I agree with Darren

I've been working for 53 and I haven't ever heard of people doing things like this. Keep your trips to Zsa Zsa Gabor's house and all your cars.

Consumer Credit Services, Inc. (CCS), based in Las Vegas, Nevada, has agreed to settle charges that it defrauded consumers nationwide through the deceptive telemarketing of credit cards and lines of credit for an up-front fee. The Federal Trade Commission, joined by the State of Nevada as co-plaintiff, charged CCS and its president, Eric A. Peterson, with violating the FTC Act, the Telemarketing Sales Rule (TSR), and the Nevada Deceptive Trade Practices Act, by falsely representing that consumers would receive a major credit card or a $2,500 unrestricted line of credit in return for paying CCS an up-front fee ranging from $149.95 to $179.95. The settlement prohibits the defendants from engaging in the alleged deceptive practices, and requires them to pay $5,000 to the State of Nevada to be used for consumer protection initiatives.

Contrary to defendants' representations, the complaint alleged, consumers only received a package of materials from CCS that disclosed, for the first time, severe limitations on their ability to use the credit products promised. First, the $2,500 line of credit applied only to the use of defendants' "CashPlus" credit card (which was not a general credit card, but could only be used to purchase items from CCS catalogues); second, the cash advance was limited to only $10; third, consumers did not receive a VISA or MasterCard, only a form to request an application for a VISA or MasterCard that they must send to a bank; and fourth, CCS’s CashPlus card could not be used in an ATM machine.

If Fatboy was wondering why the 99% is pissed....just one more reason.
 
If Fatboy was wondering why the 99% is pissed....just one more reason.

If the report is accurate, I would like to see someone talk his way out of this one. Exploiting the poor, clearly a man of character. That explains a lot.
 
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"Robotic-like European tournament soldiers" is an interesting turn of phrase, but you could also view it as "focused, determined, undistractable," unlike, say, Strickland, who's as naturally talented as anyone on the planet but his own worst enemy.

To each their own. :cool:

Taco said:
And putting "GREAT" in ironic quotation marks seems a little xenophobic.

It's an inside joke with me and "GREAT" Britain, but it's okay for you to think it xenophobic. :)

Taco said:
FWIW, I live on this side of the pond and will be rooting for team USA, CW or no CW.

I'm happy for you. :p

Taco said:
Sorry, but IMO being "representative of mainstream America" means being accepting and welcoming of people from other countries. Without that, there wouldn't be an America.

No apologies needed. ;)

Taco said:
I agree that we have a history of great pool players. But the world has changed. Fifty years ago, they didn't play much pool in the Philippines or Finland or Taiwan or the UK. The talent pool has swelled from 300,000 Americans to 7 billion people around the world, and in many of those countries pool is a real sport, not something you play on a date in a bar on Friday night. Inevitably, we're going to lose our hegemony.

Hegemony? Hmm, that's an interesting thought. :grin-square:

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Go Team USA.

Well, we agree on one thing at least! :cool:
 
These Forums are patronised by many intelligent, knowledeable and friendly people but also a lot of closed minds.

Be honest - what have the USA brought to the World pool scene in the last 10-12 years?
On the playing side One World 9 Ball Champion.

World Class TV action - I'm still waiting.

The best tours are in Europe (Eurotour, GB9BT).
The best Challenge Matches are in the Philippines.
The best support for televised pool is in Asia.

The USA - Poker, Pool nd Pain - give Me A Break

Poppycock....
 
How are the best challenge matches in the Philippines? Races to 9? With guys playing for a couple thousand difference ?

As for the Eurotour, we could do a tour here too that didnt pay the players anything. Only problem is American players wouldn't show up. They are funny that way. If the Euro tour was that great you would see Shane, Alex and a bunch of other guys out there chasing it.

Bottom line is pool on TV doesn't sell in the USA. Period. Full stop. That doesn't mean American players as a whole will not stone rob 99% of the world.
 
The best Challenge Matches are in the Philippines.

Gonna disagree there, I would put TAR at the top of challenge matches. They have had epic battles and their toying with the tighter pocketed Fatboy rails and showing how the game "should" be played at the professional level are important steps.

I am guessing the 10-foot tables that Diamond are building will get a strong push from TAR in the form of challenge matches being played on them by top pros (starting with Shane and Earl) and open the eyes of the majoritty to what pool "could" be played on proper large tables with reasonably tight but well cut, non-gaffy pockets.
 
the question is not how great of a person charlie is, it is that he is not the right choice for capt. because he is team Korea's capt. also, he is a imigrant not a tru rep. of the U.S.A in my book......



to quote Darren:

One last thing I want to mention. I can't believe how negative the Americans have been towards Charlie Williams being appointed as the Captain of the USA Mosconi Cup Team. It's amazing how these guys on the forums make me laugh, as they really don't know Charlie, he really is a good guy and I know he will do a great job for team USA. Win or lose I think they have got the best man for the job.. I am sure that the team are pretty happy with his being the captain. So the rest of the country should get behind both Charlie and the team!!!


I areee with This 100%, sure Charlie might have pissed off people in the past, so what we all do. forget and forgive and move on is the way forwards. Thats a real problem with pool-everyone lives in the past. He made a few bad business moves , what ever. Today he is a great guy and a good friend. I dont pick sides, I dont live in the past. CW is cool with me and we should be behind him.
 
We're all immigrants, he just happens to play the country card every chance he gets to switch sides.

At some point there has to be a hammer laid down saying pick. You can't play for both.

Everyone can be proud of their heritage.

the question is not how great of a person charlie is, it is that he is not the right choice for capt. because he is team Korea's capt. also, he is a imigrant not a tru rep. of the U.S.A in my book......
 
Who gives a shit about what Eric did to make his money...he didn't put a gun to ANYONES head and say..."GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"!

If his company is the one that spam calls households with an automated message about "important information about your credit card account, please hit 1 to speak to someone about the issues immediately!!!" then I care, that type of spam marketing with constant phone calls is a complete pain in the ass.

What Eric "did" for his money was right there with what Kevin Trudeau did for his money, in fact I would say he went further into fraud then Kevin ever did given the above post that relayed the story, and this forum certainly had their opinions about Kevin while he threw millions at the game in an attempt to jump start it.

Ripping off people less fortunate then him is one thing. Ripping off people less fortunate then him, then going to a forum and calling people a bunch of poverty stricken bums that will never get anywhere in life until they take a chance (take a chance = find a way to con people in this instance) is reaching heights of honest to god absurdidty. Stealing money from people is bad, lording over them after you have done it? FFS? Really?
 
Well if you read the threads, lots of people give a s--t about what Eric did to make his money. I'd guess that all the people who gave up their money feel bad. Looks like you're in unison with Eric in that everyone is stupid huh.

I'll just ask you this. Do you have to put a gun to someone's head for the deal to be bad the person peddling the deal to know that what is being done is wrong?




Just wondering if you've ever gambled for money playing pool and won? Did you claim your winnings as "Taxable income" if you did....you nit! Who gives a shit about what Eric did to make his money...he didn't put a gun to ANYONES head and say..."GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"! People spend money stupidly everyday, at least he DIDN'T take a "BAILOUT" from the government like the banks and automakers did!!!! Get over it, life is what YOU make of it, not what it makes of YOU!

Glen
 
Give realkingcobra a break, after all I am sure fatboy paid him well with a few spiffs to boot to work on those exquiset tables in his palace. Paid puppets don't bite the hand that feeds them. In this case paid snakes in the grass by the sounds of his morals.
 
Just wondering if you've ever gambled for money playing pool and won? Did you claim your winnings as "Taxable income" if you did....you nit! Who gives a shit about what Eric did to make his money...he didn't put a gun to ANYONES head and say..."GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"! People spend money stupidly everyday, at least he DIDN'T take a "BAILOUT" from the government like the banks and automakers did!!!! Get over it, life is what YOU make of it, not what it makes of YOU!

Glen

I missed this post.
It is possible to have a great life and achieve something important without taking advantage of others.
Scams like Eric's pray on the poor and elderly.
You are a true piece of work, no better than the pick pocket you are defending.
 
Just wondering if you've ever gambled for money playing pool and won? Did you claim your winnings as "Taxable income" if you did....you nit! Who gives a shit about what Eric did to make his money...he didn't put a gun to ANYONES head and say..."GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"! People spend money stupidly everyday, at least he DIDN'T take a "BAILOUT" from the government like the banks and automakers did!!!! Get over it, life is what YOU make of it, not what it makes of YOU!

Glen

Before I entertain your post, how do you know these people "spent money stupidly" ? How do you know that someone hasn't lost their job, and is trying to survive on credit cards until they can find a new job ? How do you know that a person is trying to pay the hospital for necessary emergency surgery ? How do you know if a person's parent or spouse has passed away, and they are trying to pay all the bills associated with funeral expenses ? Seriously, how do you know that ?

But I digress...

Yeah, there are people that DO spend money "stupidly"... Every day... But when they do it, they know what they are getting into.

Yeah, it may have been "stupid" to buy a case that holds 6 cues, but when they bought that case, there was nothing "hidden" from them. They KNOW it holds 6 cues. When you buy an iPad, you KNOW what you're getting when you buy it. When you sign the kids up for karate and dance lessons, you KNOW what you are getting into. When you sign the loan for your mortgage, you KNOW what your monthly payment is going to be. There's no surprises.

RealkingCobra, you need to get a clue...

There's a BIG difference between "spending money stupidly" and "being taken advantage of".
And it takes a real piece of human garbage to take advantage of someone's good faith when they're down and looking for a way out.
 
Give realkingcobra a break, after all I am sure fatboy paid him well with a few spiffs to boot to work on those exquiset tables in his palace. Paid puppets don't bite the hand that feeds them. In this case paid snakes in the grass by the sounds of his morals.

Well said my friend.
 
Just wondering if you've ever gambled for money playing pool and won? Did you claim your winnings as "Taxable income" if you did....you nit! Who gives a shit about what Eric did to make his money...he didn't put a gun to ANYONES head and say..."GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"! People spend money stupidly everyday, at least he DIDN'T take a "BAILOUT" from the government like the banks and automakers did!!!! Get over it, life is what YOU make of it, not what it makes of YOU!

Glen

This is coming from the same person that was pissed off at Golden West for screwing up a single table, right? Just checking.
 
Before I entertain your post, how do you know these people "spent money stupidly" ? How do you know that someone hasn't lost their job, and is trying to survive on credit cards until they can find a new job ? How do you know that a person is trying to pay the hospital for necessary emergency surgery ? How do you know if a person's parent or spouse has passed away, and they are trying to pay all the bills associated with funeral expenses ? Seriously, how do you know that ?

Actually in the thousands of people that would get scammed there are going to be some of those people, the statistics would pretty much demand it. There is probably a father in their somewhere that had no healthcare due to a low paying job and no benefits and his child got sick and needed surgery or they would die, and that father lost $180 on a scam, did the child live, did the family rebound from their woes, did the $180 end up costing that family dearly? Was it worth a new set of rails on a Diamond table or a tank of gas in your 4th Lambo?

There are some people who would have just been stupid with money and the $180 was as good in Fatboy's pocket as theres, but there are other people that are a very different story that got caught in the trap as well and those stories are harder to swallow.

If a guy made as much money as Fatboy claims he did off of this scam then you can guarentee that there are some truly horrific stories out there about some of the people who paid for Fatboy's "success" and wealth. Stories that Fatboy probably chooses to pretend don't exist so he can sleep at night, unless he is a psycopath in which case he lacks empathy and sleeps just fine regardless of any pain he caused others. Those are the two possibilities, either you don't think about the potential pain and suffering you are causing others when doing stuff like this, or you do think about it but you just cannot bother yourself to care.
 
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Here are a few more things which were comments made by more people not from this site about our FB. Hopefully this will be the last incarnation and people wont run back when he throws around a little money.

We were only being mad for the catalog scam, how do y'all feel knowing that his "real estate" dealings were with sub prime. This is my favorite commment.

"By Chandler_L (Chandler LeVrIcH)
May 10, 2011
1:37 p.m.
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A person that made lots a money selling real estate with evil sub prime real estate loans is now losing money. Boo Hoo."

By zackiebinkes (Zackie Binkes)
May 9, 2011
11:51 p.m.
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This guy makes the wealthy sound like parasites, they feed until the host no longer has anything to offer, then move onto to suck another host dry. I'm glad this greedy parasite is leaving Vegas. He's selling hotels and liquidating assets no telling how it affects the community or who is losing their job. I guess his lower 9-figure income just isn't keeping him as secure as it use to. Then again, with a house at 71,000 sq ft it can't be cheap to maintain.

By vegaslee
May 10, 2011
6:53 a.m.
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You can get a better insight into Mr. Eric Petersen by reviewing some of his recent past. http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/06/compl9.pld...

Not a person that we are going to cry over leaving town.

People for him now is he is well known for his "business" and he can no longer make money in Vegas. He pretty much needs to leave.

By Longtimevegan
May 10, 2011
6:55 a.m.
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@zackiebinkes and casinokid,

Your comments are righ on the mark. Las Vegas is being used by people like Eric, taking never giving back and expecting more and then complaining when they cannot get more. Eric mentioned the casinos do not make the little guy feel like the big guy. Things have changed, but the casino are still here, still changing with the times, still hiring, and still in Las Vegas. Unlike people like Eric who run because they can no longer stuck millions out of the Las Vegas housing market. People like Eric are the bottom feeders who are the main cause of the housing market problem, selling subprime mortgages to unqualified applicants.

The casino operators have not packed up and moved out, quitters like Eric and his kind, this is what they do. Maybe we do not have all the facts about Eric and people like him, what is certain, people like Eric are not good for Las Vegas. People like Eric are best to stay out of Las Vegas. Eric and his kind are only here for the good times, and now Eric is perched like a vulture as he waits for another opportunity to feast on the efforts of Casino operators and Casino workers who really are the true building blocks of Las Vegas.










Actually in the thousands of people that would get scammed there are going to be some of those people, the statistics would pretty much demand it. There is probably a father in their somewhere that had no healthcare due to a low paying job and no benefits and his child got sick and needed surgery or they would die, and that father lost $180 on a scam, did the child live, did the family rebound from their woes, did the $180 end up costing that family dearly? Was it worth a new set of rails on a Diamond table or a tank of gas in your 4th Lambo?

There are some people who would have just been stupid with money and the $180 was as good in Fatboy's pocket as theres, but there are other people that are a very different story that got caught in the trap as well and those stories are harder to swallow.

If a guy made as much money as Fatboy claims he did off of this scam then you can guarentee that there are some truly horrific stories out there about some of the people who paid for Fatboy's "success" and wealth. Stories that Fatboy probably chooses to pretend don't exist so he can sleep at night, unless he is a psycopath in which case he lacks empathy and sleeps just fine regardless of any pain he caused others. Those are the two possibilities, either you don't think about the potential pain and suffering you are causing others when doing stuff like this, or you do think about it but you just cannot bother yourself to care.
 
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