I agree with Darren

As usual, golf gets it and pool does not. To be a Ryder Cup or President's Cup captain, you have to be a retired or nearly retired grand old man of the game who is widely acclaimed and respected. Such appointments add to the dignity of such matches.

I cannot + rep you for that due to spreading it around requirements.

That statement is bang on 100% correct, and if anyone needs to read it and understand it those people are Matchroom.
 
Stu:

What a great post! I concur 100%, and I think you hit the nail on the head about the "celebrity = authority" complex that the public in general has. I love it when a movie celebrity, like a Susan Sarandon, "think" because they've achieved a level of success at such unrelated professions as e.g. acting, that they are then somehow "qualified" to take the podium and "be an authority" on, oh, say, politics, or international trade, or world financials, etc. It makes me laugh my head off. The sad thing is, the lemming public actually listen, because, ohmygod-ohmygod-ohmygod, "she's Susan Sarandon!!"

"He's Darren Appleton!" So? What does Darren know about coaching a team, and the qualifications that go into truly being a good coach? Darren plays a jam-up, world-class pool game, for sure -- noone doubts that. Darren's certainly an authority on the fundamentals of good play, winning one-against-one strategy, and perhaps -- by extension -- what he thinks a well-run tournament should look like. But he's jumped off a cliff if he thinks his knowledge "automatically extends" onto the realm of a good coach for a winning team in front of a stadium of spectators. Especially if he thinks that the coach selectee's past can be conveniently ignored, in favor of the cronyism that we all know is the true reason. Darren is still sponsored by Predator and Dragon, yes? If so, his "opinion" is automatically a wash. It doesn't count, by virtue of bias and cronyism.

A better example would be if Johan Ruijsink (Team Europe's captain) had said what Darren said. At least there's a foundation and context of knowledge there with Johan. But even then, the issues that Stu raised above still apply -- you can't ignore that CW is a ridiculous choice in the grand scheme of team coach qualifications and propriety.

-Sean

Tried to green you for this, but not allowed.
Shouldn't there be an exception for posters with Irish names?

Yep, I think 'cronyism' is the right word.
 
SJM is the smartest man in this thread.

Why anyone - Darren, Fatboy, anyone - would think otherwise is beyond me.
 
Answers to your points

Gee, I wonder what it said before you edited it.

You always walk around with a chip on your shoulder, we all owe you something right? I mean you do put on a pool tournament each year which wouldn't happen but for thy riches.

Let's break down the points you put in here

1) You left for a month, well not really, good authority says you still were lurking around.

2) "F that, I'm out of here" ok, thanks, maybe we all wont have to listen to I'm broke, I have all the money in the world, I'm broke, I have more money than any of you. Let me drive my Lamborghini to LA and try to bet when people when I have no clue how to gamble. Ok.

3) You didn't miss it here? But yet you come back. What a great human you are to allow us time in your presence, I mean coming back to a place you don't miss and all.

4) "I got labeled a rich guy" YOU LABELED YOURSELF A RICH GUY. no one would know that you have a dollar to your name if you didn't tell everyone the cars you have, the mansion you have, houses in LA, Vegas, going to Germany all the time. HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD WE KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU TELL US?

5) "Pool players are living in the past and can't move forward, and that's what I call "stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke" Johnny Archer plays pool doesn't he? Oh wait he doesn't count because he's in the fatboy fanclub and aren't you some godparent to his child also? Surely you aren't talking about Johnny, just everyone else. Oh but wait what about John Brumback, he's been to your house and is one of the nicest guys I have ever met, is he stuck on stupid also? The other forum members who have been to your house, are they stuck on stupid? Do you make it a point to surround yourself with people you deem stupid to inflate your ego?

Last point.

6) "In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before"

So you had never done anything wrong in your life before you decided to embark on the method at which you made most of your money? Guess no one got hurt there right?

In closing, please don't leave, I need you around to tell me what a low life I have been all these years, and how I'll be broke the rest of my life.



This has nothing to do with $$$$, you guys need to get over that too. I left here for a month and come back to this shit, F that I'm out of here. c ya... I got better things to do, I didnt miss it here. Now I just dont want to be here. People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. I got labeled a rich guy so does that mean i'm rich for ever? what if I went broke? Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? well that aint gonna happen LOL. but Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before. If you cant you will remain in your shitty life forever. My life was in the shitter I didnt like it and got up and walked out of it. Looking here now comming back would be walking back into the shitter. Think about it, see you at the gym-looking towards the future, not grinding about the past.

A persons outlook will determine their future. What are you doing to make your future better?? Then dont ***** a bout the past or count my $$. Only nits count other peoples $$$, players in life only count their own-cause counting others $$ is a waste of time. Course if ya dont value your time then its cool. And brokes dont value their time.

I'm not a 1%'er, I'm a 0.0005% club member.
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You know what's REALLY sad?

That the so-called greatest country on Earth, lone SuperPower, best place to live, hardest working people etc.... are getting all worked up over a made-for-tv event that DEPENDS on getting people riled up months beforehand and is produced by a company in another country. So you all let Matchroom dictate your emotions by allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the producers of a reality show.

And what's even WORSE is that the "USA" can't produce anything close. Nothing. For all of our might, and wealth and amount of people we can't produce ANYTHING at all that can rival the Mosconi Cup? So in the end the biggest event of the year is not the Derby City Classic, or the US Open, or any of CSI's events.

No, it's the made for tv show called the Mosconi Cup with contrived "controversies" to get people fired up.

Awesome.
I agree with this. Well said.

Yesterday I watched a little of Punkin Chunkin 2011 on the Discovery Channel. I was fascinated that people would tune in to watch who can hurl a pumpkin the furthest, and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.

Alas, I could find no pool, darts or bowling on TV.

This is the world in which we live.

I have nothing against CW, and I don't know anything about him...or his alleged transgressions...so I have nothing to contribute on that front.
 
I have to say I am a little shocked and I would bet that Fatboy is a little shocked too at the response he has got from this thread. I have been led to believe that Fatboy is a well liked member of this forum and that whatever he said would get a compliment and full backing from all on here. I will be that Fatboy didn't expect all this negative response because I didn't. Well we live and learn right?
 
I personally think this is getting out of hand. ...........
This is not the mosconi cup, it's the dragon promotions cup. And I will bet that their name will be plastered everywhere during this event (banners, commercials, ect ect...)

You are letting it get out of hand. Yesterday it was corruption, today it is piracy.

The Mosconi Cup has nothing to do with Dragon Promotions. It is a Matchroom event - plain and simple. Dragon are a successful company but are not in the same league as Matchroom, not even close.

Charlie has been invited by Matchroom as an individual to fulfil the role of NON PLAYING CAPTAIN. One reason was his age. They did not want an 'old timer' because they are trying to lower the age demographics of the viewing audience. Johan Ruisink fits in this frame too.

Too many people condemn CW on hearsay but are unable to provide proof of any misdemeanors.
He is on good terms with the players under his care, friendly nd sociable to them and why not. Sure he is selective but that is his perogative. He supports people who understand the value of publicity. The Dragon publicity machine is an example of PR coverage at it's best.

Matchroom are very comfortable with their choice because he has already become involved in his role as succesfully as they wished.
 
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I have to say I am a little shocked and I would bet that Fatboy is a little shocked too at the response he has got from this thread. I have been led to believe that Fatboy is a well liked member of this forum and that whatever he said would get a compliment and full backing from all on here. I will be that Fatboy didn't expect all this negative response because I didn't. Well we live and learn right?
Well, calling most of the posters broke and stupid isn't going to win him new fans.
 
We all do wrong, heck I posted in the for sale section about someone's stick not meaning to knock their sale, just posting some information.

The comments were made at the pool world, that includes you Jesters, Me, Joey A, Johnny A, Jay H, Saw, runout JJ, etc.

His issue is that this isn't the first time he's come on here "fed up" with pool players and how broke they are.

He plays the I'm rich, I'm broke and haven't made any money since 07 card a lot.

A lot of people have had enough, LOTS more don't post because they want to still be in his good graces for when he comes back and says, I was tired when I posted that, was taking cough medicine, bad day at the office, or any other reason.

It's sad, because you do a good thing for pool, then you have to just crap on everyone because they don't have what you say you have.


I have to say I am a little shocked and I would bet that Fatboy is a little shocked too at the response he has got from this thread. I have been led to believe that Fatboy is a well liked member of this forum and that whatever he said would get a compliment and full backing from all on here. I will be that Fatboy didn't expect all this negative response because I didn't. Well we live and learn right?
 
You know what's REALLY sad?

That the so-called greatest country on Earth, lone SuperPower, best place to live, hardest working people etc.... are getting all worked up over a made-for-tv event that DEPENDS on getting people riled up months beforehand and is produced by a company in another country. So you all let Matchroom dictate your emotions by allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the producers of a reality show.

And what's even WORSE is that the "USA" can't produce anything close. Nothing. For all of our might, and wealth and amount of people we can't produce ANYTHING at all that can rival the Mosconi Cup? So in the end the biggest event of the year is not the Derby City Classic, or the US Open, or any of CSI's events.

No, it's the made for tv show called the Mosconi Cup with contrived "controversies" to get people fired up.

Awesome.

Well its not that America can't produce something close. Like all things in life its just a question of will. If America really wanted we could just invade England, smack them on the ass, call them Shirley and politely tell them its now called the Mosconi Cup owned by America.

Just because it's possible doesnt mean its really in anyone's interest to actually do it. I mean you ever been to England?
 
Charlie has been invited by Matchroom as an individual to fulfil the role of NON PLAYING CAPTAIN. One reason was his age. They did not want an 'old timer' because they are trying to lower the age demographics of the viewing audience. Johan Ruisink fits in this frame too......Matchroom are very comfortable with their choice because he has already become involved in his role as succesfully as they wished.

Yeah, except Matchroom didn't choose him. Supposedly, the members of Team USA chose him, and I highly doubt that their focus when they made their selection was on the age demographic.
 
Yeah, except Matchroom didn't choose him. Supposedly, the members of Team USA chose him, and I highly doubt that their focus when they made their selection was on the age demographic.

Yes they did. He was their first choice. They ran it past three of the team and if they did not approve then they would have gone to their second choice who also fitted the age demographic
 
I have to say I am a little shocked and I would bet that Fatboy is a little shocked too at the response he has got from this thread. I have been led to believe that Fatboy is a well liked member of this forum and that whatever he said would get a compliment and full backing from all on here. I will be that Fatboy didn't expect all this negative response because I didn't. Well we live and learn right?

I guess because he had an opinion kissing Applehead's a** everyone should jump on the band wagon. NOT. Then I guess it is ok for him to basically tell everyone else they are peasants to his great fortune and we should go on living our sh***y lives. WRONG. Maybe you should reread his post below before you attach yourself too deep with your suckers as apparently there are a few on here that walk their own path and are not led by smoke screens and Eliteist people like Fatboy, the ABP, or Dragon Promotions.

This whole crap with the him, the mosconi cup, ABP, boycotts, etc is a disgrace to the pool world. Not to mention now we have Europeans thinking they know what is best for American pool. FYI our history and tradition of the game is far different then theirs. I have been around this sport for over 28 years as a fan and player and it makes me just want to walk away. Simply sickening.

This has nothing to do with $$$$, you guys need to get over that too. I left here for a month and come back to this shit, F that I'm out of here. c ya... I got better things to do, I didnt miss it here. Now I just dont want to be here. People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. I got labeled a rich guy so does that mean i'm rich for ever? what if I went broke? Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? well that aint gonna happen LOL. but Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before. If you cant you will remain in your shitty life forever. My life was in the shitter I didnt like it and got up and walked out of it. Looking here now comming back would be walking back into the shitter. Think about it, see you at the gym-looking towards the future, not grinding about the past.

A persons outlook will determine their future. What are you doing to make your future better?? Then dont ***** a bout the past or count my $$. Only nits count other peoples $$$, players in life only count their own-cause counting others $$ is a waste of time. Course if ya dont value your time then its cool. And brokes dont value their time.
 
Yes they did. He was their first choice. They ran it past three of the team and if they did not approve then they would have gone to their second choice who also fitted the age demographic

HaHa who was the 3 of the team? ummmm let me guess, JA, Rodney, and Putnam? Thank you for clarifying the political issues. ;)
 
People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

I agree you crossed the line with this one.

With that kind of attitude, I doubt you'd have any friends left if you went broke, so it's probably in your best interest to keep the scams up. I wasn't gonna go there, but since we live in the past.. :rolleyes:

Maybe CW can keep the wife company, since he's a nice guy and all.
 
Well its not that America can't produce something close. Like all things in life its just a question of will. If America really wanted we could just invade England, smack them on the ass, call them Shirley and politely tell them its now called the Mosconi Cup owned by America.

Just because it's possible doesnt mean its really in anyone's interest to actually do it. I mean you ever been to England?

Ive never been to England, but there is no wonder why so many people from there move here
 
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