I Got Screwed!!!! Zims Rack --please read-- Michael Zimmerman

Oh, dang, I have signatures turned off so I didn't realize he was just a kid.

Travis, here is some advise. If you have a question about a rule, simply ask about it. Don't post in a rage and badmouth someone like Zimmerman. I believe you owe him an apology on here, and the next time you see him. Be a gentleman about it; we all make mistakes.
 
a good lesson

It's good to be 16 years old. I hope you will learn from this thread that you started. Apparently you were mistaken about the foul. It's ok to make such a mistake, but don't compound your mistake by making accusations or using somebody's good name in the wrong light. I agree with most everybody here; in any pool game I have ever played, you could cut an object ball so lightly that it hardly moves, and as long as your cue ball hits a rail after that, it's not a foul. Good luck to you in your future pool playing.
 
I agree on all points.

1) you were wrong
2) you owe Zimmerman a public apology with as much sincerity as your character assisnation of him
3) you owe your opponent an apology
4) take the time to read the bca rules asap, and come back here to ask questions if there is something you don't understand.
5) in the future, refrain from calling anyone or anything GAY.
6) when you do in fact, get screwed for the first time, only then come back here and start a new thread. We all want to hear about it.

And most importantly,

7) please continue playing, learning and getting better. Invite your friends to play with you. Read as much as you can too. Make your generation to be the one that saves pocket billiards.

Be a straight shooter,

Rg
 
Is it possible that the cue ball hit the rail before hitting his ball and after that nothing hit a rail? The way he wrote it I wasn't clear to me whether or not that is what he meant.

If that is the case then it is a foul. I would think anyone who has played pool for a few months (or ever played on a league) would know that the cue ball can hit a rail after contacting the object ball and it is a legal hit.
 
Legal hit.

Kid... you need to learn to control yourself. You've come across as being very immature. Apologize. You are flat out wrong.

Congratulations on the come back in the tournament.
 
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First of all congratulations for fighting through the losers bracket to the final match, way to go!

Secondly, good job for playing pool 20 hours a week at age 16, many young guys are pursuing far less productive activities.

Finally, you misunderstood the rule, it is a legal shot but that's all right, live and learn.

Everyone on this thread that came down so hard on the kid, lighten up, apparently you were all geniuses and completely level headed at age 16 huh?
 
travis92 said:
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T-man,
You owe a big apology to all that you argued with....and PLEASE stay away from that bartender that agreed with you, he is potentially dangerous to himself. SOMETHING must hit a rail after contact (even the cue ball) in every organized league/tournament I've ever heard of; and in ALL of the accepted rule books (and yes, it's a shame that there isn't one set of rules for the whole world).

Mike Zimmerman is a well-respected member of both AZB and the pool community as a whole. He is not only a fine cuemaker/craftsman; but he has spent an enormous amount of time and effort to make the Gateway pool tour a reality - providing a great opportunity for all of us to have a series of tournaments where we can compete.

I'm hopeful you will "man up" and go out of your way to find those you argued with, and express your apologies. It would be a smooth move, and would be a great step for you if your desire is to join the ranks of serious players.
 
The rules should be like this;
If the cue-ball hits an objectball, and the cue ball or the object ball hits the rail after the contact, it is a legal shot. If not, its a foul!

Please correct me if im wrong. But it is the only logical rule to follow!
 
8ball-alex said:
The rules should be like this;
If the cue-ball hits an objectball, and the cue ball or the object ball hits the rail after the contact, it is a legal shot. If not, its a foul!

Please correct me if im wrong. But it is the only logical rule to follow!
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You are correct. After contact with your ball, any ball needs to contact a rail. That ball can be ANY ball including the cue ball. The young man was a bit confused on the rules. Ahh to be 16 :thumbup:.........
 
NYC cue dude said:
I agree on all points.

1) you were wrong
2) you owe Zimmerman a public apology with as much sincerity as your character assisnation of him
3) you owe your opponent an apology
4) take the time to read the bca rules asap, and come back here to ask questions if there is something you don't understand.
5) in the future, refrain from calling anyone or anything GAY.
6) when you do in fact, get screwed for the first time, only then come back here and start a new thread. We all want to hear about it.

And most importantly,

7) please continue playing, learning and getting better. Invite your friends to play with you. Read as much as you can too. Make your generation to be the one that saves pocket billiards.

Be a straight shooter,

Rg
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You forgot point #8 -

This kid is 16 years old, so what is he doing in a bar?
 
To start I wasn't in anyway trying to bash Mike Zimmerman, I was just wanting him to reply so he could clarify the rules because its his league.
So im sorry if that offended you Mike. I don't have anything against him, and honestly Ive even been looking into him making a cue for me.

And the reason I posted this is because I got called in a previous match against this exact same guy ( Who wasn't Mike zimmerman by the way) and I ended up getting the foul called because my object ball didnt hit the rail after contact, even though the cue ball did. When I argued it then they said it was in the "league" rules which I never play so I didn't have a clue.

And secondly there all these posts about how kids don't start playing pool and why its dying, well sorry but a lot of the replies that were left is an example of why they don't. I ask a question because I felt I got the rules switched around on me, and 20 people see this as an opportunity to have fun and start bashing me. Great way to promote the sport guys!!! Makes me think twice before I sign back into here again. So maybe I'm not the one being immature, maybe its just some of you guys........

And I go to the bar because there's no where else to play besides my house, so funny I know
 
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It doesn't sound like the rules are being switched around, it sounds like alot of people in your general vicinity don't understand that particular rule. BTW, don't say a rule is gay, if you do that then we have to start making non-gay rules and then the courts get involved. :)
 
Travis, it appears you failed to mention that the rule is being enforced inconsistently in the original post, that is an issue on their part....also, not likely in your best interest to call out a third party, namely Mike, that wasn't there - typically best to leave peoples names out of titles, it's a quick way to get on the wrong side of folks....

As mentioned, contact with a ball, and then either to a rail, is just fine....you were just unaware of the rules, and it sounds like you were inappropriately called on that same issue earlier in the night, so I can see the confusion....

Congrats on the high finish.....I used to sneak into bars at 16 in order to play.....just make sure to do well in school.....as a whole, pool doesn't pay very well, and not getting a college degree can put up barriers to success.....it's ok to play hard, just make sure to study hard....
 
Travis maybe the problem is that you failed to say if the ball contacted a rail after the cueball and object ball had contact. "What we have here is a failure to communicate". (From Cool Hand Luke)
 
travis92 said:
To start I wasn't in anyway trying to bash Mike Zimmerman, I was just wanting him to reply so he could clarify the rules because its his league.
So im sorry if that offended you Mike. I don't have anything against him, and honestly Ive even been looking into him making a cue for me.

And the reason I posted this is because I got called in a previous match against this exact same guy ( Who wasn't Mike zimmerman by the way) and I ended up getting the foul called because my object ball didnt hit the rail after contact, even though the cue ball did. When I argued it then they said it was in the "league" rules which I never play so I didn't have a clue.

And secondly there all these posts about how kids don't start playing pool and why its dying, well sorry but a lot of the replies that were left is an example of why they don't. I ask a question because I felt I got the rules switched around on me, and 20 people see this as an opportunity to have fun and start bashing me. Great way to promote the sport guys!!! Makes me think twice before I sign back into here again. So maybe I'm not the one being immature, maybe its just some of you guys........

And I go to the bar because there's no where else to play besides my house, so funny I know
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Travis, might be time to think about growing some skin. Hanging around in pool halls isn't the place to be if you cant take a few jabs from others. After reading the 15 or so sentences you pieced together in your first post I noticed that only one ended in a question mark. Most of the sentences that preceded the one question seemed an awful lot like the bashing of a Tournament Director and his tournament to me. Sometimes its better to listen to those that might be a little older and have a few more years experience when it comes to the wonderful game of pocket billiards (sorting the bs from the non bs is the hard part) that's how I learned. Or you could just buy a rule book. Congratulations on your high finish and coming back from the losers side to make it to the finals. At your young age there are sure to be many more for you.

Nate
 
travis92 said:
To start I wasn't in anyway trying to bash Mike Zimmerman, I was just wanting him to reply so he could clarify the rules because its his league.
So im sorry if that offended you Mike. I don't have anything against him, and honestly Ive even been looking into him making a cue for me.

And the reason I posted this is because I got called in a previous match against this exact same guy ( Who wasn't Mike zimmerman by the way) and I ended up getting the foul called because my object ball didnt hit the rail after contact, even though the cue ball did. When I argued it then they said it was in the "league" rules which I never play so I didn't have a clue.

And secondly there all these posts about how kids don't start playing pool and why its dying, well sorry but a lot of the replies that were left is an example of why they don't. I ask a question because I felt I got the rules switched around on me, and 20 people see this as an opportunity to have fun and start bashing me. Great way to promote the sport guys!!! Makes me think twice before I sign back into here again. So maybe I'm not the one being immature, maybe its just some of you guys........

And I go to the bar because there's no where else to play besides my house, so funny I know
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I'd take a few days off if I were you.... and then quit.
 
No sweat!

Travis,

You got lit up pretty bad on here today, but don't let it hamper your desire to play the game man. Here's a link to the BCA rulebook that I think could answer just about any rules questions you may be wonderin' about.

http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx

Hey, keep on learning and keep on progressing. Once you know enough to have "the one up" on your opponents then your allready miles ahead of the game so don't sweat it! Just don't give up...EVER!
 
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