is only the move against a weaker opponent. If I'm at the table playing someone like Neil, there's no way I'm letting him back up. If I scratch, so be it. At least I didn't let him back to the table and at least I'm the winner in the long-run. :)
Click to expand...

100% agreed. If I have the time this weekend at SBE, I'll set it up and see my kicking percentage. Maybe is my cuetable goggles talkin', but it seems like a big pocket to me from there. Maybe not so much in person. I won't see a table til Thursday so I'll try in at the expo.

Either way, stop by the booth and say hello Dave. I believe I owe you a beer.
 
TATE said:
Frank the Barber - is this what you would do, you tricky devil? I would not be betting against you no matter what shot you made!

Ps. I choked against Gerardo because you were watching me.


CueTable Help

Click to expand...

Thanks Tate, that's exactly what I meant. I need to learn how to use that darn wei table thing.

This shot though might force my opponent to shoot away at an awkward cross bank shot because it doesn't leave many options for a safety. In critical situations I like to leave my opponent with an option for a safety.

Sorry about the Gerardo situation. How about a practice session soon?
 
Last edited:
I LIKE THIS SHOT ESPECIALLY IF THE Rails are not real true. i would shoot a double kiss hitting it to the right of center just a lttle bit so the cue ball goes back by the corner.
if you get the cue ball back by the corner or on the opposite side rail you might get another shot.
your opponent might play a safe back but you might have a better shot next time to play safe or shoot it. but you better hit it (perfect).

try it. you might like it. being aware of this type of shot also adds another club in your bag for simular shots. i've used this same shot to hook my opponent in back of balls.

practice this a little. it's not that tough.

good luck........................
 
SpiderWebComm said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-tcvD94Wy8

I shot through a rack trying to cut the ball. I made 10 and missed 5 and I did this drill cold. I have a gc4 with 4.5" pockets. I can't imagine kicking would be the move with this shot. If someone kicks this in more than 66%, get it on video and I'll get you drunk at the SBE.
Click to expand...

You know, this brings up an interesting point.
ESPECIALLY for all the Geno fans with the eyesight thing going on.
I'm curious.
Spidey, do you think you could actually move the shot to the other side of the table and try again?
I'm just wondering if your results would be different at all cutting it to the right, being right handed, instead of cutting it to the left, as you are doing in the video.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
You know, this brings up an interesting point.
ESPECIALLY for all the Geno fans with the eyesight thing going on.
I'm curious.
Spidey, do you think you could actually move the shot to the other side of the table and try again?
I'm just wondering if your results would be different at all cutting it to the right, being right handed, instead of cutting it to the left, as you are doing in the video.
Click to expand...

I think for 15 shots, the results would be similar. I'm comfortable with this shot either direction. I'd be interested to see how the CB would react on new cloth and diamond rails at the SBE.

I'm hoping someone else will step up and post how they make the shot (banks, kicking, etc). Superstar--- c'mon, post a video one time.
 
dabarbr said:
If the object ball is frozen to the rail I would just strike the object ball slightly on the right side from a full hit to use the kiss-back that will take the cue ball to the first diamond on the short rail. Nothing fancy is needed for this.

This will leave the object ball where it is and prevent an easy cross corner bank because of the steep angle you will leave. Maybe someone will diagram this for me on the wei table.
Click to expand...

Frank what English do you use?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The scratch is definitely bigger than what I thought. Regardless, I would say my make % is between 66% and 75%. Playing against someone of equal or better, you're probably 50/50 on a safety battle from here. Therefore, you have to go for it on this shot if you can make it more than 50% --- and I think this is a "lock" for 50%+.

This isn't a hard shot to make at all - it's the scratch. For the cheese, I'd load up and smooth it in. Kicking at this ball from here is not easy, imo. If someone has a camera, I'm eager to see someone kick it in more than 50% of the rack.

All in all.... this is a crap position to be in - no doubt. You don't wanna end up here. Playing safe is only the move against a weaker opponent. If I'm at the table playing someone like Neil, there's no way I'm letting him back up. If I scratch, so be it. At least I didn't let him back to the table and at least I'm the winner in the long-run. :)
Click to expand...


I by no means am a spectacular kicker, but I feel I am decent at it. After watching Spiders vid, I kicked at that ball 15 times, made 4. 6 more times I missed it well, and left a very difficult shot, and the other 5 I missed either leaving ball in hand or a very simple tap in.

Cutting it in or playing the safety is probably the better shot, now that I have tried it. All it makes me want to do is be better at kicking though....lol.
 
Half-ball hit on the right side of the nine. stick the nine in the center on the bottom rail and send the cue back to center on the other side with some low left english. Try to leave it tough so maybe you'll get another chance.
 
I'm kicking at it. The ball is as big as you could ask for with a length of the table kick. If you don't kick at this one, what DO you kick at?

Plan B, if you don't trust the rails or you just generally play smarter than CreeDo, is to very carefully thin the left edge of it with outside spin, banking it to the foot rail and zigzagging the cue ball to leave no chance at a cut. I'll admit I should probably try this one a few times to see if that's feasible. Looks good on paper.

CueTable Help



Plan C: very soft draw drag and just let the cue ball kiss back 2 inches. Being very careful not to let it roll to the left side of the 9 and bank it in front of the pocket.
 
For me there are just 2 shots worth to think about- a safety shot or make the ball with right-hand english.
This is anyway a hard question in my opinion- it is somethin different to play on your own or playing such a ball in a league-match for a team. A good test for your nerves anyway :-)
 
Roll up on the nine hitting just a little on the right side for the safety.Offense,I would cut it in myself. If someone tried to bank this ball three in the side or one rail in the side or try to kick it in, I would have to give up the last three and go off I guess!
 
High right

sde said:
Jude you did forget my suggestion of banking cross side.

The shot will go if you have practiced it a couple of times, of course that is not an option in a game situation, but if you try it now you will be more comfortable when it does come up during a game. It is much easier than you would think.

Steve

Steve
Click to expand...


I like the concept of the shot.

I have a question-does the high right keep the CB 'climbing' forward after the Double Kiss such that the CB 'kills' on the bottom rail? I ask because I'm guessing you need to hit this at a 'stun' speed. Without the top right would the CB rebound from the Dbl Kss and travel nearly the same distance as the OB? I might be afraid of leaving both balls near the side without a way of killing the CB near the bottom rail.

Cool shot.

Guys-thanks for sharing.

In general-if you're not 'goina go' -spin it in or the stiff back bank-then it's hard to kick accurately at speed-to get the balls to separate if case of a miss. The more accurate pocket-speed kicks seem to either make it or sell out.

If ducking-there's a lot of separation- overcutting the back bank near the center diamond of the end rail, and the CB to the opposite end avoiding the scratch in the upper corner. The CB is going to run. I would probably hit it too hard, 3 rail the CB and leave him straight in.

I will too often shoot when I shouldn't-here I might try to play safe. Naaaaah. I'd shoot the stiff back bank.

Thanks again

3railkick
 
3RAILKICK said:
I like the concept of the shot.

I have a question-does the high right keep the CB 'climbing' forward after the Double Kiss such that the CB 'kills' on the bottom rail? I ask because I'm guessing you need to hit this at a 'stun' speed. Without the top right would the CB rebound from the Dbl Kss and travel nearly the same distance as the OB? I might be afraid of leaving both balls near the side without a way of killing the CB near the bottom rail.

Cool shot.

Guys-thanks for sharing.

In general-if you're not 'goina go' -spin it in or the stiff back bank-then it's hard to kick accurately at speed-to get the balls to separate if case of a miss. The more accurate pocket-speed kicks seem to either make it or sell out.

If ducking-there's a lot of separation- overcutting the back bank near the center diamond of the end rail, and the CB to the opposite end avoiding the scratch in the upper corner. The CB is going to run. I would probably hit it too hard, 3 rail the CB and leave him straight in.

I will too often shoot when I shouldn't-here I might try to play safe. Naaaaah. I'd shoot the stiff back bank.

Thanks again

3railkick
Click to expand...

Yes, hitting with high right will kill the CB near the end rail. I'm not sure of what YOU mean by ''stun'' speed, but it must be hit firmer than you would expect.

Steve
 
3RAILKICK said:
I like the concept of the shot.

I have a question-does the high right keep the CB 'climbing' forward after the Double Kiss such that the CB 'kills' on the bottom rail? I ask because I'm guessing you need to hit this at a 'stun' speed. Without the top right would the CB rebound from the Dbl Kss and travel nearly the same distance as the OB? I might be afraid of leaving both balls near the side without a way of killing the CB near the bottom rail.

Cool shot.

Guys-thanks for sharing.

In general-if you're not 'goina go' -spin it in or the stiff back bank-then it's hard to kick accurately at speed-to get the balls to separate if case of a miss. The more accurate pocket-speed kicks seem to either make it or sell out.

If ducking-there's a lot of separation- overcutting the back bank near the center diamond of the end rail, and the CB to the opposite end avoiding the scratch in the upper corner. The CB is going to run. I would probably hit it too hard, 3 rail the CB and leave him straight in.

I will too often shoot when I shouldn't-here I might try to play safe. Naaaaah. I'd shoot the stiff back bank.

Thanks again

3railkick
Click to expand...


When you bank this shot using high right you are slightly over banking the ball (with your aim) the high right will throw the OB off the rail back towards the pocket. This way you don't double kiss or come into the end rail way too early.

If you used any other english the OB will never be made on the one rail bank the CB will throw it off it's path if you used center ball you will double kiss.
 
Losing tactic

TATE said:
Frank the Barber - is this what you would do, you tricky devil? I would not be betting against you no matter what shot you made!

Ps. I choked against Gerardo because you were watching me.


CueTable Help

Click to expand...

This shot and the thin hit on the pocket side leave an easy safe return.
I call these shots - Don't take my watch now,take it later -
These leaves allow me to lock you up end to end.
 
pt109 said:
This shot and the thin hit on the pocket side leave an easy safe return.
I call these shots - Don't take my watch now,take it later -
These leaves allow me to lock you up end to end.
Click to expand...

I am curious to know what lock up safe you would play from that position. I don't see you putting the object ball back to the short rail from there.

My suggestion for that shot is just to buy myself another turn at the table and hope that I would be in better position. If you're not playing to pocket the ball then I'm happy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top