I miss Tar matches.....

Fast Lenny said:
I am not saying Bonus Ball didn't create some havoc in the pro side of the industry which is an utter joke and has been for a very long time but I find it funny its blamed for Tunicas demise. Here is a thread with people who went there and are recovering still from malaria. :p

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=338317&highlight=mosquito

As for your statement on TAR it is very true from what I saw and I applaud the effort. I see nothing wrong with a challenge match and it was advertised as such. I enjoyed many of them and realize the trouble with setting up a gambling match. Really the only way to make it happen with stakehorses would be contracts and non refundable post money and penalties.
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I know for a fact that when some players left Tunica after Badi's event and didnt play in Greg's that really hurt him on a personal level. It was a huge deal to him even if it was only a couple of guys. That said if Tunica would of been making money and made sense for Caesars and Diamond I think it would of survived.

Its possible Greg decided the juice wasnt worth the squeeze to try and make it work if it wasnt going to get the support. I don't really know. I do think BB takes too much heat for somethings but I also KNOW it did have a big affect on pool during that time frame and it wasn't a positive one. If you look at pool before and after BB you can see a marked difference. Maybe that would of happened anyway I don't know but it did happen.

End of the day BB was just a force in the market that had to be dealt with. Blaming things on it doesnt really make any difference to me.
 
Fast Lenny said:
Really the only way to make it happen with stakehorses would be contracts and non refundable post money and penalties.
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That and my point on the stakehorses was now you had to coordinate schedules not only between two players but also a few stakehorses as well, to all be in the same place at the same time.

I'm sure you have seen some of JCIN work on Facebook/YouTube and even though TAR is dormant, he is getting better. That makes me want to see what he could do now with a presentation of pool as he is doing in other entities.
 
Fast Lenny said:
Here is a thread with people who went there and are recovering still from malaria. :p

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=338317&highlight=mosquito
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Pool players don't know what day it is most of the time, let alone read reports prior to travel about possible mosquito outbreaks. I could see how a Year 2 would have been effected by a Year 1 mosquito issue. But Year 1 failed so it never went beyond that.

It's a shame because I do believe Greg that if Tunica would have been successful, it would have been repeated yearly in other regions of the country at other casino properties. I know many are against the mix of casinos and pool but not many places are going to allow the influx of 1000 pool players/fans for 7-10 days. Sad but the negativity connotation is still there.
 
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watchez said:
That and my point on the stakehorses was now you had to coordinate schedules not only between two players but also a few stakehorses as well, to all be in the same place at the same time.

I'm sure you have seen some of JCIN work on Facebook/YouTube and even though TAR is dormant, he is getting better. That makes me want to see what he could do now with a presentation of pool as he is doing in other entities.
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I think Justin certainly can deliver a better product then he did previously without question. Technology has made it so easy for anyone to stream something decent now. I look at Justin and Chad with TAR as innovators who contributed something really great to the sport to help it grow and generate interest. I feel they gave much more then they took and not many people can say it in the kill or be killed industry of pool. Its okay to love the game and want to give back but you gotta eat and live too, I realized this after many years of giving and giving without anything monetarily in return.
 
watchez said:
Pool players don't know what day it is most of the time, let alone read reports prior to travel about possible mosquito outbreaks. I could see how a Year 2 would have been effected by a Year 1 mosquito issue. But Year 1 failed so it never went beyond that.

It's a shame because I do believe Greg that if Tunica would have been successful, it would have been repeated yearly in other regions of the country at other casino properties. I know many are against the mix of casinos and pool but not many places are going to allow the influx of 1000 pool players/fans for 7-10 days. Sad but the negativity connotation is still there.
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I just think it was a poor location really but so is the DCC location. People go because we are talking about hundreds of diehards who take a pool vacation and support the event. The location has nothing great going for it besides being close to where its practical to move all the tables into it so I understand Greg needing it to be nearby.

Not sure if Diamond could set up something like DCC in Vegas and make it work or not with maybe having the tables stored there as sort of a west coast distribution center to speed up deliveries and sales of Diamond tables as there is a demand for them. I just know the current location sucks and I felt like I was in a trap being there with the crappy and limited food selection, nasty weather and the casino should provide transport for guest to get to the casino from the airport. Lots of room for improvement for sure.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I just think it was a poor location really but so is the DCC location. People go because we are talking about hundreds of diehards who take a pool vacation and support the event. The location has nothing great going for it besides being close to where its practical to move all the tables into it so I understand Greg needing it to be nearby.

Not sure if Diamond could set up something like DCC in Vegas and make it work or not with maybe having the tables stored there as sort of a west coast distribution center to speed up deliveries and sales of Diamond tables as there is a demand for them. I just know the current location sucks and I felt like I was in a trap being there with the crappy and limited food selection, nasty weather and the casino should provide transport for guest to get to the casino from the airport. Lots of room for improvement for sure.
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I was approached by a different casino group with better locations than what Greg has access to for my deal - I just couldn't give them enough bang for the buck. But it is out there if you look for it. I remember being told over and over, there is no place in Vega$ that will house the BCAPL besides the p.o.s. Riviera --- well seems like the Rio was there all along for the taking.

Okay - enough of a decap.

When is the next TAR match? :D Brandon Shuff wants to play Oscar out in Vega$
 
watchez said:
I was approached by a different casino group with better locations than what Greg has access to for my deal - I just couldn't give them enough bang for the buck. But it is out there if you look for it. I remember being told over and over, there is no place in Vega$ that will house the BCAPL besides the p.o.s. Riviera --- well seems like the Rio was there all along for the taking.

Okay - enough of a decap.

When is the next TAR match? :D Brandon Shuff wants to play Oscar out in Vega$
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My money is on Oscar, haha. :smile:
 
I think if we all gang up on JCIN we can make him bring TAR back. He's a pretty big guy but he can't take all of us:cool:
 
Mark Griffin said:
Justin did a very good job in getting top of the line match ups. But we still had the complainers and the crap.
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The best run businesses in the world with the absolutely most amazing products imaginable always have a few people who will still find something to ***** about. Go to Tripadvisor and look at the most highly rated restaurants on the planet, the best resorts, the best tour companies. They will have hundreds or thousands of reviews and 4.9/5+ ratings and yet, you can click on the button that shows the lowest reviews and see the small fraction of 1/5 star reviews where people just find something to ***** about.

The AZB community and TAR are basically like that, TAR had a 4.9/5+ rating and the vast majority of us simply loved the product and gave it props and bought its product whenever we could.

The reality is, if 99% of the people are supporting you and you are hugely well respected and the vast majority say you are the best at what you do, who gives a crap what the 0.1% say? Who gives a crap about the 0.1/5 that is missing?

It is somewhat ironic that you constantly state things like the above Mark, in effect you are doing exactly what those few negative people who make those negative reviews do. AZB is an awesome community that gave TAR a huge amount of support and the vast majority of us had almost nothing but great things to say about it. You see one or two negative posts in a swarm of positive posts and reviews, and you choose to focus on those and therefore review the whole AZB forum and community as pool poison...
 
JAM said:
At least I'm not a bully.
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I would say you do actually resemble a forum bully fairly well, you pick fights, snipe at people and get in arguments, and excel at a passive aggressive posting style. Then when things don't go quite go your way because you picked a fight/argument it looks like you might not win you run behind the teacher (moderators) for protection trying to get the people you picked the fight with in trouble...
 
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Celtic said:
I would say you do actually resemble a forum bully fairly well, you pick fights, snipe at people and get in arguments, and excel at a passive aggressive posting style. Then when things don't go quite go your way because you picked a fight/argument it looks like you might not win you run behind the teacher (moderators) for protection trying to get the people you picked the fight with in trouble...
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And you enjoy such a sterling reputation on this forum, don't you, Celtic?
 
Celtic said:
The AZB community and TAR are basically like that, TAR had a 4.9/5+ rating and the vast majority of us simply loved the product and gave it props and bought its product whenever we could.
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The only reason TAR ever made it beyond two fat guys talking on the telephone was this place. It had its ups and downs like everything else but without AZ and all of the support from members and staff nothing would of ever happened.
 
Important stuff

JCIN,
Who made your 14" suppressed AR and is that a Aim Point Micro T sitting on top?
I am easily distracted!
 
Celtic said:
The best run businesses in the world with the absolutely most amazing products imaginable always have a few people who will still find something to ***** about. Go to Tripadvisor and look at the most highly rated restaurants on the planet, the best resorts, the best tour companies. They will have hundreds or thousands of reviews and 4.9/5+ ratings and yet, you can click on the button that shows the lowest reviews and see the small fraction of 1/5 star reviews where people just find something to ***** about.

The AZB community and TAR are basically like that, TAR had a 4.9/5+ rating and the vast majority of us simply loved the product and gave it props and bought its product whenever we could.

The reality is, if 99% of the people are supporting you and you are hugely well respected and the vast majority say you are the best at what you do, who gives a crap what the 0.1% say? Who gives a crap about the 0.1/5 that is missing?

It is somewhat ironic that you constantly state things like the above Mark, in effect you are doing exactly what those few negative people who make those negative reviews do. AZB is an awesome community that gave TAR a huge amount of support and the vast majority of us had almost nothing but great things to say about it. You see one or two negative posts in a swarm of positive posts and reviews, and you choose to focus on those and therefore review the whole AZB forum and community as pool poison...
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Excellent post. I agree on everything. From what I've seen, TAR was more supported on here than basically any other pool venture I've seen. I bought a couple of matches (once they started the full day loop thing) and enjoyed dipping in and out.

And I may be in the minority, but I enjoyed the newer, TAR studio challenge match format more than the old one. When you have a finite time to watch something, it's nicer to see a race to 21 in its entirety than have to dip in and out of a race to 100. And speaking personally, I don't much care if somebody is gambling on a match. I don't not watch the world snooker championships because Ronnie isn't betting his own.

The studio podcasts before the matches were always worth watching as well.

Saying all that, I think it's kind of clear that the market just isn't/wasn't there. TAR was about as good a product as I've seen in terms of pool, and if that wasn't viable (with what I assume were reasonable overheads - in terms of sensible decision making by the guys involved) then I don't know what is - unless you change the game on a fundamental level, obviously.

Celtic said:
I would say you do actually resemble a forum bully fairly well, you pick fights, snipe at people and get in arguments, and excel at a passive aggressive posting style. Then when things don't go quite go your way because you picked a fight/argument it looks like you might not win you run behind the teacher (moderators) for protection trying to get the people you picked the fight with in trouble...
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I was just about to type something along these lines :wink:.
 
miss TAR matches

I do, too.

What you always got from TAR was a good product with an honest effort, and usually a lot of good humor along the way. :thumbup:

best,
brian kc
 
JAM said:
And you enjoy such a sterling reputation on this forum, don't you, Celtic?
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Unlike you Jam I am comfortable in my own skin.

You pick fights, start arguments, attack people, and when things go south you somehow seem to think you are some sort of innocent angelic angel in the whole affair and people just like to pick on you. You play the victim card at the drop of the hat, and years ago people might have bought into it, nowadays most people know you for what you really are as you are a girl who cried wolf quite a few to many times. How many times have you started an argument and attacked people, get to much heat in the exchange, then have the "woe is me, this place is terrible, the forum is out to get me!" post and take a siesta? Then you come back like some born again saint, and you do the same stuff within a week.

That will be the last post I will make on it, all I think about you is said pretty clearly above, you can get your last word/snipe in now Jam.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Come on guys, let's at least admit that Bonus Ball was one of the WORST ideas ever.
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The game was good if you are a pool nut but for the masses lets just stick with 8 ball. I can't say it was the worse and realized that some of the things that were done made sense and others were just bad ideas. I would say what was wrong besides using the game of Bonus Ball were the jerseys and not giving more cooperation to others in the industry. The positives were video production but my opinion was a bit biased along with a permanent quality arena, team aspect works and is fun to watch and of course the scoreboard makes total sense.
 
I still have no idea why Bonus Ball didn't just promote a huge open BB tournament. If they really wanted to get people playing the game that was the way to do it.
 
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